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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

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    Sounds like the assimilation is complete...
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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Same predicament as me. I am looking at both the 35mms and 28mms, but thus far there have been no confirmed RF lenses that will pass muster....well maybe the ZM Biogon 35/2.
    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Well, you're off the hook. I just ordered a black NEX-5 with the 16mm, the Alpha adapter, an M adapter...and I'm still trying to decide on a 35mm lens. I'll probably rent the CV 35 1.4 once the camera arrives.
    I've just ordered the adapters this morning.
    35s I'll be testing:
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    35 f2.5 summarit
    35 f1.4 lux

    I'm rather banking on the summarit

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

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    bring the camera to Belgium -- with the M adaptor!

    one of the things i'd really like to see is the quality with older M lenses -- how the NEX handles the lower contrast, increased micro-contrast.

    on some digital sensors, the older lenses can look muddy whereas others seem to shine with finer detail (as long as you do proper PP).

    i'd especially like to see them with some higher ISO shots (which are always very tricky)... anyways, i have a handful of oldies but goodies for you to play with. off the top of my head:

    25/3.5 Canon
    v.1 35 'cron
    pre-asph 35 'lux
    50 'lux (second version)
    E58 Nocti
    75 'lux

    i imagine the Super Angulon is too deep, though, non?
    Hi Cam
    it sounds like fun - I'll try and get there early enough to test this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Sounds like the assimilation is complete...
    oui.

    (eta: always glad to amuse you )
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    Hi Cam
    it sounds like fun - I'll try and get there early enough to test this stuff.
    Have you got a good brick wall
    the best!

    more than one, actually.

    and did i mention the lovely pile of antique bricks sitting on my doorstep? traditional reds, faded greys, charcoal, pink, you name it, we got it... they're not mine, mind you, but i'm sure we can borrow them

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    the best!

    more than one, actually.

    and did i mention the lovely pile of antique bricks sitting on my doorstep? traditional reds, faded greys, charcoal, pink, you name it, we got it... they're not mine, mind you, but i'm sure we can borrow them
    Wonderful - we can spend a happy hour doing some tests with the different lenses - then you can process them all and post them

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Wonderful - we can spend a happy hour doing some tests with the different lenses - then you can process them all and post them


    ummmmmm....

    i don't know how to process brick walls

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post


    ummmmmm....

    i don't know how to process brick walls
    What not enough motion blur for your tastes? (only meant in a fun spirit!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    What nit enough motion blur for your tastes? (only meant in a fun spirit!)
    you got it!

    (and not to worry, i took it as such... touchÚ!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I've just ordered the adapters this morning.
    35s I'll be testing:
    MATE
    35 f2.5 summarit
    35 f1.4 lux

    I'm rather banking on the summarit
    Thanks. I found somebody selling a 35 Summicron (6 elements, ROM and "Made in Germany") with box etc for around $1300. Glass is super-clean but has some wear on the barrel. Worth it ? Or would a new ZM Biogon 35/2 be a better bet ?

    PS: I am not that familiar with the M-lenses.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    I'd be interested to see if anyone has tried the Zeiss 25mm f2.8 M mount lens on the NEX? I'm looking for a good ~35mm equivalent.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Thanks. I found somebody selling a 35 Summicron (6 elements, ROM and "Made in Germany") with box etc for around $1300. Glass is super-clean but has some wear on the barrel. Worth it ? Or would a new ZM Biogon 35/2 be a better bet ?

    PS: I am not that familiar with the M-lenses.
    Sounds like an R lens to me, and not an M lens.
    No ROM in R lenses

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Sounds like an R lens to me, and not an M lens.
    No ROM in R lenses
    Yes, you are right. It is an R lens. And the price dropped down to $1150+shipping. I thought I had a great deal, before you broke the bubble !

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=263602_263622
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Yes, you are right. It is an R lens. And the price dropped down to $1150+shipping. I thought I had a great deal, before you broke the bubble !
    I'm sorry . . . . but maybe I saved you a bob or two?

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    I'd be interested to see if anyone has tried the Zeiss 25mm f2.8 M mount lens on the NEX? I'm looking for a good ~35mm equivalent.

    Cheers,
    I'll be interested as well . . . haven't got one I'm afraid, but I must say I wouldn't hold out too much hope.

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Well, I've decided to risk it and I ordered a Voigtlander 35 1.4 S.C. I figure that if the corners are terrible, I can resell it, but I can't imagine them being THAT bad. We'll see. I got the S.C. version for a more classic look, and I think it'll be easier to sell if need be.

