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    Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    I have a chance to pick up a Voigtlander 50/2.5 Skopar and a 75/2.5 Heliar. Can anyone comment on how these perform on the NEX.

    Or perhaps post or point me to some sample shots. I'm attracted by their small size which would keep the NEX in the very small category.

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    While I can't comment directly to the two lenses in question, I can say every Cosina/Voigtlander I've used has been a delight, and using the 35/1.4 Nokton Classic on the NEX has been - I think - a perfect match. Very compact and also adds a real quality feel to the package as a whole. If you have an interest in those focal ranges and if the deal is decent, I'd say just try and resell if they fail to excite. Adapters are super affordable these days as well if necessary.

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    Be aware of their minimum focus distance.
    Regarding sharpness or red corners - you should not be afraid.

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    Thanks for the link, Douglas...very helpful.

    I travel quite a bit and my plan is to use the coming Fuji x100 for most of my shooting. The 35mm focal length is my favorite. For my occasional telephoto and wide angle needs, an NEX 5 with the 16/2.8 kit lens and the 50 &75mm Voigtlander lenses should make a very small and versatile kit.

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    Quote Originally Posted by jsnack View Post
    I travel quite a bit and my plan is to use the coming Fuji x100 for most of my shooting.
    Ugh. Has to be the most over-hyped impractical camera evah. SO I'm supposed to pay $1200 ($500 more than a nex) for a hybrid viewfinder and dial and I can't remove the lens? Ok, that makes sense....

    I guess "retro" really is worth something....
    Last edited by Lonnie Utah; 14th February 2011 at 11:16. Reason: And looks like that "something" is about $500....
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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    I understand that some don't see the value of this camera, but I've been a photographer since the 60s. These are the type of cameras I learned on and used extensively.

    Really, it's hard for me to understand that it took camera companies this long to make such a basic, simple design.

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    Agreed. I will be very tempted to add the X100 to my NEX kit. Outside of the design, the quiet shutter and hybrid viewfinder may be worth the price to me.

    BTW, jsnack, there is a fast Zeiss 24mm prime coming out for NEX relatively soon, AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsnack View Post
    I understand that some don't see the value of this camera, but I've been a photographer since the 60s. These are the type of cameras I learned on and used extensively.

    Really, it's hard for me to understand that it took camera companies this long to make such a basic, simple design.
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    Agreed. I will be very tempted to add the X100 to my NEX kit. Outside of the design, the quiet shutter and hybrid viewfinder may be worth the price to me.
    Yes, and there is a reason that most of us don't use cameras like this any longer. It's called progress.

    This might be a great camera if you want something to take pics of your kids birthday party or your cat. Beyond that, the restrictiveness on a fixed 35mm focal length just kills it. With the 35mm lens, you won't be able to take any decent shots of anything outside that's more than a reasonable distance away. Everyone sees that little dial on top and gets all goo-goo eyed and nostalgic. People were already giving the thing a good reviews without holding one and when the prototype wouldn't even save any images! This camera is just an expensive point and shoot (and a p/s that can't even zoom).
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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    Lonnie, this camera obviously isn't built for you, but there are plenty of users that are interested in this type of camera. Heck, Fuji is still releasing new models of fixed focal length medium format rangefinders.

    Whether it is with an A900, Hasselblad or NEX-5, I use the same focal length a majority of the time, and I never use zooms any more.

    Some artists use multiple brushes and an infinite amount of paints, while others use a pencil. To each his/her own.

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    I spent some time with the x100 at the CES in Las Vegas. Some may find the 35mm focal length "restrictive" but I love it.
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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    And you guys don't recognize hyperbole when you read it.

    But I still say that this camera is for elitists with more money than sense. As my mamma used to say, "A fool and his money is soon parted." I guess Fuji is on to something since so many people have lined up to buy these when functional models haven't even been given out for solid reviews yet. I will agree that the retro look is cool, but really for the money and practicality, there are MUCH better cameras out there. Looks alone aren't enough reason for me to spend $500 more than a NEX which has much more practical applications. For the same money (assuming the same photographic applications), I'll take a nex5 and a 16mm f2.8 pancake and buy one for my wife too. There is no way, NO WAY the x100 out preforms the nex in ANY category.

