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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    I went over some parts of the review (it's very extensive) and found out that they advise to keep the noise reduction off while shooting under iso 800.

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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    Rafa...
    I think that in raw, it doesn't matter anyway....or does it?

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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    I found that turning noise reduction off really helps with sharpness. I shoot primarily super fine JPG.

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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    They gave it a '9' in image quality, I don't recall them ever giving any camera that high a score!

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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    hi lili,
    it is very rare. they did give the dp1 a nine and flunked it in every other department. this is a very good sign for the ep1.
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    ps. reading a bit more of their conclusion, it doesn't seem like a camera for a neophyte. more like for don, people who've had a lot of experience with cameras.

    ps. here's the comparison with the dp2: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/OlympusEP1/page27.asp i think it will be a surprise for some!
    Last edited by smokysun; 29th July 2009 at 12:31.

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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    Quote Originally Posted by smokysun View Post
    hi lili,
    it is very rare. they did give the dp1 a nine and flunked it in every other department. this is a very good sign for the ep1.
    wayne
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    ps. reading a bit more of their conclusion, it doesn't seem like a camera for a neophyte. more like for don, people who've had a lot of experience with cameras.
    I have NR off no matter what. I like the noise it makes at high iso.

    It works fine as a p&s. The only issue with "experience" is that I think it requires a few setting changes out of the box. But with the 17mm pancake it focuses plenty fast and exposes correctly. The menus aren't totally intuitive but you don't need to go there unless you want to.

    It is what it is. The iq is much better than a small sensor camera, but not as good as a good APS-C dSLR. The handling is somewhat unique (p&s with a different interface and interchangeable lenses) and the vibe is strong. Certainly not for everyone, but very enticing to some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    They gave it a '9' in image quality, I don't recall them ever giving any camera that high a score!
    Not common, but the Canon 5D2 and the Nikon D3X are 9.5 -- as they ought to be.
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    David Pogue's article about the EP-1 in the NY Times, entitled "Instant Love, Followed by Letdown," is more of a gut reaction to the camera.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/te...ogue.html?8dpc

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    That NY times review is clear. But if you are spending this sort of money and choosing this sort of camera then the flash and VF compromises should have been taken account for. Especially the flash. End of the day all cameras are compromises. Depending on how well focused the manufacturer is to fulfilling the objectives makes or breaks the camera.

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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    They gave it a '9' in image quality, I don't recall them ever giving any camera that high a score!
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    Not common, but the Canon 5D2 and the Nikon D3X are 9.5 -- as they ought to be.
    They also gave the Nikon 990 a '9' years ago. Their scoring system seems a bit odd -- I can't work out any obvious relationship. [A bit like nowadays when no cameras seem to be 'below average']
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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    They also gave the Nikon 990 a '9' years ago. Their scoring system seems a bit odd -- I can't work out any obvious relationship. [A bit like nowadays when no cameras seem to be 'below average']
    The ratings are based on what is currently on the market today. So a camera that got a 9 back then would not get the same rating today. Also, the reason generally stated for not a lot of bad reviews is also selectivity in what they review. Generally they don't touch the dud cameras and I think most of the dslrs launched do a great job the nuances come out in the writing.

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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    It's funny to me that reviewers compare the camera to
    Dslr's. That's absurd. It wins against every camera in it's class even
    if for 1 reason....interchangable lens mount.
    This single feature blows the competition away.

    Then if you compare feature against feature, it fares well
    against it's competetors.

    Remember the Oly software sucks and most users will switch to
    jpegs untill Adobe gets on board. Because of this, we are not
    really seeing what the camera can really do.....

    I always wondered how independant the reviewers really are.
    I would take it all with a grain of salt........
    The camera is having a very pronounced effect at this time and I
    expect that to grow as the dust settles and when ACR is updated.....
    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    The ratings are based on what is currently on the market today. So a camera that got a 9 back then would not get the same rating today. Also, the reason generally stated for not a lot of bad reviews is also selectivity in what they review. Generally they don't touch the dud cameras and I think most of the dslrs launched do a great job the nuances come out in the writing.
    Fair point, but I'm never quite sure if they rate all cameras together at any time, or whether '9' for the E-P1 is a comparison with others in its class -- if it has any competitors that is. Is it relative or absolute?

    BTW, the german photo mags are much worse -- they give ratings to two places of decimals -- not just on objective things, but on some that are quite subjective -- very detailed etc, more light entertainment than anything to base a judgment on.
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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    David Pogue again shows the incredible shallow depth on his knowledge pool. I hope no one gets killed diving in head first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    David Pogue again shows the incredible shallow depth on his knowledge pool. I hope no one gets killed diving in head first...
    So I take it, that he's not a great resource for you.....hmmm can't imagine why...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    So I take it, that he's not a great resource for you.....hmmm can't imagine why...
    Yeah, go figure. Maybe it is comments like this:

    "Far too many pictures come out blurry, because the sensor inside is so tiny."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    Yeah, go figure. Maybe it is comments like this:

    "Far too many pictures come out blurry, because the sensor inside is so tiny."
    Oh geeze...all this time I thought the light beams were slow and that created the blurrrrrr...hmm never realized it was "The Sensor Problem".....

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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    Pogue is a tech reporter and commentator -- more of a "gadgeteer" than a photographer. And his NY Times audience is not what you'd find on dpreview or another photo site, though there's some overlap I suppose.

    I want a camera like this -- bigger sensor than a compact, interchangeable lenses, size comparable (in some ways) to a compact, extensive manual control, etc.

    But I'm not sure at this point that I want this camera.

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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    some more for the ISO performance and sample photos:

    http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/r...03_306415.html

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    Re: ep1 in depth review just posted

    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    They gave it a '9' in image quality, I don't recall them ever giving any camera that high a score!
    It's now 8.5...Hmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    It's now 8.5...Hmm
    It's not their fault the sensor suddenly mutated from 9 to 8.5 .

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