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    24/2 finally

    http://www.facebook.com/carlzeisslenses

    The 24/2 will be announced next Tuesday according to the above page.
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    Great!

    BUT, it leaves a little, tiny room for doubt in my own mind about FUTURE releases, in that it says that the 24mm *...ROUNDS OUT the existing Planar (SAL85F14Z) and Sonnar (SAL135F18Z) models also developed in conjunction with Carl Zeiss.*

    That leads me to wonder if this mightn't be the last of the ZA lenses for the alpha cameras.

    Hopefully, the copyrighter didn't mean what I think it says.

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    With Sony, everything's possible

    But of course, hopefully not. Just bad wording me thinks. I doubt it if the author would know that much.
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    This is the reason i did not go for the 16-35. I am a prime kind of guy.

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    Carl Zeiss primes are the best of the best, IMO. Although Sony has the 24mm focal length pretty well covered with its 16-35 & 24-70 zooms, I'd love to have a faster wide prime which is well corrected for coma, in order to try doing some night landscapes with stars, but without trailing. This is a pretty demanding task and requires top performance wide open. From what I've read, not many lenses are really up to it, but I'm hoping this one is.

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    The only thing left I would like them to release is a 50/1.2 planar or actually 1.4 would be suffice, with SSM of course.

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    Yeah, I heard one is in the makings. Expected availability date: 2019
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    It's here along with a an 85 f2.8 for full frame and a 35 f1.8 for APS-C

    http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/conti...-now-official/

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    Why is it that DPreview's samples of any lens/camera never impress me at all? This 24mm, based on their samples, looks like a kit lens or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by espressogeek View Post
    Why is it that DPreview's samples of any lens/camera never impress me at all? This 24mm, based on their samples, looks like a kit lens or something.
    A700 not full frame on many of the samples for one...


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    Bob, I agree the use of a the A700 is not idea but even the full frame shots look lame to me. I seem to feel this away about most any shot I see from DPreview. I cant wait to see some samples from other sources.

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    A700 not full frame on many of the samples for one...


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    Quote Originally Posted by espressogeek View Post
    Bob, I agree the use of a the A700 is not idea but even the full frame shots look lame to me. I seem to feel this away about most any shot I see from DPreview. I cant wait to see some samples from other sources.
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    Re: 24/2 finally

    Jono
    Truer words.......
    Too bad they cannot even do a well balanced review.

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    Jono, I don't know if that maxim is universally true but it appears to be so in the case. I've been thinking of swapping to the A850 or A900 for a while and the lack of a Zeiss wide and fifty have been holding me back. It appears that now we are half way there. Perhaps I could make do without the fifty.

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    Re: 24/2 finally

    I'm kind of surprised no one has said anything about the 35/1.8 that appears to be more reasonably priced and will work with the Sony adapter (except for AF).
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    Re: 24/2 finally

    Quote Originally Posted by espressogeek View Post
    Jono, I don't know if that maxim is universally true but it appears to be so in the case. I've been thinking of swapping to the A850 or A900 for a while and the lack of a Zeiss wide and fifty have been holding me back. It appears that now we are half way there. Perhaps I could make do without the fifty.
    Well, worth mentioning that the Sony/minolta 50 f1.4 is a perfectly okay lens - not Zeiss standard maybe (or price), but it works well on the A900.

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    Re: 24/2 finally

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
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    Oh I don't know.......I really enjoyed your M9 review!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    I'm kind of surprised no one has said anything about the 35/1.8 that appears to be more reasonably priced and will work with the Sony adapter (except for AF).
    Hi John
    I think thats because this is the little enclave for Sony FF geeks, and the 35 f1.8, interesting though it may be, is an APSC lens.

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    Jono, Thanks for the info on the 50/1.4. I have used it briefly on my buddies A900 and while it is great stopped down it lacks the resolution I look for when shot wide open. I want to take the A900 with me where I take my 5D today and I need that wide open performance. I could probably live without it by using an alt lens but it would be nice to have a better alternative there. Nikon has proven you can make a great 50/1.4 for a reasonable price and I hope that other companies step up to that level of performance since I shoot 50/1.4 a lot.

    Sorry to have taken this thread off topic. I'm really looking forward to the first real samples of the new 24/2.

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    Re: 24/2 finally

    Quote Originally Posted by espressogeek View Post
    Jono, Thanks for the info on the 50/1.4. I have used it briefly on my buddies A900 and while it is great stopped down it lacks the resolution I look for when shot wide open. I want to take the A900 with me where I take my 5D today and I need that wide open performance. I could probably live without it by using an alt lens but it would be nice to have a better alternative there. Nikon has proven you can make a great 50/1.4 for a reasonable price and I hope that other companies step up to that level of performance since I shoot 50/1.4 a lot.