    The CV 35 1.4 is kind of a poor man's pre-asph Summilux 35. It's actually sharper wide open, but it pays for that with a bit of distortion and a bit less pleasing bokeh wide open. I'm hoping the 1.5x crop equalizes the distortion some, and LR has good lens correction (when it supports NEX.) Stopped down, they're both excellent. I figure that the CV is so much cheaper that it was worth the risk. Plus, this winter I may be visiting my uncle, and I'll try to raid his unused M lens collection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Same predicament as me. I am looking at both the 35mms and 28mms, but thus far there have been no confirmed RF lenses that will pass muster....well maybe the ZM Biogon 35/2.
    35/2 Contax G Planar is pretty much confirmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I'll be interested as well . . . haven't got one I'm afraid, but I must say I wouldn't hold out too much hope.
    I'm testing mine out, but there are some problems. This one was shot on daylight wb and processed in Aperture3. I did nothing in PS except size and sharpen lightly. Note the magenta. It isn't always this noticeable, but bright sky shows it at its worst.
    There is such a nice look to the rendering of this lens.

    F8 and focused on the lighthouse Zeiss 25 f/2.8/NEX5
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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Cindy,

    The magenta cast you speak of is barely visible on my screen. It will be interesting to see how different applications process the RAW files.
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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Here is a pano right out of the camera (jpg) made with Contax 90 f/2.8 at f8 (portrait position for pano). I love the two Contax lenses that I have for my NEX5 (35mm, 90mm).
    I find this a little flat and would do some post on this one.


    This pano looks like it could use some sharpening now that I put it up here. I think it is the jpeg compression, but maybe the pano engine (or the operator) are at fault. The lens is plenty sharp.
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    An HDR (3) with the Contax 90 f/2.8 at F8. I adjusted the curve a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I'm sorry . . . . but maybe I saved you a bob or two?
    Yes, you sure did ! Thanks.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    35/2 Contax G Planar is pretty much confirmed.
    I didn't test it today, but my CV 28 f/1.9 looks promising. It was good on micro 4/3, so it should be good on the NEX. I'll post something this week after I test it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Well, I've decided to risk it and I ordered a Voigtlander 35 1.4 S.C. I figure that if the corners are terrible, I can resell it, but I can't imagine them being THAT bad. We'll see.
    Thanks for stepping up and volunteering to be the guinea pig ! The price (brand-new), the max aperture and the lightness are all highly attractive factors in the lens's favor. I might opt for the MC version, however (depending on how your tests turn out).
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    I'm testing mine out, but there are some problems. This one was shot on daylight wb and processed in Aperture3. I did nothing in PS except size and sharpen lightly. Note the magenta. It isn't always this noticeable, but bright sky shows it at its worst.
    There is such a nice look to the rendering of this lens.
    Cindy,

    Thanks for answering this one. We need a Cornerfix for this one too I guess. You wouldn't happen to have tried the CV 28mm f2 Ultron would you?

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    35/2 Contax G Planar is pretty much confirmed.
    Definitely some valuable bit of information. So I guess the 35/2 Contax G, 35/2 Zeiss ZM Biogon are both viable options.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    Cindy,

    Thanks for answering this one. We need a Cornerfix for this one too I guess. You wouldn't happen to have tried the CV 28mm f2 Ultron would you?

    Cheers,
    No, I don't have the 28 f/2 version.
    I would love to see if we can get a Cornerfix profile for this lens. It is a nice size on the NEX, too.

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    If I'm not mistaken, you've shot with the CV 28 (maybe the earlier f1.9 version), how would you rate the Zeiss 25 against the CV (in terms of IQ)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Definitely some valuable bit of information. So I guess the 35/2 Contax G, 35/2 Zeiss ZM Biogon are both viable options.
    Bear in mind the Biogon and the Planar are completely different optical designs, the Planar more of an 'SLR' style and the Biogon more 'RF', generally speaking. The Planar working well on the NEX doesn't guarantee the Biogon will also.

    From earlier in the thread: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...1&postcount=15

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, you've shot with the CV 28 (maybe the earlier f1.9 version), how would you rate the Zeiss 25 against the CV (in terms of IQ)?

