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    Talking Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

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    I guess we will know on November 18.
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Now, if it uses A-mount lenses, I'll be intrigued.

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    I'm sure it would, via adapter, but what's the point? The main attraction of such system would be small size. I don't want to imagine how would the ZA 135 look like mounted on such camera
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    I want one - with the EXMOR-R sensor.

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    I'm sure it would, via adapter, but what's the point? The main attraction of such system would be small size. I don't want to imagine how would the ZA 135 look like mounted on such camera
    Exactly. And of course, it wouldn't meet the 4/3 standard if it wasn't interchangeable with 4/3 lenses.

    Which is another reason why I don't find 4/3 that useful. As soon as you put a big lens on it, it's not small anymore.

    That, and I can't get one with IBIS and flash together.

    Oh well, my A700 will suffice

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Well, the rumours site has been updated, and now it is not clear that the new Sony will be a micro 4/3rd camera. They claim it will be a strong competitor to the GH1 but the sensor can very well be Aps-C size.

    This is great news for me, because this camera with a 35 to 50 FF equivalent Zeiss lens can become my permanent companion.
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    Well, the rumours site has been updated, and now it is not clear that the new Sony will be a micro 4/3rd camera. They claim it will be a strong competitor to the GH1 but the sensor can very well be Aps-C size.

    This is great news for me, because this camera with a 35 to 50 FF equivalent Zeiss lens can become my permanent companion.
    Me too!! A small Sony with a 50mm equivalent Zeiss would really be perfect for me. I hope these rumors are true.

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Count me in as well!
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Can one of you comment on why this sensor might be better than what we have in the GF1?

    Cheers,

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    If the sensor is indeed an Exmor-R type sensor, it will support very clean high ISO (12,800 is the number I have heard bandied about) due to the sensor back illumination design (sensor control circuitry is behind the photodiode in each pixel instead of in the middle layer of the sensor). This would make it an ideal street shooter for night shots.
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    Can one of you comment on why this sensor might be better than what we have in the GF1?

    Cheers,
    Even if it is the regular EXMOR (like the X1 is rumored to have), it will be many times better than the NMOS in the m4/3rds cams.

    If it is the EXMOR-R, it will be a dream camera.

    EXMOR-R sensor, mirrorless camera, with a decent EVF and swivel TFT- will make me forget the m4/3rds.

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Add me to the throng lining up to buy this Sony cam -- as long as I can use my Pen F lenses via an adapter. As much as I like my G1 cameras, I have zero loyalty to the m4/3rds system whereas I treasure the various Pen F lenses I've acquired. Still, some compact Zeiss-designed lenses would be difficult to resist.

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Zeiss already has an excellent line of M lenses so they have a bit of experience in the small lens arena. Granted, these are manual lenses, but the optics and experience are there.
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Well, there have been some rumours a few months ago that Sony is replacing their top end Aps-c camera (A700) with a new line of mirrorless EVF cameras similar to the R1 but with interchangeable lenses. This could be the first installment and may explain why the A700 has not been replaced until now, and why no new ZA lenses introduced recently.

    Now it starts to make sense.

    Edit: A Sony rep in Bangkok told me a few months ago just when the A850 rumors were starting, that the FF A850 is indeed the replacement of the A700 as Sony wants or expects the A700 users to upgrade to FF.

    Sony has also stated recently that it does not want to include video in its DSLRs because Sony wants to do it right. It's all speculation, though.
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    I wish Sony would make a serious mirrorless cam without video and such doodahs.

    I am positive this will sell better than their monthly models of A501, A502, A503,... etc.

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Vivek, a mirrorless camera basically uses video continously for viewing the image in the finder. You have the choice to record it or not
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    Vivek, a mirrorless camera basically uses video continously for viewing the image in the finder. You have the choice to record it or not
    Edward, If that (video) recording choice is not there, then there are savings on the image processing, power management, etc.

    Also, there is no need to add a microphone, audio recording, and related expenses (money as well as processing, power, etc).

    BTW, this purported Sony cam should not be compared to the cute, overpriced P&S cam from Leica if it (Sony cam) is a system camera.
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    I sold all my m4/3rds stuff in anticipation of the new Sony DSC-R2. Give me the R2 with new Sony 12/14mp chip, Zeiss 24-120mm (was on the R1) and Sony chipped adapter so I can mount alpha G/Zeiss lenses and I will be happy.

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Edward, If that (video) recording choice is not there, then there are savings on the image processing, power management, etc.

    Also, there is no need to add a microphone, audio recording, and related expenses (money as well as processing, power, etc).

    BTW, this purported Sony cam should not be compared to the cute, overpriced P&S cam from Leica if it (Sony cam) is a system camera.
    I am with you 100%. Not because of the savings, but because I cannot get myself to respect or like any camera that shoots video. I must be a hardcore traditionalist. But I doubt Sony will make any new cam without this video thing, especially that all the kids are nagging to get that.
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    Not because of the savings, but because I cannot get myself to respect or like any camera that shoots video.



    I would not mind a built in coffee maker though. I love coffee.

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    and the story continues...

    http://sonyalpharumors.com/sr1-first...-camera-image/

    Cheers, Peter

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    LOOOOOOL That was the worst PS job I have ever seen
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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    I looket at it and couldn't understand the distance from the grip to the lens.....and then I read it was an R1 stretched horizontally. Anyone have any idea if this is being developed by the P&S group or the dslr group? (I'm a fan of the A900 UI not the Sony P&S stuff)

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    So here is the first results I've seen of Exmor R and I am completely underwhelmed. Not sure how this scales up to a big sensor but these results just don't look good.

    http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/so...1-review/using

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post


    I would not mind a built in coffee maker though. I love coffee.
    expresso or cappuccino would be fine with me (i like my coffee strong).

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    oops! i forgot i had an actual question to ask...

    how do people like Sony's interface? easy, intuitive, yada yada?

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    I find the back LCD screen changes are very easy and fast to use. Much better than having to dive into a menu for a simple change.

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    expresso or cappuccino would be fine with me (i like my coffee strong).

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    adding an expresso maker would also mean adding Image Stabilisation that was calibrated to the number of coffees consumed.... the more coffees consumed the great the stabilisation required.

    :-)

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Well today's the 18th. Any word?
    Life is an infinite series of moments called..."now".
    My job is to capture them.

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Well today's the 18th. Any word?
    Looks like it turned out to be a pro level HD video camera

    http://photorumors.com/2009/11/18/th...nted-it-to-be/

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    Re: Sony's answer to the Leica X1?

    Here is the link to Sony UK on the video camera.
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