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    Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Our Sony rep came by today and had some goodies.

    The NEX-VG10 will also take 14mp stills. For those who want an EVF on their NEX, I guess this is the solution.

    18-200mm should be about $699, will be released in September along with the camcorder.

    More pics here.








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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    wow I want the vg10 and 16mm pancake!!!

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Well now with the 16mm it has a built in lens shade that does double duty as a mic.

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    First I hope they fix moire. So far the NEX-5 is not really good in video because of moire)
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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Our Sony rep came by today and had some goodies.

    The NEX-VG10 will also take 14mp stills. For those who want an EVF on their NEX, I guess this is the solution.

    18-200mm should be about $699, will be released in September along with the camcorder.

    More pics here.


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    Exactly the combo I would like to get, plus a couple of these:


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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Is Voightlander offering an adapter for M lenses on the E mount?

    Ustein, I haven't seen any sign of moire with the NEX 5 yet and I have shot fences where I would have expected to see it. I assumed it was because it had a strong AA filter. I would actually prefer to see some as it would mean it had a weak AA filter with my preference being no AA filter.
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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    Is Voightlander offering an adapter for M lenses on the E mount?
    They were announced two days ago. According to the distributor in Thailand, they will be available very soon for THB 4,800, which is around USD 150.

    http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigt...pter/e-vm.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    Is Voightlander offering an adapter for M lenses on the E mount?
    Do you mean a Leica M mount?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/leica-M-lens-Son...item2eae43b765

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Just heard from the distributor; August.

    I know there are others available, but I'm old fashioned: I like to deal with real people in a real shop. Sometimes, when there are minor problems, they fix my cameras for free, and I always get coffee when I go there to chat with other photo nerds

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    This from Luminous-Landscape:

    Sony has announced the NEX-VG10, a hybrid video / stills camera that uses the same APS-C sized sensor used in the recently introduced NEX still cameras. It will become available in September at a US price of $2,000, including an 18-200mm lens.

    Pretty cool, you say. But, when you read the specs you'll find that the camera can only shoot video in 1080/60i mode. Yes – interlace mode only. No progressive. And no 720 mode. ?????

    Memo to Sony: No one wants interlaced video any more. It's old technology from more than 50 years ago. All computer monitors and current TVs are progressive devices. At least the VG10 should have had 30P. 24P would have been very nice as well and might have made creative film makers looking for narrow DOF excited. But, 60i? Fail!

    Though the VG10 can shoot 14MP stills, Sony has eliminated raw mode. So the question has to be asked, who is this camera for? It's video modes seem crippled as do its stills modes.

    I'll let you know when I get one for testing – if Sony is still speaking to me after this rant.

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Brad,

    You are making a common mistake that others have made. The camera and the NEX 5 only record in progressive mode. The recording is wrapped in an interlaced package because there is no AVCHD standard for 1080P at 30fps. It is confusing and some vendors hide this fact. There are numerous threads on this topic.
    V/r John

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    monza - any word on the ZA 24mm?

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    >The recording is wrapped in an interlaced package because there is no AVCHD standard for 1080P at 30fps.

    True, but still a PITA. This also does not prevent Panasonic to record 1080p60 as kind of AVCHD. In the end it looks like AVCHD is not a good format for more advanced video capture.

    I am more worried about the moire (if it is like the NEX-5).
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    >And no 720 mode. ?????

    Why do you want this? For even more moire? If you want 60p why not at 1080p? The Panasonic TM700 can do this.
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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Panavision Lens adapter for the E-mount for the vg10 filmographers.
    http://sonyalphanex.blogspot.com/201...s-adapter.html


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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Thanks for clarifying, John. I was just quoting Luminous-Landscape.

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    Is Voightlander offering an adapter for M lenses on the E mount?

    Ustein, I haven't seen any sign of moire with the NEX 5 yet and I have shot fences where I would have expected to see it. I assumed it was because it had a strong AA filter. I would actually prefer to see some as it would mean it had a weak AA filter with my preference being no AA filter.
    The NEX-5 has very strong aliasing.

    Check this video for low moire:

    http://vimeo.com/11597003

    and this for strong:

    http://vimeo.com/9987516

    In my brief tests the NEX-5 is as least as bad. That is why I was asking.
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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Our Sony rep came by today and had some goodies.

    The NEX-VG10 will also take 14mp stills. For those who want an EVF on their NEX, I guess this is the solution.
    No thanks!

    Instead of the peanut flash of the NEX-5, I want a decent (Panasonic G1 quality- I know that is asking for a bit too much) quality EVF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I know that is asking for a bit too much) quality EVF.
    Why is that "asking for a bit too much" ? If (or when) they provide an EVF, I would expect that to be comparable to the other such products in the market.

