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    A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    My Japanese reading skills are none existent , anyone have a link to an English page?. Perhaps it'll take a couple of hours to filter through to Sony's world wide support sites.

    Also some detail of what you early adopters actually find the differences to be in the camera with the new firmware would be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eoin View Post
    My Japanese reading skills are none existent , anyone have a link to an English page?. Perhaps it'll take a couple of hours to filter through to Sony's world wide support sites.

    Also some detail of what you early adopters actually find the differences to be in the camera with the new firmware would be interesting.


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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Yea but I can't find the firmware. Oops


    Perfect thanks . Okay I'm going for it. Someone has to be the guinea pig
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    Darn there is a trick to this . When you have the card with file. HOLD down the menu button and than turn on power at the same time. Both at once
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Ok, already installed.

    The camera is selecting the shutter speed in both A and P mode and the shutter is firing.

    All previous menu settings were retained except one: Back to top instead of back to previous as I had it set to before.

    AF may be faster, I don't know, but there is no more hunting. My 24/2, like both of the ZA zooms before, had AF inconsistencies. I would point the camera at infinity and the focus would slightly change every time I press the shutter button. I also had dialled in a -2 AF adjustment. With the new FW, the AF inconsistencies are gone, and the -2 adjustment caused a -2 front focusing, so the microadjustment is back to zero with spot on results.

    All in all a very satisfactory upgrade, and we have to thank Sony for it, and all the guys who put so much pressure on Sony to do it
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Well, I've done it now as well
    Haven't had time to look at anything yet, but I'm certainly glad it's happened.
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    The instructions say you ned a 16GB CF drive or more?? All I have is a bunch of 4GB's.
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Do you really need a 16g card?

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    The instruction says 16Megabite not Gigabite.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Quote Originally Posted by apsheng View Post
    The instruction says 16Megabite not Gigabite.
    Ah, right.

    No comment on image quality, but the autofocus is much faster and more sure.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Okay, downloaded the Mac version for the A900 ... but it then says "classic environment no longer supported" ... and the actual file has a No Use circle with diagonal line.

    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Okay, downloaded the Mac version for the A900 ... but it then says "classic environment no longer supported" ... and the actual file has a No Use circle with diagonal line.

    Any thoughts?

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    You don't run it anyways, just extract the .app file and put it on a formated CF card and follow the instructions.


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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

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    The file will have downloaded as a zip and then opened immediately as the one that you describe in "downloads" on your finder. Just drag and drop the icon that you have described (circle with diagonal line) to the pre-camera formatted card on your computer connected card reader. It takes seconds, then you have the new firmware v 2.0 ready to load into your A900...bingo!

    Remember that the program that you have downloaded is NOT for use on the Mac, so it doesn't matter that it can't be opened by it. The computer is just a means of transferring the update from the web site to your camera card.

    Good luck!
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Okay, downloaded the Mac version for the A900 ... but it then says "classic environment no longer supported" ... and the actual file has a No Use circle with diagonal line.

    Any thoughts?

    Marc
    Dave has it . . . although it had me stymied for a bit too!
    just copy the file to the CF card.

    Pity Sony didn't warn us though!

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    My 24 does not hunt in low light like it did. Something good there!
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Loaded it and shot a gig today with it at Iso 1600 with no flash. Client surprised me shooting like this. Had it in the bag for backup. Check in later with report
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    What i am really, really curious about is if there is any improvement in noise at high iso, say 800 - 1600.

    Just installed it......

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    It's good just on deadline will get something up after the forum comes back tonight
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    Darn, I wish they had fixed the bug when you use the rear button to focus. If you choose Local mode, where you can select the focus point to us, you can select the point, but you can't activate it! I wish they had just followed the setup on the Maxxum 7D. Granted, the points are too close to the center, but I'd rather have the option instead of being restricted to the center point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebus View Post
    Darn, I wish they had fixed the bug when you use the rear button to focus. If you choose Local mode, where you can select the focus point to us, you can select the point, but you can't activate it! I wish they had just followed the setup on the Maxxum 7D. Granted, the points are too close to the center, but I'd rather have the option instead of being restricted to the center point.
    I am not certain what you are saying, but it is intended to work like that and is not a bug. The center button is not just focus, it resets the focus mode to spot focusing on center point (regards less of chosen focus mode) so you can be in wide are focus mode, or local focus mode with focus on one of the external points you can Quickly use the center spot focus. Works great while birding. I guess what I am saying is that the current implementation is intentional and useful for many scenarios.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Well so far I really like the new firmware. It really is much faster to AF with the longer lenses. My 70-400G is now incredibly fast and I thought that it was quick before! Also this improvement in AF speed is not at the expense of AF accuracy, it is spot on every time.

