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    Let's hear your opinion on.....

    the Sony NEX5, the Pano GF1 and the Oly EP2. Knowing what you know now, which would you buy? Some of you have owned all three, so if you could only pick one, which one would it be?

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    The Nex has the most potential with better models and Zeiss glass in the making.
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    Re: Let's hear your opinion on.....

    as an e-p1 owner there is only one choice for me - E-P2

    1) best EVF
    2) In body stabilisation
    3) looks and feels right in my hand

    Briefly picked up a NEX in a store, and while i admired the small form factor, it actually felt too small for the lenses.

    as for the potential - well you should never buy on potential, but on what it does today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durrIII View Post
    the Sony NEX5, the Pano GF1 and the Oly EP2. Knowing what you know now, which would you buy? Some of you have owned all three, so if you could only pick one, which one would it be?

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    The NEX is important to me based on the compatibility with the rest of my Sony system.

    M4/3 has a more robust native lens lineup than NEX. Legacy lenses not clear yet if Wider APS-C sensor will cause bigger corner problems.

    The E-PL1 to me has a better UI than the E-P2. Personally, I really dislike the E-P1 (and most of the E-P2) user interface. The removable EVF on Oly is better than the one for the GF1.

    Hard to advise on one. Strengths and weaknesses with each.

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    I'd get a NEX-7 to get APS-C and image stabilization...but I'm pretty sure Sony will disable the stabilization for non-native lenses. Ergo, they will probably lose a sale.

    SONY, ARE YOU LISTENING?

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    I was in a similar situation. I ended up putting my E-P1 for sale (gotta say Im one of those who REALLY like its user interface) and getting a GF1 body (mostly for the video and AF speed). I REALLY strugled not to get a NEX camera, but I have felt its too soon to tell where these cameras are going. I remember that I bought the E-P1 as soon as it hit the market and then the E-P2 and the EPL1 came out right after it. Ill just wait. Maybe the NEX7 will have better user interface, in camera IS and faster AF. I have to say that everytime I look at the images produced by the NEX cameras I have to reason with my self not to buy it though. I would love to try my Pentax 50mm 1.4 and my Nikon 85mm 1.8 with these NEX cameras!

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    HI There
    Well, I've only spent half an hour with a NEX, and I thought it was a lovely thing . . . . but it seemed to me that any but the pancake lens was going to be pretty big - Terry's idea of it's supporting her Alpha kit also made it tempting . . . but the IS is in the lenses, not the sensor (correct me if I'm wrong). So that even if I did use it for backup, and even if I didn't mind the huge imbalance between lens and body size, I'd still be missing IS on the lenses I like to use, not to mention AF.

    The GF1 is lovely . . . . but once again, no IS for 3rd party lenses, and I do like to use my 90 elmarit for a 180mm f2.8 . . . but image stabilisation is rather important. I also felt the build quality left something to be desired.

    The user interface on the EP2 I have now seems to be fine now I've got to grips with it, the build quality is great - the AF much improved after the firmware updates. The EVF works when you need it.

    So - at least for the time being I shall be keeping to the EP2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsking View Post
    I'd get a NEX-7 to get APS-C and image stabilization...but I'm pretty sure Sony will disable the stabilization for non-native lenses. Ergo, they will probably lose a sale.

    SONY, ARE YOU LISTENING?
    If a NEX-7 ever happens and has SSS, it wouldn't be surprised if SSS works, but, like with Sony's DSLRs, you'll need a way for the lens to communicate the focal length to the camera, so it can calculate SSS correctly. Ideally, being able to enter the focal length via menu would be an option.

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    Jono - for my Alpha lenses they will mostly be on a tripod.

    Rawfa - I don't think anyone has said the AF on the Sony is slow. My quibble would be at close range getting it to pick what I want it focus on but same issue with all the brands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Jono - for my Alpha lenses they will mostly be on a tripod.
    Tripod?
    erm . . . I'm sure I heard something about a tripod some time ago . . .weren't they invaders from outer space?


