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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Actually what is interesting is the S90 has the faster lens.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Pity about the slow lens, but apart from that, the G11 looks like a very interesting proposition. If the lower MP count has really resulted in better image quality (clean ISO 400 and usable 800), this is a winner. And the articulated LCD is back. Great!

    My guess regarding the slower lens is:

    - Easier to do with the shorter zoom of the S90
    - G11 is partly aimed towards the pro journalist market. Making a faster lens as sharp as the f/2.8 would probably be more difficult, and they would end up with a much larger lens.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Pity about the slow lens
    That problem will be solved on Sept. 9 when the same camera comes out with an f/2-2.4 lens, a red dot, and "Leica M9" engraved on the top.

    Oh, yeah, and a 10x higher price tag.








    [Couldn't resist trying to dump a little gasoline on the rumor flames...]

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Here is another leak that I found about the G11:


    Canon swaps the G10’s 14.7mpx sensor for a 10mpx CCD for improved quality and low light performance. And, yes!, the flip out screen which we last saw on the G6 is now back.



    Canon PowerShot G11 Digital Camera
    The PowerShot G-series has long been the flagship of the PowerShot line. The new Canon PowerShot G11 Digital Camera further adds to the legacy of this award-winning series with its advanced features, variety of shooting modes and compatible EOS accessories which help to enhance one’s photographic creativity. Designed for those looking for a pocket-sized camera with SLR functionality, this new powerful camera is ideal for the consumer who is looking to capture beautiful landscapes and professional portraits by offering:
    • A 10.0-Megapixel High Sensitivity System to capture images with a powerful 5x Optical Zoom lens with Optical Image Stabilization. Additionally, a 28mm (equivalent to 28-140 mm) wide-angle lens helps to get large groups into one shot at events such as a family reunion.
    • A 2.8-inch vari-angle PureColor System LCD, new to the G-series, allowing for easier on-camera previewing and reviewing of images from nearly every angle, while still incorporating the optical viewfinder found on previous models.
    • Easy access to heavily used functions with two mode dials for adjusting ISO and exposure compensation, and a full range of shooting and recording modes, including RAW + JPEG for ultimate creative control when editing images.
    • A host of optional accessories, including Speedlite flashes, an underwater housing and a tele-converter lens to provide further photographic flexibility.

    Scheduled to be available in October, the PowerShot G11 Digital Camera retails for an estimated price of $499.99.


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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    For S90, it's quite disappointed that the macro is only 5cm. And the movie mode is still 640x480.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Here are a couple of images of the G11:



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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    I fail to see the attraction of the G7-11 cameras, I mean they have a long zoom and look quite nice but are huge for small sensor cameras, mostly this is due to the completely pointless and useless OVF on there. At that size I'd take a EP1 or the upcoming GF1 anytime over it. A LX3, GX200 or now the S90 are smaller and much better if someone needs a zoom.
    The older G cameras at least has a very fast lens but a f2.8 lens is hardly exciting even if it zooms to 140mm, might as well get a TZ4 which goes from 24-280mm and have a smaller camera with better zoom.

    I like the S90 though, the lens ring sounds great and I like that they have copied the step zoom from the Ricoh cameras, shame it is designed like a soapbox without any handgrip.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    The G11 may be big, but in regards to the Panny GF or the Oly EP-1, once one adds a lens of similar range both are going to be much more bulky. Honestly I think there is room in the market for both. The G10 got tremendously high scores for its lens. The overpacked sensor let it down in some situations. In Fact DPR speculated how good it might have been with the LX3 sensor behind this awesome lens.
    Looks like Canon listened!
    Both camera are of great interest to me, I LOVE that manual ring on the S90.
    And I DO feel the G11 may be a winner here; at far less cost that the elusive LX3K!

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    Lili, I am surprised to hear that the G10 got high marks for it's lens. While it is probably better than the fish-eye LX3 lens, I did see quite a high ammount of fringing and soft corners in pictures people posted from it and it seems to lack contrast.
    You are right taht there is room for both but to me if a small sensor camera is not compact to fit in a jacket pocket and you have to carry a bag for it, you might as well get the real thing and go for a better camera with larger sensor.