    Lower resolution than a NEX5 14.2 MP vs 12.3
    No interchangeable lenses for the x100.
    No filter threads on the x100
    No IS for the x100 vs in lens for the nex
    X100 is larger than the NEX5
    7 FPS for the NEX, 5 fps for the x100
    1920 x 1080 video resolution on the nex, 1280 x 720 for the x100
    $599 for the nex5 with the 16mm f/2.8, $1200 for the x100.
    Both will shoot at 1/4000 sec, but the x100 will only do it at apertures of f/8 or smaller.
    Built in sweep pano, 3d pano and HDR modes on the NEX.

    http://snapsort.com/compare/Fujifilm...ny_Alpha_NEX-5

    So tell me again, other than the viewfinder (which only gives 90% coverage BTW) and the retro looks, why should someone spend 2x as much on this camera?
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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    Lonnie, do have anything useful to contribute to this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsnack View Post
    Lonnie, do have anything useful to contribute to this thread?
    I think EVERYTHING that I've contributed is useful. I've pointed out the x100's short coming vs the NEX (its a sony subfourm btw). Simple a to b comparisons. Just because you don't like reality, doesn't mean it's not useful. Buy what you want, but I'm not drinking the cool-aid.

    Edit: If you are so strong in your convictions, tell me how the x100 beats a NEX5 and a 16 mm pancake.
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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    The hybrid viewfinder (90% due to parallax correction) and quiet shutter are the two main reasons for me to buy the Fuji, and they offer something the NEX doesn't have. However, don't underestimate the "fun" factor. Assuming everything checks out in the IQ department, I'll consider adding this along side NEX, because it looks...fun!

    I shoot in M mode and Raw almost exclusively, so most camera's bells and whistles are lost on me.

    Honestly, I think the camera is reasonably priced, considering the build quality. We aren't exactly talking Leica prices here.

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Utah View Post
    I think EVERYTHING that I've contributed is useful. I've pointed out the x100's short coming vs the NEX (its a sony subfourm btw). Simple a to b comparisons. Just because you don't like reality, doesn't mean it's not useful. Buy what you want, but I'm not drinking the cool-aid.

    Edit: If you are so strong in your convictions, tell me how the x100 beats a NEX5 and a 16 mm pancake.
    You are really living your signature, are you?

    So you aren't buying the Fuji then? Good! More cameras to those of us who aren't smart enough to see that we're being fooled

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    You are really living your signature, are you?
    My sig is simply the name of a Prodigy album....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    So you aren't buying the Fuji then? Good! More cameras to those of us who aren't smart enough to see that we're being fooled
    I've never said that anyone here should or shouldn't buy one. All I'm saying is that it's not the most practical camera on the market, and it seems the main reason people want one is simply because of it's "retro" look not practical uses (a point that has really yet to be refuted). One could buy a new A77 body for just about the same price as the x100 ($1400est vs $1200). For someone with an A900, A200 and a NEX5, which is the smarter/practical money to spend?

    Still waiting on someone to tell me why it's better than the nex...
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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    I already mentioned a couple of reasons why it is better than the NEX:

    -it has both the option of a Hybrid Viewfinder and an EVF.
    -it has a very quiet shutter in lens (and the ND filter is cool, too)
    -the build and feel of the camera is said to be top notch (although nex-5 isn't bad.)
    -it has the most popular single focal length for street shooting (until the Zeiss 24 arrives.)
    -some prefer the physical controls of aperture, exp. comp, shutter, etc.

    Honestly, although I do think the camera looks nice, I'd consider it just the same if it was all black and a little less "retro," although I don't contend that it isn't all THAT retro.

    The Hybrid viewfinder alone may be worth the price of admission for me. Just like the endless debates of OVF vs. EVF, user experience is a tangible feature when choosing a camera, and I think the hybrid viewfinder is a wonderful mesh between the technologies, from what I've seen so far. I can absolutely see carrying the X100 and/or the NEX+wide and tele in a small bag.

