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    NEX - Firmware and Lenses

    OK - October is the firmware update to include:

    Available from mid-October, a firmware update adds fresh functionality to the NEX-5/NEX-3. Autofocus operation is now supported when using A-mount SAM and SSM lenses with the optional LA-EA1 Mount Adaptor. There’s also a new custom function that allows assignment to buttons of frequently-used functions, plus a new function to record movies with setup aperture.

    Lenses:
    Wide fixed focal length CZ : available from 2011
    Telephoto zoom : available from 2011
    Macro : available from 2011
    Portrait : available from 2011
    High performance standard zoom G : available from 2012
    Wide zoom : available from 2012
    Mid-telephoto : available from 2012

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    No talk of an EVF? That's really disappointing.

    Cheers,

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    Re: NEX - Firmware and Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    No talk of an EVF? That's really disappointing.

    Cheers,
    That plus lack of any flash connectivity (other than the peanut flash).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That plus lack of any flash connectivity (other than the peanut flash).
    There are pictures of a bigger Brazil nut version coming....

    from dpreview

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    Wow, I am really disappointed in the timeline for the new lenses.


    Pics at dpreview (scroll towards bottom to see lens mock ups) also disappoint. I want compact lenses.
    Last edited by tom in mpls; 21st September 2010 at 05:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom in mpls View Post
    Wow, I am really disappointed in the timeline for the new lenses.
    That is sort of on par with m4/3
    Two zooms at launch Sept 2008
    7-14 and 14-140 late spring 2009
    20mm 45 the fall 2009

    I suspect we will see the next new for CES in January or PMA

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    I'm disappointed, so far, by no EVF info and what looks to be rather large lenses. I guess the good news is that the lenses may be fast, but none are of the pancake variety. Just one tiny 35-50mm equivalent pancake prime would be nice, and both Panny and Samsung seem to have no problem doing it. At that size, the Zeiss lens had better be an f1.4. Here is a pic of the 2011 release lenses from Masterbrew on dpr (I didn't label them, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of the labels.) If I could dream, I would hope the Zeiss is a 35 f1.4 (equivalent) and the macro is a 50mm f2 or 2.8 (equivalent.)

    Last edited by douglasf13; 21st September 2010 at 05:47.

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    Re: NEX - Firmware and Lenses

    p.s. I forgot to mention that I'm happy about the button reassignment. Hopefully, the ISO button issue will be a thing of the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    p.s. I forgot to mention that I'm happy about the button reassignment. Hopefully, the ISO button issue will be a thing of the past.
    I will wait what v3.0 would do before being happy.

    Could they not find an unchipped plastic barrel with a Zeiss logo?

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    Other than the firmware upgrade this is pretty disappointing without small high quality lenses and an EVF. I will be ordering the Fuji X100 ($1,000 March 11) as quick as it is available.
    It seems that Sony understood size advantage when they developed the NEX but forgot to tell their lens department that small high quality lenses were needed to match the small body. Look at how compact the Fuji F2 35mm equivalent lens is in the X100. I really like the NEX sensor quality and performance but find that without putting a Leica lens on it the image quality just isn't there with the soft lenses and the need for a 35mm (equivalent) small fast lens has been ignored. If size were not the issue, the A33 or A55 would be better choices.
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    Although I will probably buy an X100 for fun as well, it should be noted that the size of that camera's lens is misleading. By using a bit of visual trickery, many of the X100's lens elements are actually inside the camera body and extend right up next to the sensor, and that is the advantage of the fixed lens design. If the lens on the X100 was detachable, it would be quite a bit larger.

    Still, I agree that not one normal pancake option, like the Samsung 30mm f2, is a silly decision by Sony.

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    At least there is a portrait, so don't complain too much. Speaking from a m4/3 user.

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    I'm aware that a lot of the lens resides in the body but it is still of pancake dimension.
    V/r John

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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    I'm aware that a lot of the lens resides in the body but it is still of pancake dimension.
    Looks like it is going to be a great camera....just need to make a decision on single fixed prime vs. versatility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I'm disappointed, so far, by no EVF info and what looks to be rather large lenses.
    They are captioned as 'mockups.' So they may not end up being as large.

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    Interchangeable lenses would be fantastic and they will probably come out with a future model that has interchangeable lenses. For those occasions when I need wide angle the Sony is hard to beat, especially with the panorama mode. A couple of adapters (A WA and a TELE) for the fuji would cover 90% of my needs.
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    I am very excited about this. I hope I can change that big center button to manual focus zoom, and the lower soft key to ISO (looks that way, in the pic.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I am very excited about this. I hope I can change that big center button to manual focus zoom, and the lower soft key to ISO (looks that way, in the pic.)
    sweet! i'll be changing the bottom button to iso, the center button to manual focus assist, and the flash button to mode (A,S,M,etc)

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    Yeah, I hope we can reassign the 4 way controller buttons, as well as the big center button, but, either way it's a big improvement.

    Sony is an EVF and a digital focus distance scale (for zone focusing) away from making me a happy camper, although I do wish the new lenses were smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I am very excited about this. I hope I can change that big center button to manual focus zoom, and the lower soft key to ISO (looks that way, in the pic.)
    Another thumbs up for this!

