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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Vivek, the MS Optical lens is very much a "super" triplet with only 3 elements.

    http://www.japanexposures.com/2010/0...triplet-perar/



    As for the Contax 35, Jim, yep I bought the one on KEH. I nearly bought one in August for around the same price, and I've decided to try it for fun. I've read a TON about the lens in the last few months, and it seems, although it isn't quite as sharp wide open as the 45mm (one of the sharper lenses of all time,) it is certainly no slouch and competes with most 35s, including the pre-asph Summicron. In fact, I was reading some posts from a guy who shoots both the 35 Planar and 35 Biogon f2 ZM, and he says the Contax outperforms the ZM. We'll see...

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    Douglas, Monza. it looks like we talked someone into buying the 45mm from KEH too it is now gone! They are down to 2-21's and a single 28mm.

    These are going to be collector value lenses soon .......

    No used lenses at B&H or 47th and a single 90MM at Adorama. Only 3 35's listed on Ebay too. They are going like hotcakes
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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

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    Vivek, the MS Optical lens is very much a "super" triplet with only 3 elements.

    http://www.japanexposures.com/2010/0...triplet-perar/
    Doug,

    Refined triplet design with two double thickness positive lenses, superior to Tessar design
    That gives the hint (unless it is some bad translation as in the "Trium" glass they mention). I very much doubt it is a simple triplet.

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    Jim, Douglas, Monza, I thank you big time for the advice you have given regarding Contax G lens, leading me to order the 28, 35, 45, 90 and the 35-70 zoom. They are so good and so small and often in such excellent condition. I realize that the zoom is not popular, but find it to be very fine for a zoom and helpful in certain family situations to grab a well framed shot, and more portrait friendly than the stock zoom. By the way there are still 2 Contax G zooms at KEH! It took me the longest time to realize I had to search specifically for zooms!
    I have also read all the comments that I could find on the internet concerning the Contax G 21 which describe the color shift issue, let alone the need to saw off the two fins. Is anybody out there happy with the Contax G 21 on the Nex? I see a few positive posts with some pictures from July and August, but no one seems to be praising it in these different threads that continue. It looks like it will be so much smaller than the projected Zeiss wide angle. My wife says I am color blind! But seriously, is anyone happy with this lens on the Nex?

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    I read the one guy from China's post who posted pics with the 21mm and stated he liked it BUT beauty was definitely in the eye of the beholder on that post. As I stated in a previous post I already own a 21 and really wanted it to work like it does on the Contax G but the shots I viewed from that poster made me positive that I did not want to cut off the fins on my lens to allow it to mount to the NEX. The result would of been far from what I consider a acceptable image. Especially from a lens as fantastic as the 21 is on the Contax G2. Let me stress again I REALLY wanted the 21 to work on the NEX but it sits mounted on my Contax G2 instead if that tells you anything.

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    John, best of luck with your new Zeiss glass. There isn't much else one can say about the G lenses...I know of at least one person who tried them on the NEX and liked them so much that a film body (G2) was acquired as well.

    I have owned the 21mm in the past but have never 'taken' to that focal length for some reason. Probably because it takes more talent than I have to get good results with a wider angle. Besides, it's a 32mm equivalent on the NEX. So I won't be adapting that one to the NEX, I'll just stick with the 16mm Sony lens which is a no brainer at the price.

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Doug,



    That gives the hint (unless it is some bad translation as in the "Trium" glass they mention). I very much doubt it is a simple triplet.
    I don't think it is a simple triplet, either. MS Optical calls it "super," which I imagine accounts for the thick elements. Still, I wouldn't imagine it to be considered a heliar unless those elements were cemented, no?

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Thanks for the replies! I have the 16mm as well and like it very much.

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    John, I don't think I have seen any shots with the 35-70 on the NEX. If you have some at the 35mm focal length focused to infinity with the aperture set wide open I would really like to see them.

    The rear fins on that lens look like they extend far enough that they might or could have interference with the body ..... does it mount easily without interference?