    I do understand - I wasn't for a second criticising your decision . . . just that it doesn't really work for me (nex with 135 f1.8 handheld . . . probably not )

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    I wasn't taking it a criticism just full disclosure for Rawfa on how I was going to use it.

    For non tripod with NEX:
    I love the alpha 24-105 lens and even handheld on the NEX. I'm not wild about the fact that it doesn't close focus.

    The 50 f1.4 with adapter felt really good on the camera and it is making it's way to me now through the mail from B&H.

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    I am still undecided about NEX. Absence of EVF and the half tilt LCD is not going make it very useful. Also, there is no chance of using a bigger flash than the screw-plug flash

    I appreciate the short camera registry, the ultra compact design and the high ISO performance.

    Knowing Sony, prices of these will come down quite a bit in a few months.

    By that time NEX-7 and 9 will be in the market.

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    Im with Jono. Whats the point of making the camera body super small when its lenses are big. It may be smaller than the GF1 but it still wont fit on your jeans pocket.

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    I agree with Vivek. I think the best strategy right now is to wait and see what Sony is hiding.

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    Re: Let's hear your opinion on.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    I agree with Vivek. I think the best strategy right now is to wait and see what Sony is hiding.
    Or Panasonic, or Olympus, or (perhaps more to the point) Canon or Nikon?

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    Jono, While using a system (or several in case of some) what harm is there to wait and see? Especially when a new system is lacking in things according to the standards set by some others (Panasonic in my case when it comes to mirrorless cams).

    Otherwise, like my Samsung NX10 (still available for sale ) it is not going to be very fruitful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Jono, While using a system (or several in case of some) what harm is there to wait and see?
    Hey Vivek - nothing at all - I was agreeing with you (dammit, perhaps I even sound ironic when I'm not).

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    No worries, Jono.

    BTW, I would like to mention here that I have skipped the G2 of Panasonic because it lacks any substantive improvements over the G1 and still sports that old sensor (which is in dire need of a marked improvement).
    Last edited by Vivek; 12th July 2010 at 11:45.

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    Vivek, speaking of the NX10, how is sensor coverage with the Pen F lenses? I assume no issue.

    With regards to the NEX, although the interface isn't perfect I find it much more palatable than the Oly interface. The E-P2/E-PL1 has very good IQ and great EVF, which is a difficult feature to give up, but 1.5x crop factor of NEX is inviting...

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    I bought a G2 since I didn't have a G1 and wanted an evf better than that on the gf1.
    Actually the touch screen focus point is pretty handy for tripod work too.
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    I have both the NEX 5 and the Ricoh GXR A12 and have owned the EP-1, G1 and GF-1. As much as I wanted to like the m4/3 sensor, they just aren't in the same league as the APS-C sensors and given the laws of physics probably won't ever be as each will improve at about the same rate. On the other hand, the m4/3rds sensor may reach the IQ point where the diffference doesn't outweigh the difference is lens size. In other words the image is so good under virtually all conceivable uses that being able to use smaller lenses outweighs the difference gaine by a larger sensor. Technically we aren't there today but who is to say in two or three years?

    My current struggle is between two APS-C sensor cameras and right now the NEX is ahead becasue of the interchangeable lenses and the significantly faster AF. When it comes to UI, the Sony is not as bad as many would imply but the Ricoh UI is just naturally superb. The MF on the Sony is the one area that it beats the Ricoh hands down. I am still struggling with metering under harsh conditions or low light with the Sony and if you follow the Sony Alpha forum on DPR you will find that I am not alone here. However, in fairness to the Sony I still need to learn much more about using it before I blame anyone other than the photographer (me ). I should get the M adapter this week and I hope I can also get a 16mm pancake all of which should help me with my decision. I will post when I know.
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    John, Did you notice that I posted that my NX10 is still for available for purchase? It sports a 14MP APS-C sensor.

    Robert, As I posted here (worded clumsily and reads poorly when I look at it):

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16373 (post #6),

    Olympus pen F 25mm f/2.8 is just OK (slight light fall off, use of any hood is not possible). Though I do not have a 20/3.5, I suspect that may not do well to cover the whole APS-C frame.

