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    Yes, the R1 was before its time. I used to have one! Not sure why I sold it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coms37 View Post
    One of the concerns I have is lugging around all these lenses again, you will need a shoulder bag, or equivalent, and it will become slightly unhandy.... Why not go for a D3 with a 24-70 2.8 lens which will probably provide a better rendition than all these mentioned lenses anyway.

    I like the Nex, though I rather prefer carrying the X1 around (always) for it does fit in pockets and you can have a good IQ camera with you at all times.
    seriously? i can take the D3, rip out the internals and use it (just the body) as my carrying case for a NEX-5, 16mm pancake, voigtlander 35mm f/1.4, zm 50mm f/1.5, and at least 3 extra batteries (or a possibly a contax g 90mm). i know this because i currently have my NEX-3 sitting next to a D1x (same basic body as the D3) on my desk. who knows what other goodies i could fit in a hollowed out 24-70mm. for an extra 4 pounds and $5000+ the D3 plus 24-70mm had better provide better images then the NEX with these lenses.

    from my experience neither the X1 nor the NEX would fit comfortably in a front pocket (they both do uncomfortably). both fit equally well for me in a jacket or cargo pocket so the shorter lens of the X1 doesn't really provide any real size advantage though it is supposed to be an excellent 35mm equiv lens. i certainly don't need a shoulder bag or any other kind of bag to carry the NEX with 2 lenses (not zooms).

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    Word, sebboh.

    p.s. I'd love to see you actually make a D1x carrying case for your NEX-5. That would be hilarious and awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Word, sebboh.

    p.s. I'd love to see you actually make a D1x carrying case for your NEX-5. That would be hilarious and awesome!
    i would but the D1x is my work's not mine. i'll have to see how much old busted pro bodies are going for on the bay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sebboh View Post
    from my experience neither the X1 nor the NEX would fit comfortably in a front pocket (they both do uncomfortably). both fit equally well for me in a jacket or cargo pocket so the shorter lens of the X1 doesn't really provide any real size advantage though it is supposed to be an excellent 35mm equiv lens. i certainly don't need a shoulder bag or any other kind of bag to carry the NEX with 2 lenses (not zooms).
    Which is where I got to.......
    If I'm being serious I have no problem with a small bag with an M9 and a couple of lenses. If I'm not , then I really want a zoom, in which case pocket-ability is out of the window anyway so I can either carry a bag or use a shoulder strap. In which case one may as well do without the compromises inherent in these cameras and just carry a small DSLR with a zoom. Not a D3 however!

    Currently a weatherproof Pentax K7 with a short zoom and a couple of tiny primes in pockets seems favourite.

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    Which is where I got to.......
    If I'm being serious I have no problem with a small bag with an M9 and a couple of lenses. If I'm not , then I really want a zoom, in which case pocket-ability is out of the window anyway so I can either carry a bag or use a shoulder strap. In which case one may as well do without the compromises inherent in these cameras and just carry a small DSLR with a zoom. Not a D3 however!

    Currently a weatherproof Pentax K7 with a short zoom and a couple of tiny primes in pockets seems favourite.
    that makes sense to me. i am lucky in that i never really got the hang of normal zooms, thus i never think i want them. when i go back through and look at what focal lengths i shot zooms at i find that i use them as oversized primes (90% are at a single focal length).

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    What can I say, I've apparently discovered that I like working with constraints in photography. 50mm or bust!

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    What can I say, I've apparently discovered that I like working with constraints in photography. 50mm or bust!
    A helpful insight.

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    Go figure, I was a tennis coach in my early twenties.

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    Synchronicity strikes again!