    If can stop myself trying to take the cam to my eye and cursing after realizing the absent EVF, I may even be able to use the NEX-5 more.

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    Perhaps we really owe a big thank you to DPReview. I am sure that such a high profile thrashing of the user interface was a key driver of getting Sony to work hard on this firmware update.

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    I do not think I would share that view. Personally, I could not care less if a "review" outfit thrashes or praises anything.

    IIRC, they were pissed that they were not given access to production samples before others.

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Perhaps we really owe a big thank you to DPReview. I am sure that such a high profile thrashing of the user interface was a key driver of getting Sony to work hard on this firmware update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I do not think I would share that view. Personally, I could not care less if a "review" outfit thrashes or praises anything.

    IIRC, they were pissed that they were not given access to production samples before others.
    You might not care at all. My opinion was that Sony does care.

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    Of course, you are entitled to your opinions, Terry.

    "We" if it does not refer to you alone is a bit of a stretch imagining dprevs made Sony change things.

    Dpreviews also said things about the flash. Did Sony change the mount?

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    Software changes are quite different than major tooling changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Of course, you are entitled to your opinions, Terry.

    "We" if it does not refer to you alone is a bit of a stretch imagining dprevs made Sony change things.

    Dpreviews also said things about the flash. Did Sony change the mount?
    Fair enough with my use of we.

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    You at least spoke for two of us so "we" is fine with me.
    V/r John

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    Terry, You are classy lady.

    Lots of people (outfits/reviews) made noise about the interface and the many clicks to get to an ISO change, even a NY times (IIRC) reviewer did that. It is possible that you take part in dpreview fora actively and I rarely look at their site.

    Good for the potential users (me being one of the "potential" user ), the buttons can be assigned different functions

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleksanderpolo View Post
    At least there is a portrait, so don't complain too much. Speaking from a m4/3 user.
    The macro 45/2.8 does well as a portrait lens IMO as long as you turn on the limit switch.
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    For better or worse, dpreview probably has as much or more influence on camera makers as any other review site/publication. I too suspect that their criticism influenced Sony on such an easy fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Yeah, I hope we can reassign the 4 way controller buttons, as well as the big center button, but, either way it's a big improvement.
    I think that will be something we will see in future as Sony Ericsson feature phones have that function and is one of the reason I liked their feature phones more than the touch screen phones. Since it's believed the SE developers are the one's who did the UI for NEX, it's just a matter of time, I believe.

    The round steel circle can be assigned 4 functions (by pressing in different directions) and the middle one the 5th one on almost all SE phones in last 3-4 years.


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    Here is more info on how the new assignable buttons will work.

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1285109120.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Here is more info on how the new assignable buttons will work.

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1285109120.html
    Thanks for the information. Being able to have 4 functions assigned to buttons is a huge improvement.

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    Great find Doug. Imaging Resource is really good at getting and then giving out excellent detailed information from shows. Looking forward to the update and fingers crossed us Mac users won't have to go to extraordinary measures to do the updates.

    This last bit is also quite interesting:
    "Finally, Sony representatives said they will proactively support the development of third-party lenses and adaptors for the E-mount. Because the E-mount has the shortest flange-sensor distance in the industry, there's more room to fit in an adapter and still have foreign lenses focus properly. Mr. Katsumoto made a point of saying that Sony was very much in favor of this, and was interested in proactively working with various companies to make more adapters. In a private conversation with Imaging-Resource.com Publisher Dave Etchells after the formal presentation, Mr. Katsumoto underscored that Sony would release full engineering specifications for the E-mount to third party adapter makers; a pretty unusual stance in an industry where manufacturers tend to jealously guard such information."
    Last edited by Terry; 21st September 2010 at 22:07.

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    I agree Terry; it seems significant to me that Sony recognise this portion of its user base and are readily supporting it.

    Hopefully this will mean that in the future we could see adaptors supporting better exif information, focus assist when turning the focus ring, support for lenses without manual apertures and focus for lenses with built in motors.

    In short; all the extras that Sony has been able to put into its own adaptor for the A-mount lenses

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    IMO we must not forget that main design challenge to make a camera smaller is not to fit a large sensor in a small camera but to build lenses which do not get too big.
    So the dream and wish of many to have a small camera with small but still fast lenses.
    For this reason I also do not see so much sense to build a tiny camera with a large sensor for interchangable lenses. The x1 is a good compromise IMO and M4/3s as well. In case of the NEX I dont know- but I have to admit that I havent used one. But why have a tiny body if the lenses are big anyways?

    I think some physical facts can not be overcome- as much as we would like to.