    Sorry to have taken this thread off topic. I'm really looking forward to the first real samples of the new 24/2.
    Fair enough . . is the Sigma not up to par either?

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    Re: 24/2 finally

    Espresso, there's a chance your friend's Sony 50 needed some AF adjustment. Mine needs around -16 backfocus adjustment on the A900. Granted, only the very center is sharp at f1.4, but, at f2 or more, it doesn't get much sharper from any lens.

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    Douglas, thanks for the suggestion. I actually adjusted it for him and it did require a significant amount of adjustment. We had it shooting dead on after a few minutes of tweaks but still it did not quite do it for me.

    The Sigma 50/1.4, I like that lens and I actually shoot it today on my 5D. I would just like to see Sony go better but I guess I can forgive them for now. I'm just torn when I look at the Nikon system but I guess it doesn't really matter as the D3x is a bit out of reach at the moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Espresso, there's a chance your friend's Sony 50 needed some AF adjustment. Mine needs around -16 backfocus adjustment on the A900. Granted, only the very center is sharp at f1.4, but, at f2 or more, it doesn't get much sharper from any lens.

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    I wouldn't call the Nikon 50mm G better, but, rather different than the Sony 50. It's a classic example of one lens having outrageous center sharpness and average edges vs. another having good center sharpness and good edges. It's a matter of preference.

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    Are you guys doing the adjustments through lens align or some other way. If my 50 is off on NEX it makes no difference because I can see when it is in focus in live view. But I haven't Really shot or adjusted it on A900.

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    You know, I usually start with a printable 45 degree angle test chart, but that doesn't always work, so then a walk around the house and test it on all kinds of things until I get it right.

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    Re: 24/2 finally

    Sonystyle has the Zeiss 24mm f2.0 lens in stock for shipping tomorrow. Any early experience, please share! $1250 seems on paper to be reasonable enough to give this a try. Marc "fotografz", would this supplement the two Zeiss zooms you already have, or is the one stop advantage not enough of a difference (thinking of your fabulous Leica Summilux-M wedding photos)?

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    There are some comparisons of the 24mmm with the two Zeiss zooms and Minolta's old (Leica-related) 24mm of Zurich. The new lens certainly excels at infinity. The 24-70mm is disappointing in the corners for this application. For travel and landscapes, I have been using a Leitax-converted 28-90mm Vario-Elmarit Asph with much better corner performance than the 24-70mm Zeiss (and longer reach). It's particularly good at longer focal lengths and this 24mm tempts me tremendously.
    Last edited by engel001; 11th October 2010 at 12:31.

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    I am still waiting to find somewhere to buy this lens but I have been gathering as much info as possible about it. My impression so far is that it is an amazing lens. At 80% of the image, there is practically no difference between f/2 and f/8. I have not seen a WA lens that performs so well wide open, the clarity and resolution are simply stellar. The corners are quite blurry at f/2 but what is interesting here is that the blur does not start gradually but the border line between sharp and blurry is abrupt, which is a good thing imo. At f/2.8, More than 90% of the image is awesome and the little vignetting seen at f/2 is completely gone. There is no image improvement when stopping down on the sharp area of the image, it's sharp as nails since f/2 but the extreme corners keep on improving. At f/8 it is possible to see some blur in the very extreme corners but I would say just 1-2% of the frame. There is noticeable CA especially in the corners that can be still seen even stopped down. It is the easy to remove by software kind of CA though. There is a lot of praise about the mechanical part of this lens as well, construction, manual focusing action...etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    I am still waiting to find somewhere to buy this lens but I have been gathering as much info as possible about it. My impression so far is that it is an amazing lens. At 80% of the image, there is practically no difference between f/2 and f/8. I have not seen a WA lens that performs so well wide open, the clarity and resolution are simply stellar. The corners are quite blurry at f/2 but what is interesting here is that the blur does not start gradually but the border line between sharp and blurry is abrupt, which is a good thing imo. At f/2.8, More than 90% of the image is awesome and the little vignetting seen at f/2 is completely gone. There is no image improvement when stopping down on the sharp area of the image, it's sharp as nails since f/2 but the extreme corners keep on improving. At f/8 it is possible to see some blur in the very extreme corners but I would say just 1-2% of the frame. There is noticeable CA especially in the corners that can be still seen even stopped down. It is the easy to remove by software kind of CA though. There is a lot of praise about the mechanical part of this lens as well, construction, manual focusing action...etc.
    On my shopping list for sure!

    I've been on a waiting list for this lens for months ... not a peep.