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    Re: Let's hear your opinion on.....

    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    I have both the NEX 5 and the Ricoh GXR A12 and have owned the EP-1, G1 and GF-1. As much as I wanted to like the m4/3 sensor, they just aren't in the same league as the APS-C sensors and given the laws of physics probably won't ever be as each will improve at about the same rate.
    Hi John
    Do you really mean they aren't in the same league?
    Have you actually done shot for shot comparisons of the same focal lengths in the same lighting of the same scene on tripods?
    I agree that the current Sony APS-c sensors are better at high ISO, but in normal lighting the shot for shot comparisons I've done haven't come out with a winner. Now then, I haven't done this with the NEX, But I have done it with the GF1, EP1, EP2, X1 - and I've shown them to uninterested parties. To say that there is a fag paper in between seems to me to be questionable, but 'they aren't in the same league' is so far from the shots I've seen. As for the NEX - as I say, I haven't done shot/shot comparisons, but the optical quality of the kit lens seems questionable to me (certainly as far as distortion and corners is concerned).

    If you have done such comparisons, and there really is a league of difference . . . perhaps it would be good if we could see them? If you haven't done the comparisons . . . maybe such cataclysmic judgements are a bit unfair?

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    Re: Let's hear your opinion on.....

    NEX5 with the 16mm, but if Olympus comes up with a similar lens (12mm f/2.8 pancake?), I'm not so sure....

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    Re: Let's hear your opinion on.....

    Jono,

    Just my opinion based on my observations. Perhaps a little exaggeration but I can see the difference with my less than perfect vision. I would agree there are shots at low ISO where it might be difficult to see the difference, not so much with the Panasonics where I can see the difference even at low ISO as noise is still visible; however, the Olys with their great JPGs are another story. I was really thinking about high ISO where the difference is pronounced. I find myself in a lot of low light situations and I need the clean high ISO shots. The NEX images clean up really well using Bibble 5 Pro and I suspect it may do even better in LR 3 once the converter is available for RAW. I also have Topaz Fusion Express that I haven't tried on these images since I can't process RAW in LR 3 yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    The GF1 is lovely . . . . but once again, no IS for 3rd party lenses, and I do like to use my 90 elmarit for a 180mm f2.8 . . . but image stabilisation is rather important. I also felt the build quality left something to be desired.
    Hi Jono
    I have read your interesting, (as always) comments about lack of IS on some of the various new little marvels. Also your prevailing preference for your beloved Leica M9.

    However I don't ever remember reading about IS in your excellent review of the M9 or any of the M lenses!! Oskar Barnack is probably turning in his grave as I write this!
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    I had an Olympus EP-1. I liked the body very much the interface was ok, but there were a few buts:
    The LCD was not good enough to use it with my M lenses for manual focus
    The image quality was not really exciting. I did no proper testing I just did not like it.

    I bought the NEX5 2 weeks ago and I should get the M adapter next week. So far I am very happy with the little fella. It is light, the zoom is very reasonable and the main thing the image quality is very much what I like. The deciding factor will be how well it will work with the M lenses. I would be very happy to have it as a backup for the M8 and for the odd longer tele work when the 17-200 comes out. It is quite a big lens but I think it will handle quite well. The prototype I had on my camera in Taipei felt quite ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Hi Jono
    I have read your interesting, (as always) comments about lack of IS on some of the various new little marvels. Also your prevailing preference for your beloved Leica M9.

    However I don't ever remember reading about IS in your excellent review of the M9 or any of the M lenses!! Oskar Barnack is probably turning in his grave as I write this!
    Touche! But it isn't an option on an M camera, but it IS an option on a mirrorless camera - At any rate, you aren't likely to be shooting an M9 at longer than 90mm . . . whereas I was talking of 180mm on the EP - added to which the weight and the way you hold it.

    John - if it's for the low light I haven't another word to say!

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    The Sony NEX3 and NEX5 is good option of Sony camera.The NEX5 is latest version. It is a digital camera. It is also calling "alpha compact interchangeable lens digital cameras". It has high image quality. The Sony NEX5 better than any model so far. There are so many new features in NEX5.