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    Yes, I had forgotten the CA at the wide end. I was basically recalling the very very high resolution the camera prodcued for DPR. "At base ISO and in high contrast conditions, this is the highest resolving compact we have ever tested".
    But I do agree, I went with my Oly e410 and the 25mm pancake over the G10; it is a touch bigger and heavier with but one focal length. But it is far faster in operation and has a much better OVF
    BTW I am on a new project; e410 and Pancake lens only for an indefinite period.
    And the DP-1 is dropping in price even more; should it reach my trigger-point...
    ALso, that S90 does look yummy too...fast lens, tiny size, OIS, Canon LCD...oh my!!!
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    G11 seems like a bit of a milestone among digicams, in that Canon actually chose to reduce pixel count. Is the megapixel race now officially over for compacts?

    Press release claims 2 stops improvement over G10... this sounds promising. Not too many weak spots left, if it does indeed deliver on raw IQ. Oh... the optical finder, did they fix it so it's usable? I feel that optical finder is a must, due to my limited close-range eyesight.
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    I have the G7 and I find the viewfinder weak but a lot better than nothing. I wouldn't buy a camera without a eyelevel viewfinder. It is also much smaller than something like an Ep1. With the lens retracted it is a smooth rectangular brick than can easily fit in a pocket. The EP1 whilst stylish, is basically a slimmer version of the e410/430 body without the flash bump. With a zoom mounted it is more SLR than compact.




    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirV View Post
    Lili, I am surprised to hear that the G10 got high marks for it's lens. While it is probably better than the fish-eye LX3 lens, I did see quite a high ammount of fringing and soft corners in pictures people posted from it and it seems to lack contrast.
    You are right taht there is room for both but to me if a small sensor camera is not compact to fit in a jacket pocket and you have to carry a bag for it, you might as well get the real thing and go for a better camera with larger sensor.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    The DP1 will make the Canon G cameras seem like a D3.

    With my Sandisk extreme card, it takes around 7 secs after shooting a pic before the camera will respond to the controls again. Perhaps not an issue for those used to big medium format film cameras but when you are waiting to check the histogram it seems an eternity ;-)



    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    Yes, I had forgotten the CA at the wide end. I was basically recalling the very very high resolution the camera prodcued for DPR. "At base ISO and in high contrast conditions, this is the highest resolving compact we have ever tested".
    But I do agree, I went with my Oly e410 and the 25mm pancake over the G10; it is a touch bigger and heavier with but one focal length. But it is far faster in operation and has a much better OVF
    BTW I am on a new project; e410 and Pancake lens only for an indefinite period.
    And the DP-1 is dropping in price even more; should it reach my trigger-point...
    ALso, that S90 does look yummy too...fast lens, tiny size, OIS, Canon LCD...oh my!!!

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by davemillier View Post
    The DP1 will make the Canon G cameras seem like a D3.

    With my Sandisk extreme card, it takes around 7 secs after shooting a pic before the camera will respond to the controls again. Perhaps not an issue for those used to big medium format film cameras but when you are waiting to check the histogram it seems an eternity ;-)
    As far as I recall the G9 I owned for a while last year was much more responsive. We'll know about the G11 speed when the reviews hit.
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    I am keeping my eye on how the G11 works out. I had thought about an EP-1 or the rumoured GF1, but I doubt either will be supported by Aperture and the G11 surely will (eventually). It ticks the boxes for me, 2.8 Zoom, OVF, flash, OIS, 10Mp, articulated LCD, built-in ND filter - I don't care about video they could remove it altogether.
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    With a recommended retail price of $499 in the US, but an incredible £569 in the UK (equivalent to about $940) - meaning we in the UK will be paying nearly double the US price (only a small proportion of which is likely to be duty/tax), I have to assume the UK version comes encrusted with precious jewels, but oddly there is no mention of what kind in the press release.

    So, no thanks, Canon can stuff their G10

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quentin that puts a different complexion on it for me also. Hmmm I may import one or wait until the street price becomes sensible.