    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I'm disappointed, so far, by no EVF info and what looks to be rather large lenses. I guess the good news is that the lenses may be fast, but none are of the pancake variety. Just one tiny 35-50mm equivalent pancake prime would be nice, and both Panny and Samsung seem to have no problem doing it. At that size, the Zeiss lens had better be an f1.4. Here is a pic of the 2011 release lenses from Masterbrew on dpr (I didn't label them, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of the labels.) If I could dream, I would hope the Zeiss is a 35 f1.4 (equivalent) and the macro is a 50mm f2 or 2.8 (equivalent.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    IMO we must not forget that main design challenge to make a camera smaller is not to fit a large sensor in a small camera but to build lenses which do not get too big.
    So the dream and wish of many to have a small camera with small but still fast lenses.
    For this reason I also do not see so much sense to build a tiny camera with a large sensor for interchangable lenses. The x1 is a good compromise IMO and M4/3s as well. In case of the NEX I dont know- but I have to admit that I havent used one. But why have a tiny body if the lenses are big anyways?

    I think some physical facts can not be overcome- as much as we would like to.
    IMHO I think it is one of those cameras you have to hold for it to make some sense. For instance the kit zoom looked so big and out of proportion when it was launched but in hand it feels extremely comfortable. I haven't put the big 18-200mm zoom lens on the NEX5 yet so no comment there. If you look at the primes in this picture, while they may look big I think all three are smaller than the kit zoom and in reality would then handle very well on the NEX body size. Hard to explain until you really have it in your hands.

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    Samsung has managed to make some small pancake's for the aps-c sensored NX cameras, so it's not necessarily the size of the sensor that is the issue. Maybe a third party will make more pancakes?

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    I think you are right Terry, there is nothing in the photo to give a sense of proportion to those lenses. They aren't pancakes, but maybe a short stack.

    For me, it's time to acquire the alpha adapter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Samsung has managed to make some small pancake's for the aps-c sensored NX cameras, so it's not necessarily the size of the sensor that is the issue. Maybe a third party will make more pancakes?
    lets not forget how small many FF m-mount lenses are. it is certainly possible to make very small (and fast lenses) that cover a larger sensor. it's not clear whether sony plans on going that route though. all the lenses except for the zoom look reasonable to me - using the diameter of the mount to judge i would say that the macro is a fair bit smaller than the pana/leica macro and that the zeiss 24mm? is about the same size as the pana/leica macro.

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    It's not just the lens that has an issue of size, it is also a question of the size of the EVF, when it comes.

    I'm looking at my GXR and I figure that any EVF worth its salt will be 15-20% of the volume of the NEX

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    I think - just a prediction....in early 2011 we will another body style with an EVF built in. We know they have one from the A33/55.

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    That would be great, Terry. I think the best thing about Photokina, in terms of NEX, is how Sony seems ready to push this mount into the hands of everyone, and they aren't displaying they're usual proprietary nature. I was really hoping for a big accessory announcement at Photokina, but at least the news about the future is positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    That would be great, Terry. I think the best thing about Photokina, in terms of NEX, is how Sony seems ready to push this mount into the hands of everyone, and they aren't displaying they're usual proprietary nature. I was really hoping for a big accessory announcement at Photokina, but at least the news about the future is positive.
    While a big accessory announcement would have been nice, I am very satisfied by the actions and language coming out of Photokina. The firmware changes detailed by Imaging Resource and the AF were huge. In addition, there are enough lenses in the pipeline (for me), the appearance of both a Zeiss branded and G branded lens were important and ticked that box and then the openess as regards to the lens mount to me signifies a different Sony.

    Now I just want to see how Sony handles my repair and I will be able to make the final E mount/ micro 4/3 decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I think - just a prediction....in early 2011 we will another body style with an EVF built in. We know they have one from the A33/55.
    IMO, NEX-5/3 have one thing different from traditional SLRs, They are a single board device (single PCB and mounted devices inside, as long as they can manage that we will see a built in EVF, if not it will be an add-on. Did you see the flash extender that comes with 18-200, so that there is no shadow in flash pics?

    Hope Sony sends you a new NEX (single board, not a lot of electronics can be fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackToSlr View Post
    IMO, NEX-5/3 have one thing different from traditional SLRs, They are a single board device (single PCB and mounted devices inside, as long as they can manage that we will see a built in EVF, if not it will be an add-on. Did you see the flash extender that comes with 18-200, so that there is no shadow in flash pics?

    Hope Sony sends you a new NEX (single board, not a lot of electronics can be fixed

    Cheers,

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    Not a single board device like the Panasonic G1.

    See the link given here: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18920

    What flash extender?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Not a single board device like the Panasonic G1.

    See the link given here: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18920

    What flash extender?!
    Thanks Vivec, I saw Pete's dissemble'd pics before, i did not see it carefully enough, i thought the sensor was on main board.

    FA-EX1S



    Read Albnok's post of dyxum

    Cheers,

    N
    A and E mount Too many lenses.

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    LL Review of NEX Software Upgrade Beta

    http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...e_update.shtml

    If I had an NEX, I would now be happy

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    And pleased to see the one extra detail that I'd been hoping for; and that the focus assist will remember where you left it.

    I wonder why mid-October?

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    Re: NEX - Firmware and Lenses

    Interesting report here with more details including the fact that the NEX has been designed to be able to use a full frame sensor (but not with the NEX lenses) See this article:

    http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2010/0...tails-in-full/
    V/r John

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