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    I'm in a class right now, so will take some photos later. The fins seem to stick out about as far as the Contax G 28mm, so it easily fits on the Sony Nex. With
    the adapter, the 35-70 zoom sticks out about as far as the stock zoom. I say this because it fits into a case for the Nex 5 and a zoom.
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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Inglis View Post
    I'm in a class right now, so will take some photos later. The fins seem to stick out about as far as the Contax G 28mm, so it easily fits on the Sony Nex. With
    the adapter, the 35-70 zoom sticks out about as far as the stock zoom. I say this because it fits into a case for the Nex 5 and a zoom.
    John
    John, Your report on the 35-70 zoom will be of interest. I'm looking forward to it when you have time.

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    I had the 35-70 a few months ago, it worked very well on the GH1 but 70-140 equivalent wasn't something I needed...looking forward to seeing how it works on NEX

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Here are four shots taken near Yellow Springs OH today in the afternoon on a cloudy day with a Sony Nex 5 and Contax G 35-70 zoom at 35mm and f3.5. This is wide open and at infinity--I hope. I assume it is important to see the detail (or lack there of) in the upper corners. Any comments on the lens or pointers on how to improve this sort of thing are welcome.
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    Thanks John .... One more question .... Did you have a polarizing filter on it during these shots

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    No filter, but I did use autotone in Lightroom which made the photos a slight bit brighter.

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    Can I see pics of the 35-70G on the camera?

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Here is a link to another forum with a pic of the 35-70 on the NEX-5.

    http://www.chassimages.com/forum/ind...opic=92274.210

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    p.s. the thread I posted above has TONS of NEX adapter/lens info.

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    First post, so Hi all.
    Yet another happy Nex 5 owner.
    Amateur at photography, insterested in astrophotography and hoping the NEX-5 will do well.

    Of the lenses I have tried now I have found 2 manual lenses that I really like both for Nikon mount.
    Nikkor 50mm F/1.2 AIs *Make sure its the 9 bladed diaphragm version.
    This beauty with our Nex systems high ISO can do some really interesting shots in near pitch black.

    Image not enhanced in any way, only copied from 2 pictures to see the real visibility and with 1.2 apperture/high ISO.

    Sigma 400mm F/5.6 *Metal body, est. 25-30year old version
    Perfect for bird or astrophotography, using a Kenko 2X making it around 1200mm *35mm on the Nex.
    Looks like some russian old school weapon for some reason. *Think twice before taking pictures near an army base with this thing....

    Sony Nex-5 as of 2010 The Worlds most advanced rear lens cap!

    So far I have had best luck overall on Nikon as an adapter.
    Tried some Canon Eos and FD *Like FD more and Tamron AA
    Havent done much on Sony Alpha lenses yet, waiting on my own adapter.
    Overall, good MF lenses specially fast ones seems to be best priced on Nikon.

    Pentax adapter on its way so I will try to compare more.
    Pentax 35-70mm F/2.5-3.5 is my next victim.
    And my Nikkor 300mm F2.8 soon to arrive...

    I will keep you posted on my findings.

    Best regards,

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Douglas, thanks for that great French link,
    Here are some shots of the Contax 35-70 on a Nex 5 with the Wayne Kayne case,
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    It appears that the 35-70 Contax G Zoom at 35mm with it set wide open and focused to infinity looks a lot like the 28mm set wide open and focused to infinity. I am seeing around the edges a slight color shift and vignetting with a very slight degree of smearing. Seems it, like the 28, is having issues getting a good light out to the edges of the sensor because of the depth of the rear element. No real big deal and easily worked around but in my eyes from those photos I can see a very close similarity to the 28mm in these examples.

    Just for a case in point I use my 28mm a lot and these issues are easily worked around.

    Thanks again John for posting these examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HansenTsang View Post
    >>- wide-angle landscape lens (something wider than the Sony 16mm lens)<<

    You only budget choice will be the Sam Yang (Rokinon). I bought the Rokinon with Nikon mount so I can use it on my D700. I get the Nikon to NEX adapter and it works great.
    No-one tried CV 12mm or Sigma 8-16mm?

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    Jerry, I've got the CV12mm (the new one) and its great on the NEX. Here's a couple of recent shots from New Orleans.