    Cheers,
    Yes, Simon. I have the f/1.9 28mm CV. I will try to shoot it along side the 25 Biogon this week. (I'm not keen on lens testing), but I'll post some informal results. Remember that the CV 28 f/1.9 and the CV 28 f/2 did not give the same results on micro 4/3. CV 28 f/2 had a smearing problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Yes, Simon. I have the f/1.9 28mm CV. I will try to shoot it along side the 25 Biogon this week. (I'm not keen on lens testing), but I'll post some informal results. Remember that the CV 28 f/1.9 and the CV 28 f/2 did not give the same results on micro 4/3. CV 28 f/2 had a smearing problem.
    Yes, Cindy, I had the f1.9 also and used it to great result on my R-D1 cameras. Please don't do any brick wall/newspaper tests, I'd rather see images that were taken for their own merit and see the results that way. (I'm one of the minority that don't seem to shoot walls and newspapers as subjects.)

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    Yes, Cindy, I had the f1.9 also and used it to great result on my R-D1 cameras. Please don't do any brick wall/newspaper tests, I'd rather see images that were taken for their own merit and see the results that way. (I'm one of the minority that don't seem to shoot walls and newspapers as subjects.)

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    Rest assured, Simon, you won't see brick walls from me. I don't do that kind of testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Bear in mind the Biogon and the Planar are completely different optical designs, the Planar more of an 'SLR' style and the Biogon more 'RF', generally speaking. The Planar working well on the NEX doesn't guarantee the Biogon will also.

    From earlier in the thread: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...1&postcount=15
    Thanks. I am referring to deepdiver's posts in the first page, with the ZM 32/2 biogon and he states that it performs well on the NEX:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...8&postcount=19
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Thanks for stepping up and volunteering to be the guinea pig ! The price (brand-new), the max aperture and the lightness are all highly attractive factors in the lens's favor. I might opt for the MC version, however (depending on how your tests turn out).
    From what I understand, the difference between the sc and mc versions is terribly slight. The sc is harder to find, so I figured it would be easier to sell if the lens doesn't work, and I like the idea of a slightly more vintage look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roweraay View Post
    Thanks. I am referring to deepdiver's posts in the first page, with the ZM 32/2 biogon and he states that it performs well on the NEX
    Very good. One advantage of the Contax G 35 Planar is closer focusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    Yes, Cindy, I had the f1.9 also and used it to great result on my R-D1 cameras. Please don't do any brick wall/newspaper tests, I'd rather see images that were taken for their own merit and see the results that way. (I'm one of the minority that don't seem to shoot walls and newspapers as subjects.)
    Simon,

    that's partially where i'm coming from, voyeuristically at least, as i've been shooting with the R-D1 since my M8 got kind of lost on its way to service... anyways, it's been interesting seeing them on the 1.5 crop again and i've found a new love for my older lenses... i think that may have to do with the sensor, more than the crop, which is why i'd really like to see these on the NEX.

    i can assure you Jono won't do any traditional brick wall testing either -- he and i were joking. kind of. there is an awful lot of brick where i'm living now

    i will pull out my old 21 Elmarit as well, the lens i got with my R-D1 that typically gets neglected since i tend to favour the look of the Super Angulon on the M8 or my M2... on the NEX, it only gives you a 31mm view, but it might be of interest...

    and, truly, that old Canon 25/3.5 is kind of a gem that can be got for very little. it's a teeny lens and can give a kind of old world look to pics whilst it sharpens up quite nicely with a little PP and you can always add contrast. the biggest mark against it would probably be flare.

    the wider lenses i have are probably what Jono would be more interested in playing with anyways... sorry i don't have more.

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Well, I'm actually a defender of brick walls.
    I know it's terribly infra dig these days, and it's got nothing to do with how a lens draws, but IMVHO it's the only sensible way to find out:

    1. how sharp it is in the centre corners and edges
    2. whether there's any curvature of plane of focus
    3. what the distortion is like

    Of course, this is absolutely not the be-all and end-all, but knowledge is power and it's good to understand what's going on, and avoiding the pitfalls.

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    Agreed, Jono. The whole corner smearing thing makes it a particularly useful test.

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    Re: Best "non-Nex" Lenses

    in that case, we have brick walls galore in our back (front?) yard, of assorted colours and darkness, depending on your preference... not to mention that the town is full of them, so finding a spot with good light shouldn't be an issue (unless it's pissing down with rain).

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    Those tests have a purpose I suppose, but the true test is how you like the lens and its results in real world shooting. For example, I very often use a vignette... the lens can do that for me? Far out! Likewise, if I'm shooting mostly B&W, a very slight magenta cast in some places is unlikely to have a significant effect.

