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    Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Luminous Landscape article posted today

    http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...ony-nex5.shtml

    Sort of a shame. Perhaps they will do something or just wishful thinking.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Thanks for that link, Terry.

    After the G1 and the NX10, I am cautious with any company (other than Panasonic) coming with another mirrorless system cam.

    The NX10 is just sitting idly while my G1s are having a thorough work out everyday.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    No love for the NX10 Vivek?

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Luminous Landscape article posted today

    http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...ony-nex5.shtml

    Sort of a shame. Perhaps they will do something or just wishful thinking.
    Seems much as my initial impressions from the DPR preview: a control ergonomics disaster. Wait a year, maybe it will be a usable camera.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Does not sound too good for the NEXxyz.

    I do not undertand why a company like Sony develops something like this from the scratch, knowing what the market wants (EVF) and what is needed for serious photographers and then this is the outcome. I only can assume this is heavily driven by some marketing departments inside Sony, because technology wise they would have everything to build just "THE CAMERA".

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    The NEX concept is brilliant but it needs some extensive "tweeks" to make it acceptable to serious photographers. Maybe the rumoured NEX 7 will be just that, as the A700 was in the established Alpha range.

    If so, the NEX 9 will blow our socks off! The NEX range is here to stay IMHO and we shall see more E fit lenses. Not quite what I want yet though.
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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    The NEX concept is brilliant but it needs some extensive "tweeks" to make it acceptable to serious photographers. Maybe the rumoured NEX 7 will be just that, as the A700 was in the established Alpha range.

    If so, the NEX 9 will blow our socks off! The NEX range is here to stay IMHO and we shall see more E fit lenses. Not quite what I want yet though.
    There is hope at least

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Well
    As I understand it the NEX has been developed by the consumer division - nothing to do with the division producing the A cameras.

    Around here we all see the marketplace for the EVF mirrorless cameras to be US - people who want to experiment with different lenses and who are largely traditional photographs (what would we do without M mode!).

    I suspect that this demographic is only a small part of the m4/3 customers, and that Sony (and probably Samsung as well) see it as pretty irrelevant.

    Their expected customers are people moving up from their own digicams, people who have learned to let the camera take the pictures, which is just what the NEX is designed for.

    I guess someone will make an M adaptor, but I can't see that it'll be much use to anyone.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by ecsh View Post
    No love for the NX10 Vivek?

    Oh, it is a very cute camera.

    I am more impressed with the G1 and appreciate it even more, especially after getting the NX10.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    It sounds like a major firmware upgrade would be necessary to permit even slightly experienced users to avoid the tedious GUI to permit more manual operation.

    It seems that Sony was not interested in anyone but a user transitioning from the Point and Shoot world to buy this camera.

    I wonder, can this rather extensive change be done with only a firmware "upgrade."?????

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin S View Post
    It sounds like a major firmware upgrade would be necessary to permit even slightly experienced users to avoid the tedious GUI to permit more manual operation.

    It seems that Sony was not interested in anyone but a user transitioning from the Point and Shoot world to buy this camera.

    I wonder, can this rather extensive change be done with only a firmware "upgrade."?????

    Martin
    Whether it could or couldn't is probably moot. I'd be astonished if Sony attempted anything like it. Seems to me that the only hope of useability is a NEX 7 (or 9) with a few more buttons and bits.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    As I mentioned a while ago, going by Sony's history, these will retail for ~60% their initial list price, very soon.

    I am in no hurry at all.

    By the time I get around to buying anything NEX, the adapters I want would also be available from the usual sources at reasonable prices.

    A win win situation.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    I know this sounds a bit premature since we don't know much about the NEX7 (other than an GH2 competitor). Lets hope that Sony has designed the 7 for a different market segment, and has less need for a menu driven only GUI.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    I've also read lots more on line about the NEX5 and there are some real mixed feelings on the menus depending on how you shoot. I am sure for most of us there will be frustrations but if a lot of your day to day shooting is done without a lot of fuss i'm hearing it is fine. For instance:

    If I am out shooting an want to use a daylight WB, Auto ISO, aperture priority it seems as though the wheel changes aperture and the one button does EV. Also using the wheel like an old iPod is supposedly a lot faster than clicking.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Agreed, Terry. For those shooting in A or M mode, like myself and many of the users complaining about the NEX interface, the camera isn't THAT bad. It may not be perfect, and I sure hope it improves, but it isn't keeping me from buying the thing.