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    Cheers,
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    Thank you monza & simonclivehughes!

    I use u43 Panasonic 7-14mm and wonder how it would be compareable to CV and Sigma 8-16mm on Nex...
    Sigma would be probably much bigger, question if IQ would be better...

    PS: so far - from samples I saw with NEX and M lenses - I liked mostly ones taken with CV 12mm and 35mm Summarit ;-)

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    I suspect the nex five can control aperture on sigma 8-16mm alpha mount via LAEA-1 sony adapter, but am searching hig an low for somebody who can test it before i spend big bucks

    A leads on who coun check this out would be great

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    I have tested NEX-5 + Sigma 8-16mm via LAEA-1. You can change aperture. AF works, but incorrectly, so manual so far only.

    I was not satisfied with IQ. I had to close it to f/8 - f/11 in order to achieve the same results as from Lumix 7-14mm at f/4 - f/5.6.
    It it never, on any aperture - gave me more details than small Lumix.

    Plus it is huge:




    I gave up and sold NEX. After some time - my friend sent me his photographs made with "M" lenses.
    Meanwhile - I found occasionally cheap ZEISS 25 2.8 and 50 1.5. I bought them as future investment - as I am waiting for LEICA FF EVIL since I sold M9.

    So I bought cheapest NEX-3. And am amazed! The camera fits "M" lenses perfectly.
    In past - I was thinking it is too small. But not for Leica, Zeiss, Contax lenses!
    It just begs me: "take me, take me!" I must admit - last time I was hearing that voice when I had M9.

    Bye the way - I set EVERYTHING to manual on NEX-3 and work in black and white mode.
    Probably one day I will buy CV 12mm. I miss EVF and flash socket, hopefully NEX-7 will address that.

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    The comparison chart of older fast 50-58mm primes and a pdf on individual lenses is available below. On the comparison chart, the lower the number, the better the lens!

    There are some translations on the following forum discussions, which I copy and paste some below. The magazine chart ranks the lenses on more than just the sharpness numbers.

    From zxaar on Four Thirds Talk,
    http://forums.dpreview.com/...t.asp?...5994153&page=2

    Here is summary of that test. Scores smaller the better.
    f/1.2 lenses
    Lenses tested -------------f/1.2 -----f/2.8 -----f/5.6 -----Average
    Pentax SMC 50mm f/1.2 --------101 -------77 ---------50 --------228
    Nikon Nikkor 50mm f/1.2 ------116 -------73 ---------49 --------238
    Canon FD 55mm f/1.2 ----------117 -------82 ---------45 --------244
    Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f/1.2 -117 -------75 ---------54 --------246
    Canon FD 55mm AL f/1.2 -------117 -------84 ---------51 --------252
    Yashica ML 55mm f/1.2 --------124 -------90 ---------51 --------265
    Olympus Zuiko 55mm f/1.2 -----125 -------90 ---------60 --------275
    Nicon Noct-Nikkor 58mm f/1.2 -158 ------107 ---------52 --------317
    Leitz Noctilux 50mm f/1.0 ----152 -------97 ---------67 --------316
    Konica Hexar 57mm f/1.2 ------166 ------129 ---------58 --------353

    you see konica hexar scores 166 wide open compared to pentax 101 , based on this test at f1.2. hexar is actually the worse.

    The following comments are from various people on:
    http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=9310&p=1

    It doesn't look like the AL version of the Canon lens scored any better than the standard S.S.C. It happens to be about 20 times as expensive though.

    Hmm . . I just bought a Nikkor 50/1.2 AIS (NOT a Noct BTW) and it appears that it does quite well in these German tests compared to some of the other lenses in it's class. I think the Bokeh is probably not as good though.
    That test actually said pentax F1.2 is sharpest wide open lense. (or best 50mm f1.2).

    test does not include canon 50mm f1.2 (L version). My impression is canon version being almost equal or slightly better than pentax version in terms of sharpness. (i might be wrong though).