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    I don't even like carrying any sort of bag with me. I tend to forget them at cafe's and restaurants and such. I also tend to drop lenses, the camera or both when changing them. The X1 as well as the Nex with the 16 fits in my pockets (any of them) fine, either that or I hang them around my neck, they don't get in the way and they're quite comfortable, you don't really feel them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Go figure, I was a tennis coach in my early twenties.
    I thought you were still in your early twenties Douglas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Sorry, this is absolutely not the case - in fact, the lens with the steepest angle of incidence in the Leica range is the 28mm elmarit asph, which was designed to go with the M8.
    Telecentric lens design adds complications which have ramifications in terms of size and design - Leica and Zeiss and especially Voigtlander are not designing their modern lenses with consideration for modern sensors which don't correct for them. .....
    Thanks, for the clarification. You are right in that if telecentricity (especially required in the wides/ultra-wides) was a big consideration, then the lens(es) would probably be dimensionally larger than some of these small classics.

    these modern lenses are costly (often many times the cost of the NEX) - I think it's pretty rash to assume that they are going to work well on a sensor which wasn't even a consideration during the design procedure. I don't say they WON'T work, just that one shouldn't make assumptions.
    Good point. At least one solid candidate is the ZM 35/2 biogon, and based on deepdiver's posts above, seem to be great performer on the NEX. Seems like the RF lenses have to be tested for compatibility on a case-by-case basis.

    Wondering if anyone know how the Voigtlander 35/1.4 performs on the NEX. The f/1.4, small size/weight and the relatively cheap price is certainly an attraction for me.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    I would say that deepdiver's tests are inconclusive at this point. The corner crops at the bottom are too close to the shooter, and the top crops aren't in the top corners. Jury is still out for me.

    I'm also anxious to see the CV 35 1.4 on NEX. If that lens doesn't smear, thqn it would possibly be my first choice. It does have some barrel distortion issues, but that could be good news, because more retro-focus wides have a problem with distortion, and retro-focus could mean good corners for NEX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I would say that deepdiver's tests are inconclusive at this point. The corner crops at the bottom are too close to the shooter, and the top crops aren't in the top corners. Jury is still out for me..
    Actually all four of his crops cover the four extreme corners. Check it again. I am pleasantly impressed, especially considering that it is an in-camera JPG and not something done with some careful additional processing.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    The top two crops don't have anything with detail in the corners. It's just sky. The veiling glare from the sun makes it difficult to tell, also. We need a solid scene of buildings that extends to the top of the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    The top two crops don't have anything with detail in the corners. It's just sky. The veiling glare from the sun makes it difficult to tell, also. We need a solid scene of buildings that extends to the top of the frame.
    But the bottom two crops do go into the very corners and do have quite a bit of detail, right ? Those two should suffice to gauge how the corners perform, I would imagine ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Yes, the R1 was before its time. I used to have one! Not sure why I sold it...
    I've still got mine... where can I get a sensor upgrade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    But the bottom two crops do go into the very corners and do have quite a bit of detail, right ? Those two should suffice to gauge how the corners perform, I would imagine ?

    Ha! I was just about to say that I'm not even convinced that deepdiver focused that shot at infinity, because the bushes in front are so in-focus, but then I realized that those examples are from his Leica 18/3.8, not the ZM 35/2. Doh! That DOF makes a lot more sense to me now. The Leica 18mm is a modern, retrofocus design that was introduced last year. It's relatively gigantic in M lens terms, and it appears to handle the corners quite well. The ZM 18mm Distagon is a cheaper alternative that I'm betting also performs well at the edges, due to its retro-focus design (also pretty large in size.)

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    Ha! I was just about to say that I'm not even convinced that deepdiver focused that shot at infinity, because the bushes in front are so in-focus, but then I realized that those examples are from his Leica 18/3.8, not the ZM 35/2. Doh! That DOF makes a lot more sense to me now. The Leica 18mm is a modern, retrofocus design that was introduced last year. It's relatively gigantic in M lens terms, and it appears to handle the corners quite well. The ZM 18mm Distagon is a cheaper alternative that I'm betting also performs well at the edges, due to its retro-focus design (also pretty large in size.)
    That is true ! Those shots were from the 18/3.8.