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    durrIII, I haven't owned any of the three you suggest (and probably never will, because of the lack of a built-in viewfinder).
    But if I had to buy one of the three right now e.g. as a gift I would go with the NEX5 for the larger sensor format.

    For a start I would ask Sony whether the image circle of the new Sony E mount lenses is covering more than an APS-C format sensor ...
    Or whether the mount design (throat diameter) is prepared for a larger than APS-C format sensor ?
    The present lenses may be APS-C format optics, but does the mount itself have room for a larger sensor in the future ?
    I.e. is there an upgrade path for the system, did Sony think ahead while designing ...
    That would be a little bit interesting to know before you buy into a brand new E mount system. I think.

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    Touche! But it isn't an option on an M camera, but it IS an option on a mirrorless camera
    Hi Jono........My tongue was firmly wedged in my cheek, as I am sure you realised!

    However, early images that I have seen from links on this forum are extremely promising when used with M mount lenses. Could also be easier (and shed loads cheaper) than the M8/9 for focusing from what I am reading from "real" (rather than review) every day photographers using the 14x LCD image preview.

    The lens weight and size is not a bother to me. Holding the lens rather than the camera makes a lot of sense to me as I am rather used to that when using the 500mm lens on my full frame A900 hand held. It is a digital back attached to a lens in effect. My only nagging doubt is having to use the LCD only for framing the image.

    I can't really get on with my DLux4 for that very same reason. I shall just have to go and try a NEX5 in my local L.C.E!! (that's always 'fatal')
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    Steen,
    regarding FF capabilty of the E-mount; it's all a bit vague IMHO.

    You can read Douglas' post at the bottom of this page:

    http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/nex-came...page6.html#top

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    For a start I would ask Sony whether the image circle of the new Sony E mount lenses is covering more than an APS-C format sensor ...
    Or whether the mount design (throat diameter) is prepared for a larger than APS-C format sensor ?
    The present lenses may be APS-C format optics, but does the mount itself have room for a larger sensor in the future ?
    I.e. is there an upgrade path for the system, did Sony think ahead while designing ...
    That would be a little bit interesting to know before you buy into a brand new E mount system. I think.

    Interesting thoughts, Steen.

    If these would turn out to be reality (sooner the better), I can see the m4/3rds obliterated.

    It also would make me wait and see what Sony would offer before taking the bite. As is, the "system" does not even have a body cap. No flashes , no EVF, nothing other than a couple of zoomz and one other lens plus purported converters (as if the prime is something special ).

    Let us not forget that Sony is also likely to make promotions centered around its Bravia TV and the 3D feature of the NEX's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Interesting thoughts, Steen.

    If these would turn out to be reality (sooner the better), I can see the m4/3rds obliterated.
    HI Vivek
    You're assuming that the average user is going to put up with something much larger (lenses at least) on the basis of the difference in IQ between a m4/3 sensor and a larger one. I just don't see it, even at a professional level people are using Canon 7D when full frame sensors are also available - at this kind of amateur level I'd have thought that size was much more relevant that what is (let's face it) quite a minimal difference in sensor size between m/43 and APS-c (especially when you consider that 4:3 is a more printable ration than 3:2).

    (pixel density on the GF1 is 5 MP/cm, on the NEX it's 4 MP/cm . . . . and when you consider that lots of people will go for a Canon G11 with a pixel density of 23 MP/cm).

    Whether the ageing Panasonic sensor is up to par is a different matter, but I'm sure there is something new in the pipeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Hi Jono........My tongue was firmly wedged in my cheek, as I am sure you realised!
    Absolutely - but a good dig is a good dig (all the better if it's tongue in cheek!).

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    The lens weight and size is not a bother to me. Holding the lens rather than the camera makes a lot of sense to me as I am rather used to that when using the 500mm lens on my full frame A900 hand held. It is a digital back attached to a lens in effect. My only nagging doubt is having to use the LCD only for framing the image.
    well, okay, but if you're going to use a 500mm lens . . . . . why not use it on the A900 (or it's successor)?