    Knowing the root cause of these things is all well and good, but I think too many people agonize over things that are invisible to 95% of the people who view our work. The advances that digital has allowed us have, in a sense, dulled our minds to the subject and its portrayal by having us dwell on technical minutia. We did great work with quite featureless and primative cameras years ago... a good image is a good image!

    Look at those shooting with Holgas and Dianas etc. There's a whole genre that embraces the deficits of the equipment they use and its widely considered to be art.

    Sorry, just Sunday morning early ramblings!

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    Simon,

    i'm with you on this... which is why i think you might like the little Canon. a lot! as long as you don't mind the slow speed (f/4) is really the widest it should be shot, i think it's a gem.

    i shoot so much through glass and the like, that sometimes i forget when i've judged a lens by how it cuts through such surfaces... the single coating on this makes it a little less hardy in those situations whereas, if you're shooting straight on, it makes it fab for black and white work.

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    Simon, I could generally agree with that, but I think the smearing issue in mirrorless cameras is an anamoly that I need to know about prior to purchasing expensive lenses. I own a Diana+, and I love its behavior and unpredictability, but I don't use it for every shot, and I sometimes want a camera that is sharp in the corners when stopped down. I see nothing wrong with knowing the behavior of your tools in order to better apply them.

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    Those tests have a purpose I suppose, but the true test is how you like the lens and its results in real world shooting. For example, I very often use a vignette... the lens can do that for me? Far out! Likewise, if I'm shooting mostly B&W, a very slight magenta cast in some places is unlikely to have a significant effect.

    Knowing the root cause of these things is all well and good, but I think too many people agonize over things that are invisible to 95% of the people who view our work. The advances that digital has allowed us have, in a sense, dulled our minds to the subject and its portrayal by having us dwell on technical minutia. We did great work with quite featureless and primative cameras years ago... a good image is a good image!

    Look at those shooting with Holgas and Dianas etc. There's a whole genre that embraces the deficits of the equipment they use and its widely considered to be art.

    Sorry, just Sunday morning early ramblings!

    Ciao,
    Hi Simon - I completely agree with you, but I still test lenses when I get them, so many are out of alignment and should go back, and again, it's really hard to see in normal use. After that I forget.

    But right now, knowing which M lenses will cause smearing at the corners is relevant.

    I quite agree with you about the 25 Zeiss, that much Magenta on a grey sky wouldn't worry me the slightest.

    I really do agree - my mantra is:

    if it's an interesting image, nobody cares if it's good technically . . . and if it isn't interesting, then nobody cares at all!

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    Ah, the espresso is kicking in... I'm really feeling much better now. I don't want to get on the cart.

    Ciao,

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    Ah, the espresso is kicking in... I'm really feeling much better now. I don't want to get on the cart.

    Ciao,
    I've just got my first glass of wine . . . I don't want to get on the wagon!

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    I've just got my first glass of wine . . . I don't want to get on the wagon!
    bombay sapphire for me

    and dealing with a wonky rangefinder... sigh.
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    bombay sapphire for me

    i know this isn't the proper thread, but what the hey... does the NEX have shutter priority?
    Yes it does . . . I haven't tried it though, but I should have used it today.
    The controls are, at first look (and dpreview review) completely bonkers, but there is a kind of crazed logic about it all . . . We went out riding this afternoon, and it was easy to use on a slightly stroppy and impatient horse with one floppy wrist, which says something . . yes! it says it's time for another glass of wine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    bombay sapphire for me

    i know this isn't the proper thread, but what the hey... does the NEX have shutter priority?
    yep, A, S, and M mode are all there along with i know not what other modes.

    as far as brick wall tests go, they're useful, i just don't want to be the one doing them. they're not near as much fun as taking actual pictures.

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    lol! thank you both! i took out my question because i wasn't sure it was appropriate

    anyways, way cool to know. i've found my handholding skills aren't as good as most camera's automatic mode, so this is really great. i really am enjoying the look of the files and can't wait until i see more with alternative lenses.

    thank you all for allowing me to join in voyeuristically (and with lust -- just no money).

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I see nothing wrong with knowing the behavior of your tools in order to better apply them.
    Can't wait for your feedback regarding the CV 35/1.4.

    I am also looking at maybe some wider options that provide a 35mm equivalent (24mm, 25mm etc), since I have always loved the 35mm FOV, for my walkarounds. In other words, I am pretty much game for lenses from 24mm - 35mm (35mm - 50mm FOV in FF terms) currently, if the lens is otherwise not problematic on the NEX.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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