    However, he did state that:
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    Sorry i did not bring the infinity photo with ZM 35 today.
    I tried it yesterday, It's really good... did not see any smearing at all
    will post it later.
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    So I guess you are in the "trust, but verify" mode ? !
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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Ha! I was just about to say that I'm not even convinced that deepdiver focused that shot at infinity, because the bushes in front are so in-focus, but then I realized that those examples are from his Leica 18/3.8, not the ZM 35/2. Doh! That DOF makes a lot more sense to me now. The Leica 18mm is a modern, retrofocus design that was introduced last year.
    But, worth mentioning, that the 18 SE has been the cause of more argument and corner problem with the M9 than almost any other leica lens.

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    Hmm, very interesting.

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    NEX5 with Pen F 25/4. The image circle covers the sensor but there is vignetting. Will post samples of this and a Pen F 38/1.8.

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    So, who's buying all the Minolta MC 35/1.8's and 50/58 1.2's now, if it's not the NEX crowd?

    Don't forget the 45mm if you wanna get tiny.

    Okay, probably not up to snuff with the Euroglass you guys are throwing around here, but the prices seem to be staying high (if not going up), so someone's buying them for something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsking View Post
    So, who's buying all the Minolta MC 35/1.8's and 50/58 1.2's now, if it's not the NEX crowd?

    Don't forget the 45mm if you wanna get tiny.

    Okay, probably not up to snuff with the Euroglass you guys are throwing around here, but the prices seem to be staying high (if not going up), so someone's buying them for something.
    they are all quite easy to convert to canon or alpha mount. even nikon mount though it's a bit tougher and infinity is doubtful. you can mount them on 4/3 and µ4/3 with an adapter too, so there's lots of reason for demand. i believe it's the canon people really driving up the prices over the past couple years once the conversion became widely known and conversion kits started to be sold. the 45mm is still quite cheap though. got mine for under $5 dollars a few months ago. performance is pretty good too even if build quality isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsking View Post
    So, who's buying all the Minolta MC 35/1.8's and 50/58 1.2's now, if it's not the NEX crowd?
    Well, being a dSLR lens, the adapter is going to be really thick, which makes even a small lens look huge. That is precisely where the RF lenses come in, with their smaller flange-back distances (and hence slimmer adapters), even though the performance seems to be a hit-and-miss with them.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Agreed, roweraay. That's why I'm so interested in M lens performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Well, being a dSLR lens, the adapter is going to be really thick, which makes even a small lens look huge. That is precisely where the RF lenses come in, with their smaller flange-back distances (and hence slimmer adapters), even though the performance seems to be a hit-and-miss with them.
    Aha, gotcha. That must be the reason that none of the lenses rang a bell with me.

    And I suppose that getting TTL capability with a RF lens adds a new dimension to it.

    I was never really that excited with my 58 1.2 on my A750, because it's just too hard to focus with the useless focusing screen. Even the confirm light doesn't help much. Figured FF or now the NEX would breathe new life into it. Well, once I run out of K-14.

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    This thread and a few other Nex5 threads are very reminiscent of the Epson R1 threads to me. Absolutely fascinating the results and experiences obtainable from such a wide variation of ancient and modern lenses with the added advantage of that view screen for TTL focusing.
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    Okay Okay Okay - as a service to the forum I've bought one of these little buggers - I shall now do some testing on various M lenses, just for Douglas's benefit.

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    unfortunately I dont have the adapter yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Okay Okay Okay - as a service to the forum I've bought one of these little buggers - I shall now do some testing on various M lenses, just for Douglas's benefit.

    WATE
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    unfortunately I dont have the adapter yet!

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    "as a service to the forum"... Have to remember this one, when my better half tries to oppose my next camera purchase. A lot to lean here on this forum. Not just about photography .

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    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    "as a service to the forum"... Have to remember this one, when my better half tries to oppose my next camera purchase. A lot to lean here on this forum. Not just about photography .
    Ahh - my better half never opposes my camera purchases . . . . but then I don't grumble about the horses either!

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    Thanks, Jono. You shouldn't have!

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    Thanks, Jono. You shouldn't have!
    It's just that you're such a nice guy Douglas . . . I simply couldn't resist

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    You're too kind. I'll be sure to PM you the address to send your old, dilapidated M9 to.