    Just another note on loading the new firmware in camera.....it takes rather a long time to update once you have pressed the OK button! I was beginning to think that the camera had "frozen" but hold on in there, that re-assuring message will eventually come up on the LCD "Update is completed".

    Don't forget to re-format the card again afterwards though!
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Thanks guys! I had never seen a file like that before and was reluctant to install it on my A900s ... especially just before a job tomorrow.

    Very interested in Guy's feedback on his gig.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    I can't post a real image from the shoot folks because it is a government thing. Let me see if i can post a crapola image that was a test. God i hate posting bad images. Give me a minute. I had major system problems last night which finally getting my head out of the sand on.
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Okay hate to do this but I had to black out some things to be legal for ME. LOL

    First thing first. I LOVE this cam on the ergos alone and I will say this maybe the best shooting ergos I have held in my hand. Love the rear focus button , manual focus button on the lens and a whole host over other things. Now please you have to understand what I just said I never will say to that conviction on any cam. But this damn thing is a shooters heaven to work.

    Okay the firmware no doubt improved the AF and things just get in focus quickly and have not tried the 135 but I'm sure the same.

    Noise lets face it the Sony was not supposed to do ISO 1600 really well but have to say it is pretty dang good. Mostly I am at ISO 800 and I thought the Sony would be good but I'm a little happier than that so that is great. This was ISO 1600 at 1/20 th of a second in the worst looking light on the planet. I mean **** light . Florescent lighting at it's worst. I did set the cam for it though and have to say the noise may have improved with the firmware. This ain't bad and perfectly deliverable . Well not this image but the real ones. LOL



    I will try and do some more real testing today with my usual setup that i do for noise. Give us a better idea.

    BTW processed in C1 at its Sony defaults. No user work on it

    Now I did tell my client not to go big with these and they do really really big. I shot my Phase kit with lights for those images. They just wanted grab shots while they where doing video at the same time. They perfectly understood my dilemma on high ISO work and going really really big. These folks talk in feet not inches. LOL
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Not much wrong with that for ISO 1600 apart from the obvious deliberate dust spot!!

    Was this image processed with the new C1 Pro 6 Guy? I have upgraded to Pro 6 and it's a real winner IMHO. It makes the A900 shots really sing.

    Your comments on the ergo's of these cams is bang on, and coming straight from the R9/DMR 2 years ago it just seemed so right to me. Suffice to say I've still got it and added the A700 as a back up and which handles exactly the same way.
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Your comments on the ergo's of these cams is bang on, and coming straight from the R9/DMR 2 years ago it just seemed so right to me. Suffice to say I've still got it and added the A700 as a back up and which handles exactly the same way.
    I'd like to add my +1 to that. It really is such a nice camera to use, even the ISO button too near the strap seems okay . .

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Not much wrong with that for ISO 1600 apart from the obvious deliberate dust spot!!

    Was this image processed with the new C1 Pro 6 Guy? I have upgraded to Pro 6 and it's a real winner IMHO. It makes the A900 shots really sing.

    Your comments on the ergo's of these cams is bang on, and coming straight from the R9/DMR 2 years ago it just seemed so right to me. Suffice to say I've still got it and added the A700 as a back up and which handles exactly the same way.
    I'll add my +2 to that!

    IMO, this was a direct evolution from the Contax N/ND in terms of handling and Zeiss AF lenses ... That was the first thing that came to mind when I picked up the A900.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    I know Jack is laughing at me since I go through 35mm systems like running water but I do really like this one. Honestly less work in post and that makes me feel like I am in a candy store.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    I don't know guys ... it seems the higher ISOs are improved. If this holds true in other shooting conditions this is a real winner here.

    May be wishful thinking on my part, but I just did something I'd never have considered before ... ISO 100 verses 6400: (see attached 24mm @ f/2 handheld available light, no sharpening applied ... slight adjust of color in 6400 file to more closely mimic the ISO 100 file) The usual differences in color and contrast, but look at the noise ratio between the two. Seems a lot better than before at these extremes. LR3 BTW.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Here's ISO 1600 verses 100. Less color shift and a bit more shadow detail @ 1600 compared to the 6400. But look at the noise comparison to 100 even after I lifted the 1600 shot's exposure a stop or so to be brighter.

    Hope I'm right on this ... we'll see tomorrow on my location shoot.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    That looks nice and i should point out in good light like this 1600 will probably shine. My situation i would not wish upon my worst enemy. That was horrible light to deal with, maybe worse than tungsten.

    Look forward to hearing your thoughts Marc
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    That looks nice and i should point out in good light like this 1600 will probably shine. My situation i would not wish upon my worst enemy. That was horrible light to deal with, maybe worse than tungsten.