    What the heck????!!!!! Last time I've seen a Hexar version of the 57mm F1.2 it cost twice as much as the Hexanon AR version which is the one we've been talking about here. To find out it's such a poor performer it's a shock for me! It's been a long time and memory might fail me, but perhaps it was a limited edition for the Hexar RF, I have no other explanation...
    Anyway acording to the Konica Bibble: http://www.buhla.de/Foto/Konica/eHexanonHaupt.html
    Hexar lenses were subcontracted (probably to Tamron) and they didn't stand up to Hexanon quality
    So to sum it up:
    Hexar AR = decent performers.
    Hexanon AR = outstanding quality.

    Padiej was able to locate the chart on individual lenses at http://www.systemkamera-forum.de/......rken-50mm.html
    The article is by Walter E. Schön and was published in ColorFoto. Perhaps this is the article cited on http://www.tomioka.de/tomioka_e_main.htm as Walter E. Schön lens ColorFoto Practice Test - The High-Speed Normal Lenses Part 2, COLOR FOTO - Lens Test Nr. 3 Published by LATERNA MAGICA VERLAG 1978.

    You can download the text and charts at:
    http://www.kameradoktor.de/50er1.jpg

    http://www.kameradoktor.de/50er2.jpg

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    I have tested NEX-5 + Sigma 8-16mm via LAEA-1. You can change aperture. AF works, but incorrectly, so manual so far only.

    I was not satisfied with IQ. I had to close it to f/8 - f/11 in order to achieve the same results as from Lumix 7-14mm at f/4 - f/5.6.
    It it never, on any aperture - gave me more details than small Lumix.

    Plus it is huge:
    I gave up and sold NEX. After some time - my friend sent me his photographs made with "M" lenses.
    Meanwhile - I found occasionally cheap ZEISS 25 2.8 and 50 1.5. I bought them as future investment - as I am waiting for LEICA FF EVIL since I sold M9.

    So I bought cheapest NEX-3. And am amazed! The camera fits "M" lenses perfectly.
    In past - I was thinking it is too small. But not for Leica, Zeiss, Contax lenses!
    It just begs me: "take me, take me!" I must admit - last time I was hearing that voice when I had M9.

    Bye the way - I set EVERYTHING to manual on NEX-3 and work in black and white mode.
    Probably one day I will buy CV 12mm. I miss EVF and flash socket, hopefully NEX-7 will address that.
    TY very much for your input Jerry. No doubt the Lumix wide angle is a great lens. I hope I have better luck with the sigma 8-16.

    Strange that it would not do well, since the Nex-5 has great IQ with so many lenses.

    all the best,

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    I saw results of that 8-16mm Sigma on Sigma bodies - they confirmed what I saw on NEX.
    I think that small LUMIX is unbeatable among all APS-C cameras. Also u43 sensor gives larger DOF on smaller apertures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    I saw results of that 8-16mm Sigma on Sigma bodies - they confirmed what I saw on NEX.
    I think that small LUMIX is unbeatable among all APS-C cameras. Also u43 sensor gives larger DOF on smaller apertures.
    just a quick sharpness test, no pp, jpg, no boost in sharpness, sorry its a bit dim.

    8mm f/7.1 on tripod iso 200



    crop



    not too terrible

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    Quote Originally Posted by uhoh7 View Post
    8mm f/7.1 [...] not too terrible
    You are at f/7.1. You should see 100% crop of 7-14mm in the same place at f/4, max f/5.6.

    With E-PL1 or GF1 (or cheap G1 if you do not need video) + 7-14mm - you have:
    - sharp picture without need to close down
    - much smaller
    - much lighter
    - with AF
    - with great video

    Up to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    You are at f/7.1. You should see 100% crop of 7-14mm in the same place at f/4, max f/5.6.

    With E-PL1 or GF1 (or cheap G1 if you do not need video) + 7-14mm - you have:
    - sharp picture without need to close down
    - much smaller
    - much lighter
    - with AF
    - with great video

    Up to you
    Oh i don't doubt the 7-14 is superior-- it costs alot more and by all accounts is worth the money--and is way smaller obviously.