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    I can't really get on with my DLux4 for that very same reason. I shall just have to go and try a NEX5 in my local L.C.E!! (that's always 'fatal')
    Well . . . I had a play at warehouseexpress (the showroom is only a 15minute drive from work, which has proved very expensive). I thought it was absolutely lovely, and I would certainly have bought it, except that the kit lens produced monumental distortion (and wasn't really small enough), the pancake was fab (but just a 24mm in my pocket ain't no good), and when I thought of using it with my darling 135 f1.8 I just thought . . well, what advantages does it have over the A900. If it had a nice 24-60 equivalent small zoom I'd be all over it . . . but it hasn't (and the size of the kit lens suggests it won't).

    Of course, I do have M lenses, and could get an M adaptor . . . . . . . but then I'd rather use an M9 with them!

    That's just me though - I think it's a great camera, I liked the interface, the build quality, the look, and if I didn't already have an M9 I'd probably be tempted.

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    HI Vivek
    You're assuming that the average user is going to put up with something much larger (lenses at least) on the basis of the difference in IQ between a m4/3 sensor and a larger one. I just don't see it, even at a professional level people are using Canon 7D when full frame sensors are also available - at this kind of amateur level I'd have thought that size was much more relevant that what is (let's face it) quite a minimal difference in sensor size between m/43 and APS-c (especially when you consider that 4:3 is a more printable ration than 3:2).

    (pixel density on the GF1 is 5 MP/cm, on the NEX it's 4 MP/cm . . . . and when you consider that lots of people will go for a Canon G11 with a pixel density of 23 MP/cm).

    Whether the ageing Panasonic sensor is up to par is a different matter, but I'm sure there is something new in the pipeline.
    Hi Jono,

    I also do not think there is much of a difference. IMO, Sony missed out on releasing a 12MP NEX instead of these (no big deal given that they don't even have a body cap).

    Panasonic's next model would sport voice controls in addition to touch screen menus and Olympus would make EPL- lite in different colors.

    Seriously, have you checked the newer TVs? Sony's Bravia goes head to head against Samsung's LED TVs.

    Real improvements there.

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    Hi Jono,

    I also do not think there is much of a difference. IMO, Sony missed out on releasing a 12MP NEX instead of these (no big deal given that they don't even have a body cap).

    Panasonic's next model would sport voice controls in addition to touch screen menus and Olympus would make EPL- lite in different colors.
    . . . . . but nobody will release a small 24-something equivalent zoom (damn their teeth)

    The TV remark appeared as if by magic - just checked in the demonstration room, the 52" appears to be a panasonic, other than a glimpse of the football final, I don't think I've watched TV since Christmas, and on the rare occasions I do, it's either on a 24" imac or else an old Sony from . . . . . 1980?
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    You are way too quick with your response Jono. By the time I added the TV stuff, you had already posted.

    Yes, the classic Trinitron still works.

    The latest LCD/TFT/LED TVs are very impressive. Some even do 3D nicely.

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    I own m4/3 Oly and Pany, but bought the NEX 5 with 16mm lens for it's very good panorama capabilities and it has been fun for that. A pocket (using the word loosely) panorama camera which actually works. The IQ is very very good and beyond panorama use a good still camera.

    I was concerned about the interface but it seems relatively intuitive as it is different from the Pany.

    The NEX 5 seems well built - I do find it a bit strange that there are no body or rear lens caps in the box, the lens hood for the zoom seems to work well on the 16mm. When you open a new Pany or Oly box you realize the contents were well thought-out compared to the Sony.

    I did find that a rear cap from Oly digital lenses sort of works on the Sony E lenses (close enough for now).

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    To the NEX owners: how many shots each fully charged battery provides (without any flash use)? TIA!

    I have been looking at the NEX and the Pana (G1/G2, etc) batteries:

    Pana battery 107g, ~ much cheaper than Sony one and is lot more powerful (1250 mAH. Works for ~250 shots for me on an average).