    I keep hearing that the camera is designed for P&S users, which may be true, but, last time I checked, many advanced users stay away from jpeg settings, etc. and really only need shutter and aperture control, which the NEX does an o.k. job with. If Sony switches the "shoot tips" soft button to ISO in A and M mode, things will be great, IMO.

    p.s. i don't think Michael Reichmann realized in his review that you can shuttle quickly through settings with the scroll wheel like an iPod.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    What is an iPOD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I've also read lots more on line about the NEX5 and there are some real mixed feelings on the menus depending on how you shoot. I am sure for most of us there will be frustrations but if a lot of your day to day shooting is done without a lot of fuss i'm hearing it is fine. For instance:

    If I am out shooting an want to use a daylight WB, Auto ISO, aperture priority it seems as though the wheel changes aperture and the one button does EV. Also using the wheel like an old iPod is supposedly a lot faster than clicking.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiz-eaaLuN8

    Doesn't seem that bad. Also the histogram stays up, maybe MR has some other mode set?

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Interesting remarks
    Different isn't necessarily bad, I'm certainly willing to be convinced about the interface.

    I'll wait with baited breath for Terry's response!

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Interesting remarks
    Different isn't necessarily bad, I'm certainly willing to be convinced about the interface.

    I'll wait with baited breath for Terry's response!

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What is an iPOD?
    Assuming it wasn't tongue in cheek--- Apple's mp3 player. The older ones like Classic use a click dial

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Don't turn blue....the camera won't be out until the end of June.
    Eh heh eh heh eh heh
    You just saved me!

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    Assuming it wasn't tongue in cheek--- Apple's mp3 player. The older ones like Classic use a click dial

    Genuine question, Diane. Thanks for explaining the relevance of it to NEX interface as well.

    I do not own/use iPods.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Eh heh eh heh eh heh
    You just saved me!
    Here you can try the camera yourself. Looks like Sony is putting in a lot of effort in this one. A nice interactive camera app...you can try all the modes and shooting as well.

    http://www.sony.co.uk/hub/dslr/nex5-...tive-operation

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    MR did mention that you could 'scroll' through those 28 clicks (this is what an iPod user would do). No direct 'Format" control? Now that really is a PITA!

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    . No direct 'Format" control? Now that really is a PITA!
    Least of the worries, Kit.

    There is no direct access to anything that is useful. In fact, if I have found a way to access something after some clicks (and several tries), I am totally lost the next time I want to bring up that function. The NEX3/5 are not really cameras. Consider them as APS-C digital backs.

    There is a one button video function though.....

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Vivek; you are a crack-up, as we say here! Terry seems to have found her way around the camera, though; just reading her post http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17553; see # 45

    One button for video, eh?

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Kit, I am very orthodox when it comes to certain things. Cameras and lenses are included in that category. A viewfinder (EVF) would have made the NEX very useful.

    Hopefully (fingers crossed), we will have a NEX-7&9 soon that would also add a few buttons so that one can change trivial things that are important for snaps like ISO and such fairly easily.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Terry seems to have found her way around the camera, though;
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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Most of the time I don't even have one...

    ..and for the life of me, I can't even see...can't use the half tilt LCD in daylight even to compose (forget focusing or searching for ISO or other settings).

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Vivek are you setting the LCD display to "Sunny Weather"? I don't have any problem with it and it is the only one. It was very bright and sunny in Newport Beach on Saturday with no clouds in the sky and it worked just fine. I was even wearing prescription polarized sun glasses (it was bright and hot for Newport at 77F).
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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    John, I am stumped. Where (NEX-5) would I find "Sunny Weather" setting for the LCD?

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    In the setup menu there is an option curiously called "LCD Brightness" push the button and there are three choices auto, manual, sunny.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
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    So true!

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Thanks, again.

    I had found it in the beginning and when I saw "Auto", i thought that was the end of the road (after so many button pushes). It did not occur to me that I had to push that "Auto" again to see the choices.

    I can see why the "Sunny Weather" would work in bright Sun shine. It is blinding indoors.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Thanks, again.

    I can see why the "Sunny Weather" would work in bright Sun shine. It is blinding indoors.
    Which is why I don't think the auto goes that bright. I find it unusable indoors the contrast is just too high.

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    Re: Looks like the NEX needs some new firmware

    I used an NEX at a party over the weekend, had no problem viewing the LCD in the bright Texas sun at the standard setting.



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