    For a light wide angle I have the sony e-mount 16, which is not in the league of the 7-14 by any stretch, but is very light and works much better than reviews would have you believe.

    For me the nex is a gateway to legacy lenses and a way to travel light with e-mounts when I need them.

    1.5 crop is bad enough with older fast primes, the 4/3 2x is beyond the pale for me--plus they are all larger than the nex, and none can match it in low light.

    I wanted an ultra wide and the sigma will get me there--heavy though it is.

    here it is



    this taken also by a nex: Vg10 w/canon nFD 20mm f/2.8, one of eight legacy primes I bought just for the nex.

    here the 18200:


    FL 55mm 1.2


    Soligar 135mm f/2


    Lecia 50mm 1.4



    Tokina bokina



    Kiron made 105 macro:



    Elmarit 90mm




    I don't think there are many cameras today so flexible.
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    Wow!
    You have quite similar approach to mine ;-)
    Enjoy and show us samples later!

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Any info about using MD lenses? I found there are 50mm like f/1.2, f/1.4, f/1.7.
    There is one difference against rangefinder lenses - smaller min. focusing distance.

    Any comments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    Any info about using MD lenses? I found there are 50mm like f/1.2, f/1.4, f/1.7.
    There is one difference against rangefinder lenses - smaller min. focusing distance.

    Any comments?
    this shot was with the MD 24mm 2.8
    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...postcount=1042

    I want the 50/1.2 as well.

    kipon came out with an EOS adapter with aperture blades
    http://sonyalphanex.blogspot.com/201...e-control.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    Wow!
    You have quite similar approach to mine ;-)
    Enjoy and show us samples later!
    elmarit 90mm today

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Quote Originally Posted by ken_vs_ryu View Post
    I want the 50/1.2 as well
    I wonder if it aberrates as CV 50mm 1.1 or less.
    Or - how much you need to close it down - to minimize chromatic aberration.

    I saw samples from NEX and CV 50 1.1 - they look great when downsized, but not so encouraging - due to big chromatic aberration and lack of sharpness - when looking at bigger versions, not even 100% level.

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    I wonder if it aberrates as CV 50mm 1.1 or less.
    Or - how much you need to close it down - to minimize chromatic aberration.

    I saw samples from NEX and CV 50 1.1 - they look great when downsized, but not so encouraging - due to big chromatic aberration and lack of sharpness - when looking at bigger versions, not even 100% level.
    i had the MD 50/1.2, but sold it last year. i loved it's color and the transition from in focus to out of focus. it's bokeh tends to have a lot of character and is probably busier than the cv 50/1.1. my MD 50/1.2 had a lot of loCA wide open but not much laCA. i suspect that the cv is sharper (at least wide open) from the samples i've seen. the cv should also have less ghosting due to it's aspherical design and will be smaller on the NEX (shorter adapter). the MD can focus much closer though (.45m if i remember correctly). i sold my MD because i determined that my canon FL 55mm f/1.2 was sharper wide open and stopped down while having less loCA. i do like the MD better than the canon though for portraits.

    a couple of shots from the MD 50/1.2 (on 4/3 not the NEX since i sold it before i got the NEX):
    wide open:


    @f/5.6:

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    Re: Lens recommendations for NEX-5?

    Quote Originally Posted by sebboh View Post
    i had the MD 50/1.2, but sold it last year. i loved it's color and the transition from in focus to out of focus. it's bokeh tends to have a lot of character and is probably busier than the cv 50/1.1. my MD 50/1.2 had a lot of loCA wide open but not much laCA. i suspect that the cv is sharper (at least wide open) from the samples i've seen. the cv should also have less ghosting due to it's aspherical design and will be smaller on the NEX (shorter adapter). the MD can focus much closer though (.45m if i remember correctly). i sold my MD because i determined that my canon FL 55mm f/1.2 was sharper wide open and stopped down while having less loCA. i do like the MD better than the canon though for portraits.

    a couple of shots from the MD 50/1.2 (on 4/3 not the NEX since i sold it before i got the NEX):
    wide open:


    @f/5.6:
    I love the wild field in the foreground with the faint city in background. Very nice.

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