    As it stands, one of the local premier Sony retailers mentioned that a clip-on type EVF is arriving for the NEX3/5, and I hope that happens soon (announcement and availability before Photokina ?).
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Why is that "asking for a bit too much" ? If (or when) they provide an EVF, I would expect that to be comparable to the other such products in the market.

    As it stands, one of the local premier Sony retailers mentioned that a clip-on type EVF is arriving for the NEX3/5, and I hope that happens soon (announcement and availability before Photokina ?).
    One can expect anything compared to the best* in the market but if that would happen is another matter. Let us hope that the purported clip on EVF for NEX-5 would be of the quality provided by the integrated EVF of the G1.

    It is asking for too much (ie instead of the peanut flash) because even the dumb optical viewfinder for the 16mm lens is atrociously priced, IMO.

    * I have looked at the Olympus and Pana clip ons and the Samsung NX10 EVF. The one in G1 is a cut above all these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    * I have looked at the Olympus and Pana clip ons and the Samsung NX10 EVF. The one in G1 is a cut above all these.
    Sony's intent is to dominate this market and this is a segment that has been identified as a strategic growth area, based on how they are pushing these products (with constant presence on the road of folks like Toru Katsumoto and Masashi Imamura - who are the top bigwigs in their Imaging arena). I don't think they will compromise on things like the EVF etc and introduce products of an overtly lower spec than say something from Panasonic.

    I would look at the EVF that is present in the NEX camcorder, to have an idea of what the specs on the clip-on EVF would be like. The 16mm's OVF is something I personally would not even bother to purchase, to be quite honest, even though it does look like a well built product - I don't consider it useful enough.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    * I have looked at the Olympus and Pana clip ons and the Samsung NX10 EVF. The one in G1 is a cut above all these.
    what do you like about the g1 evf over the oly one out of curiousity? I've heard a lot of people say they like the Olympus clip on better than the g1/gh1 evf.

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Sony's intent is to dominate this market and this is a segment that has been identified as a strategic growth area, based on how they are pushing these products (with constant presence on the road of folks like Toru Katsumoto and Masashi Imamura - who are the top bigwigs in their Imaging arena).
    I honestly do not give a dime's worth at what these guys say. They (Sony) also say that this type of cameras are aimed at P&S shoot users "transitioning" into higher quality cameras.

    If that is the case (ie target customer group), why on earth would they be promoting cameras that can use old manual focus lenses.

    Just how many P&S cam owners would be digging up olympus pen F or Contax G lenses to use on the NEXs and the Gs?

    If they are serious about "dominating" the market (), they would be giving away body caps and lens rear caps to every NEX owner for free and with a note of apology.

    Sony have managed to come up with an APS-C sensored digital back. I applaud their efforts with the purchase of a NEX-5 kit. I am waiting for them to make a real camera that is truly useful.
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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Quote Originally Posted by sebboh View Post
    what do you like about the g1 evf over the oly one out of curiousity? I've heard a lot of people say they like the Olympus clip on better than the g1/gh1 evf.
    Pellicle has explained why the G1 EVF is more sophisticated (search the 4/3rds board).

    I do not like any EVF that is so sharp that all the pixels are visible (and not the information that I need to see).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I am waiting for them to make a real camera that is truly useful.
    "Real cameras" will come, and you can bet your bottom dollar about it. I would be surprised if there is no announcement by Photokina about such more advanced products (maybe a "NEX7"), including some higher-end prime lenses.

    These particular products released till date, seem to be more of a proof-of-concept on what kind of (petite) size is possible with an APS-C sensor in the body, as a counterpoint to such "micro" products already available in the marketplace.

    As it stands, the NEX5 is a perfect foil for my A900. When absolutely maximum imaging performance is required, the A900 (with lenses like the CZ 135mm f/1.8 Sonnar or CZ 85mm f/1.4 Planar) gets deployed.....those are fit enough to be blown upto 24"x36" on canvas, and hung on a wall (I have a few of those).

    The NEX5 (with the 18-55) covers a lot of ground when it comes to being taken along for casual shooting, travel and HD video....."real camera" be damned, even though I personally would have preferred to have ISO and PASM controls in a handier fashion, along with a built-in EVF. A clip-on EVF will work too but an EVF is definitely needed. I recently bought a Leica 35/2 Pre-ASPH Summicron to use as a compact high quality walkaround on the NEX but without an EVF, I am leaning towards not keeping the lens and plan to sell it off.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    A clip-on EVF will work too but an EVF is definitely needed. I recently bought a Leica 35/2 Pre-ASPH Summicron to use as a compact high quality walkaround on the NEX but without an EVF, I am leaning towards not keeping the lens and plan to sell it off.
    Just goes to illustrate the fact a "proof of concept" digital back isn't the real thing.