    Any dealer cruseing this forum that gets this puppy, PM or e-mail me immediately please ... I don't want this lens ... I NEED THIS LENS!

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    Marc, Sonystyle has it now. Looking at Amazon or B&H it may take a month or more. The time delay is interesting. - Christopher

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    Quote Originally Posted by engel001 View Post
    Marc, Sonystyle has it now. Looking at Amazon or B&H it may take a month or more. The time delay is interesting. - Christopher
    Thanks so much for the heads up Christopher.

    I'm still on the phone with Sony Style TRYING for the last 1/2 hour to order the damed thing. Idoits.

    Should have it by Friday ... if they don't also screw that up.

    Will shoot a wedding on Saturday with it and report back here.

    8" close focusing at f/2 should be interesting

    BTW, this is why I didn't mind selling my Leica M24/1.4 ASPH to raise cash for a Hassey 35-90 Zoom.

    A Zeiss AF 24/2 makes it a little bit less painful.

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    Re: 24/2 finally

    One more thing worth mentioning is the coma in the corners at f/2 and f/2.8. It is not as well corrected as the 35/1.4 G and ZA 24-70 and just a notch worse than the ZA 16-35. AFAIC, I have never paid attention to coma before because my night shots are on tripod and stopped down, but this coma may be annoying for some users.

    Here are coma comparisons done by a member on Dyxum:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jerome_...7625151510942/
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    Re: 24/2 finally

    Zeiss 24/2 arrived yesterday ... it's a nice size on the A900 ... perfect balance. Fast AF.

    Build quality like the other ZA lenses.

    OOF areas are sublime ... with a beautiful focus fall off. More importantly to me, the front OOF area is creamy-dreamy ... which I haven't seen this nicely done since the Zeiss 55mm for the Contax 645. My initial impression is that this front and rear Bokeh is where it separates itself from the ZA zooms. More on that later once I use them side-by-side in similar conditions.

    Absolutely delicious color and contrast as one would expect.

    At 7.5", it focuses really close, which is dramatic as hell with a 24mm @ f/2. The zoom's min. focus is 1' @ 24/2.8 ... which is quite a difference when working that close up.

    This puppy promises to become my new BFF ... we'll see how it does at the wedding tomorrow.

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    Congratulations for the new lens Marc. Still not available in Thailand

    It's really nice to read your positive impressions especially about the foreground/background bokeh. Hopefully you can show us some samples soon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    Congratulations for the new lens Marc. Still not available in Thailand

    It's really nice to read your positive impressions especially about the foreground/background bokeh. Hopefully you can show us some samples soon?
    Will do as soon as I do some serious shooting with it ... which will be all day tomorrow. Gonna try out the A55 also, but not on anything critical since weddings are to intense to be fussing with a new camera.

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    I am really tempted to get this puppy. On my new A55, this will provide a 36mm FOV in FF terms, even though the lens will probably weigh more than the camera.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Re: 24/2 finally

    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    I am really tempted to get this puppy. On my new A55, this will provide a 36mm FOV in FF terms, even though the lens will probably weigh more than the camera.
    I'll try it on the A55 at today's wedding if I get a chance, and let you know how it works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I'll try it on the A55 at today's wedding if I get a chance, and let you know how it works out.

    -Marc
    Could not stand the indecision and today I went to our local store and picked one up. Since it was dark when I got back, I have not had a chance to give her a whirl yet. But intend to do so tomorrow.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Happy to see self restraint is one of your strong points Roweraay.

    Note to self, seeing as my own self restraint is as strong as Roweraay's, stay away from this thread before these guys start posting images from this lens.

    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Could not stand the indecision and today I went to our local store and picked one up. Since it was dark when I got back, I have not had a chance to give her a whirl yet. But intend to do so tomorrow.
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    In this thread some close focus shots were shown. I'm impressed, especially by the bokeh.

    http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/topic686...38.html#776338

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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    One more thing worth mentioning is the coma in the corners at f/2 and f/2.8. It is not as well corrected as the 35/1.4 G and ZA 24-70 and just a notch worse than the ZA 16-35. AFAIC, I have never paid attention to coma before because my night shots are on tripod and stopped down, but this coma may be annoying for some users.
    I'm of the opinion that Sony/Zeiss don't have the kind of superlative corner performance for their wide-angle lenses that one might expect given their reputation. I wasn't that impressed by the ZA 24-70's corner performance, and was disappointed by the ZA 16-35's corner performance (especially given that it is the newest and most modern design of all the 16-35/2.8 zooms relative to the Nikon and Canon versions). As a result, i'm not at all surprised that ZA 24/2 suffers from coma in the corners (the MTF graphs also predicted this too).
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    This is how it compares to the 24/1.4L II on DPR
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