    I note the current G10 RRP is also £569 and street price is about £345.
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Could just be clever marketing. If the street price is a lot lower, then the perceived saving is greater...

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Does the s90 need a lens cap?

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by davemillier View Post
    The DP1 will make the Canon G cameras seem like a D3.

    With my Sandisk extreme card, it takes around 7 secs after shooting a pic before the camera will respond to the controls again. Perhaps not an issue for those used to big medium format film cameras but when you are waiting to check the histogram it seems an eternity ;-)
    Or you could take my approach... I've never checked a histogram in my life.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirV View Post
    I like the S90 though, the lens ring sounds great and I like that they have copied the step zoom from the Ricoh cameras, shame it is designed like a soapbox without any handgrip.
    I would be very surprised if Richard Franiec doesn't create a grip for it... that was my first thought when I saw the S90.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Interestingly, the G11 has made a headline in the most important Norwegian newspaper: "Lower resolution, better image quality". Headlines like that may contribute to a complete stop in the megapixel race among compact cameras. Most people don't have a clue about how many megapixels they need, but they do want high image quality. Very interesting development.

    I think I will buy a compact again

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Ellis View Post
    Or you could take my approach... I've never checked a histogram in my life.

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    Ah, good... I thought I was the only one

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    Does the s90 need a lens cap?
    It's shuttered... no lens cap... making it even cooler.

    Go to this thread and follow the directions in the fourth message... after you click that second link he mentions, then scroll to the bottom of the page and you'll see it closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Could just be clever marketing. If the street price is a lot lower, then the perceived saving is greater...

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    My decision will be made by comparing the features & actual price of the G11 in the shop against those of other cameras of a similar nature, not the RRP.

    I note that most manufacturers have an RRP higher than street price, once the initial early adopters have been gouged.

    It is however a valid complaint that the UK RRP is almost twice the USA price.
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    The S90 is more and more entrancing.
    I Really like the concept

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    £450 preorder at warehouse express. Why give Canon UK the money to gouge you when you can import, pay the VAT, all legal, and pay a fraction of the price?
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Ben, I can't see that price on WEX - It shows £569. - Have you a link?

    http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-...amera/p1033069
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    HI David
    £449 is for the S90 sheesh! $429 . . . . erm £258 . . . that's nearly half the price!!
    talk about robbed! (looks nice though), oops. supposed to be resting

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI David
    £449 is for the S90 sheesh! $429 . . . . erm £258 . . . that's nearly half the price!!
    talk about robbed! (looks nice though), oops. supposed to be resting
    Who is this man Does anybody know him

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    £450 preorder at warehouse express. Why give Canon UK the money to gouge you when you can import, pay the VAT, all legal, and pay a fraction of the price?
    Exactly - which is the same aproach I have taken to Adobe products where you'd have to be a numpty to pay UK / European prices.

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    Mr. Slack, this is a camera forum. You're supposed to get robbed. The trick is to make yourself believe that it's all for the better
    First I get lectured

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Exactly - which is the same aproach I have taken to Adobe products where you'd have to be a numpty to pay UK / European prices.

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    HI David
    £449 is for the S90 sheesh! $429 . . . . erm £258 . . . that's nearly half the price!!
    talk about robbed! (looks nice though), oops. supposed to be resting
    Ah - sorry missed that the thread was also covering the S90 as well. I was so focussed on the G11 I missed that.

    I am always looking for something like my old 35mm compact film Pentax Zoom 70.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    10 megapixels with a CCD sensor, hmmmmmm.
    I wonder if it has or needs an AA filter, and if it has one, how strong is it?
    Seems Canon is paying more attention to IQ than megapixels.
    Perhaps feeling the IQ heat from 4/3 and M4/3?

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Ah - sorry missed that the thread was also covering the S90 as well. I was so focussed on the G11 I missed that.

    I am always looking for something like my old 35mm compact film Pentax Zoom 70.

    You need some very strong binoculars to find something even remotely resembling that one, I'm afraid.