    Not even my bottom dime. That is what I said.

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    i personally have no interest in a "real" mirrorless camera, if the camera needs to be bigger for the evf i'll live without the evf. i think sony looked at the sales numbers from the different 4/3 cameras and decided that small was what the largest section of the market for still cameras wanted and targeted that. hopefully they'll come out with some higher end lenses at photokina. i have heard that the higher end NEX won't come out till after photokina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sebboh View Post
    i personally have no interest in a "real" mirrorless camera, if the camera needs to be bigger for the evf i'll live without the evf. i think sony looked at the sales numbers from the different 4/3 cameras and decided that small was what the largest section of the market for still cameras wanted and targeted that. hopefully they'll come out with some higher end lenses at photokina. i have heard that the higher end NEX won't come out till after photokina.
    Agreed that the "smallness" of the NEX5 is a big draw and is the calling card here, and the whole design of the product was intended to emphasize that.

    But going by the size they managed to get it down to, along with the incredibly low flange-back distance, clearly a "NEX7" can easily fit in all kinds of manual controls/dials/buttons/built-in flash/EVF/in-body-Image-stabilization etc and still be smaller than a Panasonic GF1 that contains a relatively small sensor. A GF1-sized body is not too bad from a portability standpoint, if it comes with these additional controls, and I will be willing to take that hit on portability, for the extras that it brings.....after all, we are not talking about a Nikon D3X (or even a Nikon D700 or Sony A900 or even a Nikon D60....hell even a Panasonic GH1) sized body here.

    Of course there will always be the NEX5/NEX3 for folks who want to give up some of the manual controls for the size reduction.

    PS: An in-body Image stabilization can be firmware controlled to optionally switch off when a lens with IS is mounted and/or when video is being shot. The advantage here being that the in-body IS system can be used with primes (both system ones and also aftermarket ones).
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    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Here is a review on the new NEX VG10 by LL:

    http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...ers/vg10.shtml
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    But going by the size they managed to get it down to, along with the incredibly low flange-back distance, clearly a "NEX7" can easily fit in all kinds of manual controls/dials/buttons/built-in flash/EVF/in-body-Image-stabilization etc and still be smaller than a Panasonic GF1 that contains a relatively small sensor. A GF1-sized body is not too bad from a portability standpoint, if it comes with these additional controls, and I will be willing to take that hit on portability, for the extras that it brings.....after all, we are not talking about a Nikon D3X (or even a Nikon D700 or Sony A900 or even a Nikon D60....hell even a Panasonic GH1) sized body here.

    Of course there will always be the NEX5/NEX3 for folks who want to give up some of the manual controls for the size reduction.

    PS: An in-body Image stabilization can be firmware controlled to optionally switch off when a lens with IS is mounted and/or when video is being shot. The advantage here being that the in-body IS system can be used with primes (both system ones and also aftermarket ones).
    i would love to have in body image stabilization. as far as size goes anything bigger than the gf1 is unacceptable for me though (the maximum size that i can comfortably fit in a cargo or jacket pocket). gh1 form factor offers no advantage over a dslr for me. as far as controls go just adding 2 or 3 buttons and allowing me to program the functions of a couple of others is all i want (which shouldn't add to the size at all). to be honest, unless i start using autofocus lenses i don't need any extra buttons - just let me use the flash button to set iso when the flash isn't attached (please sony).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Just goes to illustrate the fact a "proof of concept" digital back isn't the real thing.
    Overall, from my brief venture into buying RF lenses for use on the NEX, I have come around to the view that if you are shooting another system natively (like say Leica M), and already have a boatload of lenses, it may be worthwhile to get an adapter to use them on a product like the NEX.

    It is just not worthwhile buying RF lenses specifically for use on the NEX, due to:
    a) Even though there are features that help in finetuning focus, doing that at arm's length is not very user friendly, and results in misfocused images. A rangefinder of course is custom made for quick manual focus, and doing so on a screen is not the same, nor anywhere close to as user friendly (even with the focus help).
    b) These lenses are not cheap - especially the good ones.