    Sony battery 57g, less power (1080 mAH) and is pricey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durrIII View Post
    the Sony NEX5, the Pano GF1 and the Oly EP2. Knowing what you know now, which would you buy? Some of you have owned all three, so if you could only pick one, which one would it be?
    Having borrowed the GF1 for a few days and used it without the EVF, I'd have to say that given the choice I'd go for the E-P2 due to its high quality EVF. There are things I like about the GF1 more than the E-P2 with regard to control layout, but the E-P2's higher quality EVF combined with it's support of the FourThirds SLR teleconverters trumps those minor annoyances of the control layout.

    (When all is said and done, amongst Micro-FourThirds bodies I still prefer the G1/G2 more than the others however.)

    I have no interest in the NEX cameras at all for the present.

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    I know this wasn't a choice, but if I were to choose again, it would be the Panasonic GH1 again. An integrated EVF is important to me. If Sony comes out with a model with an integrated EVF, I will pick one up. There seems to be good potential there from a sensor and mount design standpoint, and I think I'd enjoy using it with the 16mm f/2.8 lens.

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    I was out shooting yesterday trying out zone focus and street shooting with the NEX and the Leica 40/2 lens and I have to say the easily viewable screen set to daylight mode and its tilt worked better than the EVF on the Ricoh GXR. First I could shoot with it from the waist and it is so small it is really unobtrusive and quite a stealth camera. Second, it was easy to set the zone using the markings on the lens and good depth of field and easy to see what I was shooting. When I wanted to focus the 14x magnification made it a piece of cake. It was very bright and sunny at the beach (Balboa Island,CA) and great fun to use and shooting panos was awesome. A pano is shown below.
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    I was wondering why the Pana G1 is so much superior to the Sony NEX when it comes to manual focusing (magnification, especially).

    Even the 7X of Sony is more than enough but is slower than the Pana because the Sony rectangle is very small. It takes forever to move that from top left corner (where it is in my cam) to other places.

    Compared to that, the Pana is ~3-5 times faster.

    Sony should update the FW to give an option of larger rectangle sizes (having a one button access to ISO also would make the NEX useful).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I was wondering why the Pana G1 is so much superior to the Sony NEX when it comes to manual focusing (magnification, especially).

    Even the 7X of Sony is more than enough but is slower than the Pana because the Sony rectangle is very small. It takes forever to move that from top left corner (where it is in my cam) to other places.

    Compared to that, the Pana is ~3-5 times faster.

    Sony should update the FW to give an option of larger rectangle sizes (having a one button access to ISO also would make the NEX useful).
    as far as a manual focus firmware upgrade goes, what i would like is for the option of the magnification only occurring in the center of the screen so the edges are still visible for composition. i believe the leica X1 has this to mimic the rangefinder experience a bit. it would make composing and focusing much more fluid i suspect.

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    Well Panasonic (G1) does that even better. The rectangle shows up in the middle. One can use it as is (quickly) or move it and enlarge (better albeit a tad slower).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Well Panasonic (G1) does that even better. The rectangle shows up in the middle. One can use it as is (quickly) or move it and enlarge (better albeit a tad slower).
    but the G1 magnifies the whole screen meaning i need to exit magnification to take the shot, for me this is only a tiny bit better. everybody works differently though.

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    Vivek you can easily move (not enlarge but shrink a bit) the spot by using the flexible focus option. Turn off the hints menu and the bottom button with the kit lens then becomes focus and you just move the spot. With manual focus adapted lenses that option is already right on the screen.

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    I find the manual focus on the NEX superior to the Pany G1, GF1, the Oly EP-1 and the Ricoh GXR A12. The choice between 7X and 14X is perfect and it seems to remember your preference. I must be missing something as I find it fast whether I am using a manual lens or one of the Sony lenses and want to tweak AF.
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    Terry,

    I do not speak Sony language. There is no "hints menu" as far as I can see.

    I do not know how to turn that off with the 16/2.8.

    Yes, with manual focus lenses, that ("shooting tips") button becomes "manual assist". The spot starts at the top left corner and not in the middle.

    At one point, "face recognition" kicked in when using manual focus lens and that was useful. I can't make that work again and I have no idea where to look to activate it either.

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