    But... it does strikes me that the old Pentax seems to have a real viewfinder that can actually be used for composing photos. Wouldn't it be nice if there was at least one digicam available that had something similar, with, let's say, at least 90% coverage... please?

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Wouldn't it be nice if there was at least one digicam available that had something similar, with, let's say, at least 90% coverage... please?
    YES. Exactly. A back LCD is NOT the answer for all composing/focusing needs.
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Before I purchased my first DSLR D80, I used to take pic with my canon S30 and S70. I'm very satisfied with these 2 compacts' quality except there is soft corner problem.

    Last year, I bought another compact which is GRD2. The lens, control, the feel of holding are all perfect. Just I'm not quite satisfied with the pic quality especially when taking people in color. Also for the very poor movie quality. You know, it's quite useful for the movie ability when you're travelling. Anyways, it's enjoyable when using it.

    On and off, I start missing my old S70, wondering if there are new models. Now there it is. But the movie mode is just 640x480 and the macro is just 5cm.

    Looks like canon's compact can catch up with like panasonic LX3. Or Canon won't like to provide all the good at one time??


    BTW, there are limited edition case for both G11 and S90:
    http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/powersho...sp-option.html
    http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/powersho...sp-option.html
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    The S90 is more and more entrancing.
    I Really like the concept
    I agree. This could be a nice true pock camera.
    I think that digital photography has reached a point where unless there's a real breakthrough sensor wise we won't be seeing any drastic changes in IQ in any future models. Fujifilm and Sigma are on the right path, but they still have to up their games...Fujifilm has to keep working on the great concept that their sensor represents and Sigma has to start checking out the competition and visiting forums to see that their DP series can be much MUCH more (show up with a responsive DP3 with a lens mount and it will probably be the most sold compact ever).

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    After having fondled a G10 and a G9 today, I have realized the S90 is far more likely to suit me.
    Yessssss My Preciousssssss, yes it does.
    Here waiting till it hits the shelves of Amazon!!!

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    outlook of G11, also has a comparison with G10, E-P1 and DP1. Outlook only.

    http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/r...24_310026.html

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by MHC View Post
    outlook of G11, also has a comparison with G10, E-P1 and DP1. Outlook only.

    http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/r...24_310026.html
    If only it had a bigger sensor - the body is larger than the E-P1.

    I do like all the manual dials though - looks like a very nice camera to use. And no lens cap, along with a relatively flat retracted lens...very nice.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Ken Rockwell's hands on review of S90

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/s90.htm

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    I am curious how it will compare to the Panasonic LX-3/Leica DLUX4. The G11 has a better zoom range but the LX-3 has the faster and wider angle lens with less zoom. The G10 image quality was a bit better at the low isos (perhaps due to the higher resolution) but not so at the higher isos. It will be interesting to see how they compare now that the sensor is 10megapixel (which I applaud).

    I really used to hate the fact that the LX-3 did not have a viewfinder but I have gotten more used to it over time.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Interesting to note: While the S90 has a stop brighter lens on the wide end, the G11 has quite an advantage on the long end where it matters more. f/4.5 at 140 mm likely means close to f/4.0 at 105mm where the S/90 is f.4.9.
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    Interesting to note: While the S90 has a stop brighter lens on the wide end, the G11 has quite an advantage on the long end where it matters more. f/4.5 at 140 mm likely means close to f/4.0 at 105mm where the S/90 is f.4.9.
    Good point.

    The G11 reminds me a lot of the Olympus 7070, a camera that I really liked.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Richard does have a grip for the S90; see here:

    http://www.kleptography.com/rf/#camera_s90

    I am really enjoying the S90 (minus grip, but with sticky-rubber stuff to hold RH fingers in place); it has the best thought-out UI I have ever used in a small camera, so far.

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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Had the S90, took it back after a day. The barrel distortion at full wide was way too much considering the cost of this camera. Nice design though, the colour was good and the lens was fairly sharp for what it is...

    I ended getting another LX3 for my pocket camera.
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    Re: Canon Powershot G11 and S90

    Neil, that may have been premature, if I can offer comment: the supplied DPP software corrects that distortion extremely well, as it does for the G11, too. cheers, kl
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