    Look forward to hearing your thoughts Marc
    Well, 1600 didn't exactly "shine" even in decent light if I recall ... and 6400 was unusable in any light ... but you're right ... the acid test will be crap light.

    I wish there was a one button manual WB solution for this camera like on my H4D/40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I'd like to add my +1 to that. It really is such a nice camera to use, even the ISO button too near the strap seems okay . .
    Ah, Jono, the WB and ISO button are all about using your thumb!

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Ah, Jono, the WB and ISO button are all about using your thumb!
    Precisely. That strap is a good locator

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    BacktoSLR, set your A900 to use the rear button for focusing. Set Local focusing mode where you can choose one of the focusing points with the rear button. Now how do you actually activate the AF if you choose any point other than the center point?

    You can't.

    Local mode seems designed to use the shutter release to focus. The Maxxum 7D had the right idea, when you choose the focusing point, the camera automatically focused on that point.

    Its a bug I wished had been fixed. The mandatory workaround is to always use the central point for focusing if AF with the shutter is set to Off.

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    Guy, sorry you had to black out the military photos of the UFO's........

    that comparison looks awesome of 6400 vs. 100...... that is really encouraging! If it is better at 800 and 1600 than it was, than i am delighted.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Updated. Used an 8GB card. AF seems better even with the 100/2.8 macro.

    Easier than changing sensors (as Jono will remember with the Kodak 14n - 14nx upgrade some years back...)
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    This whole thread gives me pause....

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Updated. Used an 8GB card. AF seems better even with the 100/2.8 macro.

    Easier than changing sensors (as Jono will remember with the Kodak 14n - 14nx upgrade some years back...)
    Hi Quentin
    I certainly do remember - glad to hear you're still using yours.
    Nothing wrong with the Sony Sensor.
    Incidentally - have you noticed any difference with the image quality?

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Quentin
    I certainly do remember - glad to hear you're still using yours.
    Nothing wrong with the Sony Sensor.
    Incidentally - have you noticed any difference with the image quality?

    all the best
    Hi Jono,

    Difficult to say. Here is a macro shot from this morning. Quality seems pretty much on a par with before, which of course is stil very good



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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Installed FW 2.0 yesterday. Can't see much diff in IQ yet, haven't really tested, but as already observed, my 70-400 G autofocusses much faster.
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    I got my Minolta 200mm HS 2.8 lens today now not sure about old vs new firmware with it but it is lightning fast and I mean lightning fast. Nice lens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebus View Post
    BacktoSLR, set your A900 to use the rear button for focusing. Set Local focusing mode where you can choose one of the focusing points with the rear button. Now how do you actually activate the AF if you choose any point other than the center point?

    You can't.

    Local mode seems designed to use the shutter release to focus. The Maxxum 7D had the right idea, when you choose the focusing point, the camera automatically focused on that point.

    Its a bug I wished had been fixed. The mandatory workaround is to always use the central point for focusing if AF with the shutter is set to Off.
    Maybe I'm missing something here also. But I don't think this is a bug either. Normally I choose the focus point by using the 4-way controller to pick my focus point,then press the shutter. The joystick center press is meant to be a quick spot focus should you decide to return to center spot quickly. This is mentioned on page 61 of the manual. I never owned a 7D, but this is the way it is designed to work on the A-700 & A-900.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

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    I got my Minolta 200mm HS 2.8 lens today now not sure about old vs new firmware with it but it is lightning fast and I mean lightning fast. Nice lens
    GearGuy Guy, when you are done with that ... (I predict January 23rd, 2011 ) ... let me know first!

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    I'd like to know second!:

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    GearGuy Guy, when you are done with that ... (I predict January 23rd, 2011 ) ... let me know first!

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    You will be the first. Seriously bud this thing is sharp sharp sharp.
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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    I knew you would like it. Another one that gives the lie that the older lenses have been overtaken by 'technology'. I was seriously surprised how much fine detail it renders, and it plays well with the in-body SS. The APO TCs are well matched to it and show very little deterioration if you also need 280mm f4 or 400mm f5.6.

    Here is an interesting illustrated TC thread at dyxum:

    http://www.dyxum.com/dforum//tc-guid...opic22154.html

    I'll have to load firm v2 and see the focus speed gains.

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    Re: A900/A850 firmware 2.0 is out!

    Question: I use two Minolta lenses with my a900. One is the 35/2 and the other the 85/1.4 and one of them needed a focus correction to be dialed in. If I update to Firmware 2.0, am I likely to have to do that whole focus correction process all over again? If so, I'm not sure it'll be worth the hassle, as I don't own the calibration targets, etc.

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