    So if/when Sony themselves releases such primes (maybe a Zeiss 21-24mm or so), I will pick them (it) up. Hopefully it will be a Biogon and not a Distagon design, for compactness.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sebboh View Post
    gh1 form factor offers no advantage over a dslr for me.
    Agree, one hundred percent ! Even though most people tend to prefer the "grippy" shape, I find a "bricky" shape to be loads more friendly for portability and would be what I would vote for. A "grippy" GH1 is the same as a small dslr and thus is totally unfriendly from a portability standpoint, as far as I am concerned.

    I doubt Sony would go down the GH1 shaped route however, since they have more than enough dSLRs in their A-mount that are shaped like the GH1. They don't need to route their NEX models down that path, since their philosophy with the NEX seems to be smaller body sizes.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Not for me. The NEX-5 with an M lens and tilt up screen is a revelation for me, and, if the NEX had an A900 sensor in it, I'd probably rarely use my A900 anymore. I find myself nailing focus with NEX at f1.4 most of the time without magnification, and always with 7x mag. I'll get the evf for occasional use when it comes, but I really don't need it. I agree with sebboh that I don't really need more buttons, but, rather, programable button options. I just keep the camera in M mode always, and everything except ISO is right there and easy to adjust. I also wish that the ISO was indicated in the display screen mode with the least info, rather than in the more cluttered display mode.

    I would like some AF Zeiss lenses.



    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Overall, from my brief venture into buying RF lenses for use on the NEX, I have come around to the view that if you are shooting another system natively (like say Leica M), and already have a boatload of lenses, it may be worthwhile to get an adapter to use them on a product like the NEX.

    It is just not worthwhile buying RF lenses specifically for use on the NEX, due to:
    a) Even though there are features that help in finetuning focus, doing that at arm's length is not very user friendly, and results in misfocused images. A rangefinder of course is custom made for quick manual focus, and doing so on a screen is not the same, nor anywhere close to as user friendly (even with the focus help).
    b) These lenses are not cheap - especially the good ones.

    So if/when Sony themselves releases such primes (maybe a Zeiss 21-24mm or so), I will pick them (it) up. Hopefully it will be a Biogon and not a Distagon design, for compactness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Not for me. The NEX-5 with an M lens and tilt up screen is a revelation for me, and, if the NEX had an A900 sensor in it, I'd probably rarely use my A900 anymore. I find myself nailing focus with NEX at f1.4 most of the time without magnification, and always with 7x mag. I'll get the evf for occasional use when it comes, but I really don't need it. I agree with sebboh that I don't really need more buttons, but, rather, programable button options. I just keep the camera in M mode always, and everything except ISO is right there and easy to adjust. I also wish that the ISO was indicated in the display screen mode with the least info, rather than in the more cluttered display mode.

    I would like some AF Zeiss lenses.
    i agree about the manual focusing. i find it quite easy and very accurate. it's not as fast as manual focusing with a rangefinder but just as fast as manual focusing with a film slr and more accurate than both (no focus shift or dependence on proper calibration). i can see how it would be a problem for anyone that needs reading glasses though. i would like a clip on evf or IBIS (or both) for low light though - my most common reason for missed shots is camera movement. with image stabilization on an slr i can shoot 700mm equivalent at 1/30s and get 20% of my images sharp. with such a lightweight camera held away from my body (and no image stabilization) i can barely get 20% of my images sharp at 1/30s with a 63mm equivalent lens!

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    Yeah, I usually hold the camera against my body like a waist level VF camera, so it is still pretty stable. I've rarely been holding out in front of my face.

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Not for me. The NEX-5 with an M lens and tilt up screen is a revelation for me, and, if the NEX had an A900 sensor in it, I'd probably rarely use my A900 anymore. I find myself nailing focus with NEX at f1.4 most of the time without magnification, and always with 7x mag. I'll get the evf for occasional use when it comes, but I really don't need it. I agree with sebboh that I don't really need more buttons, but, rather, programable button options. I just keep the camera in M mode always, and everything except ISO is right there and easy to adjust. I also wish that the ISO was indicated in the display screen mode with the least info, rather than in the more cluttered display mode.

    I would like some AF Zeiss lenses.
    I agree 100% with this view. Manual focus is really easy after a few weeks practice and accurate 100% of the time. I also shoot at waist level most of the time, unless I am specifically trying to look like a tourist.

    I still think the M lenses render better on the M8 (and I'm sure more so on the M9), but sometimes the results with this camera can be just great.

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    Re: Sony NEX-VG10, 18-200 E-mount

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Yeah, I usually hold the camera against my body like a waist level VF camera, so it is still pretty stable. I've rarely been holding out in front of my face.
    yeah, that's what i do when i use the camera for walk around shots. for social pics i prefer a higher perspective and unfortunately these are typically in the worst light. mostly i've just been bumping the iso to 3200 or higher.

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