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    Last night I was at a book signing at ModernBook in San Francisco. This is the final part of a class I took at Stanford on making photo books. Excellent class!!! I used the Contax G 35mm lens. I had the metering set to matrix but looking at the shots when I got home it was user error and I would have been much better served with center weighted. Most shots underexposed but I've boosted the exposures by in many cases more than a full stop. I was stopped about a dozen times with people asking about the camera. They had heard about it but hadn't seen it in the flesh. They were pretty shocked at the size.

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    Congratulations, Jono!
    I guess after the Apple RAW support update it was just impossible to resist. Did you try conversion in A3 yet? I think it does a nice job, though not as sharp as RPP.

    I compared A3 to in-camera jpg and did not see much difference.

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    Nice pics Terry, can't wait to shoot with the 35 Planar. Someone should petition Sony/Zeiss to build AF versions of Contax G lenses pronto!

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Nice pics Terry, can't wait to shoot with the 35 Planar. Someone should petition Sony/Zeiss to build AF versions of Contax G lenses pronto!
    For all we know, they (or maybe close relatives of the Contax G lenses) may already be in the works, as we speak.

    Mr.Masashi Imamura, the president of the Sound and Imaging group of Sony, already stated (on January, 2010) that Zeiss is involved in designing future lenses for NEX. Since it has been several months since he stated that, I would not be surprised to see a few NEX lens surprises during Photokina.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

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    You're too kind. I'll be sure to PM you the address to send your old, dilapidated M9 to.
    Don't push it mate, or I'll set Simeon on you:

    N.B. first published shot with NEX5 (16mmlens f5). it added it's own vignetting

    by the way, which M9 do you want?

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

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    N.B. first published shot with NEX5 (16mmlens f5). it added it's own vignetting
    And you added the distortion ???

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    And you added the distortion ???
    No No - clever lens added that too

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    by the way, which M9 do you want?
    Oh, you have to rub it in, don't you?! Nice shot above.

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    Oh, you have to rub it in, don't you?! Nice shot above.
    Yes Douglas . . . but I'm 57 and I have a floppy wrist . . . maybe we can do some kind of a deal?

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    Yes Douglas . . . but I'm 57 and I have a floppy wrist . . . maybe we can do some kind of a deal?

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    Oh! I think that's rather unkind; one would have been quite enough

    Just this guy you know

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    Oh! I think that's rather unkind; one would have been quite enough
    Well, you're off the hook. I just ordered a black NEX-5 with the 16mm, the Alpha adapter, an M adapter...and I'm still trying to decide on a 35mm lens. I'll probably rent the CV 35 1.4 once the camera arrives.

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    ...and I'm still trying to decide on a 35mm lens. .
    Same predicament as me. I am looking at both the 35mms and 28mms, but thus far there have been no confirmed RF lenses that will pass muster....well maybe the ZM Biogon 35/2.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

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    Okay Okay Okay - as a service to the forum I've bought one of these little buggers - I shall now do some testing on various M lenses, just for Douglas's benefit.

    WATE
    MATE
    28 'cron
    35 'lux and summarit
    50 'lux
    75 'cron
    90 elmarit

    unfortunately I dont have the adapter yet!

    Such altruism
    bring the camera to Belgium -- with the M adaptor!

    one of the things i'd really like to see is the quality with older M lenses -- how the NEX handles the lower contrast, increased micro-contrast.

    on some digital sensors, the older lenses can look muddy whereas others seem to shine with finer detail (as long as you do proper PP).

    i'd especially like to see them with some higher ISO shots (which are always very tricky)... anyways, i have a handful of oldies but goodies for you to play with. off the top of my head:

    25/3.5 Canon
    v.1 35 'cron
    pre-asph 35 'lux
    50 'lux (second version)
    E58 Nocti
    75 'lux

    i imagine the Super Angulon is too deep, though, non?

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    non?
    Sounds like the assimilation is complete...

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