    Many shooters, like me, shoot all manual and don't need fps, jpeg features, giant teles, etc, and cameras like the X100 are appealing. Heck, after shooting the NEX-5 for a couple of months, I sold my A100, A700 and A900, because, outside of the A900's pixel count, there really isn't much of a difference between those cameras and the NEX-5 with various rangefinder lenses, for me (I quit doing studio work.)

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    It doesn't have to be better than the NEX. I want it because I have held it, and it operates like cameras used to operate. That's important to me.

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    Doug,

    A serious question. You've said several times you want to use one of these for street photography, and for the quiet shutter. But if you are using it on the street with all the associated and ambient noise that entails, isn't the quite shutter immaterial? It's not like the nex is overly loud.

    I think I could also make the argument that the articulating EVF screen of the NEX provides equal or more stealthy street photography opportunities than a camera with an OVF? I'm thinking of waist level shooting using the EVF and similar.

    While the 35mm may be a popular focal length, there are times when it's too short and times when it's too long. You have to admit that fact. Interchangeable lenses win in those situations.

    So for ME, and my type of shooting (except for my wife, I rarely take photos of people), it doesn't add up. I guess my point is that if this camera was $1000 less, it might be worth consideration. Maybe I'll get one on ebay for that in a year or two...


    Quote Originally Posted by jsnack View Post
    It doesn't have to be better than the NEX. I want it because I have held it, and it operates like cameras used to operate. That's important to me.
    It that floats your boat and you have the money to spend, then go for it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Utah View Post
    Doug,

    A serious question. You've said several times you want to use one of these for street photography, and for the quiet shutter. But if you are using it on the street with all the associated and ambient noise that entails, isn't the quite shutter immaterial? It's not like the nex is overly loud.

    I think I could also make the argument that the articulating EVF screen of the NEX provides equal or more stealthy street photography opportunities than a camera with an OVF? I'm thinking of waist level shooting using the EVF and similar.

    While the 35mm may be a popular focal length, there are times when it's too short and times when it's too long. You have to admit that fact. Interchangeable lenses win in those situations.

    So for ME, and my type of shooting (except for my wife, I rarely take photos of people), it doesn't add up. I guess my point is that if this camera was $1000 less, it might be worth consideration. Maybe I'll get one on ebay for that in a year or two...




    It that floats your boat and you have the money to spend, then go for it...
    Hey, no one is more of a proponent than the waist level option of the NEX than I am, although I do think the shutter is very loud. I wished it was a less robust, 1fps shutter that is quieter, myself. Sure, shooting environments are often loud enough to block out shutter sounds, but it is certainly a case by case basis.

    FWIW, I didn't mean to imply that I'm a hardcore street photographer. I just carry a camera with me all day, and I think the Fuji and its hybrid VF looks fun. I actually have an old Olympus SP that is basically the film equivalent of the X100, and it would be great to have a digital version. As primarily a landscape photographer, I could see little reason for you to buy such a camera, though.

    For me, the X100 would be somewhat of a luxury expense, and I think Fuji is marketing it as such. I don't think they're expecting to compete on m4/3 or NEX sales levels with the thing.

    Overall, I'll probably stick to my NEX+rangefinder lenses+Clearviewer, but we'll see once I get my hands on the X100 in a store...

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Hey, no one is more of a proponent than the waist level option of the NEX than I am, although I do think the shutter is very loud. I wished it was a less robust, 1fps shutter that is quieter, myself. Sure, shooting environments are often loud enough to block out shutter sounds, but it is certainly a case by case basis.
    I think most of the nex shutter noise is artificially generated by the camera. I need to go home and play with it tho to make sure.
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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    Nope, it has a real shutter that is capable of 7fps. It isn't like P&S cameras that have a shutter sound recording. Part of the problem is that the shutter has to remain open for live view, so everytime you shoot, it closes-opens-closes-opens, as opposed to a DSLR that just opens-closes. In fact, the NEX-5 almost seems as loud as my A700 was, even though it doesn't have a mirror!

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    I firmly believe some things can not be compared apples to apples. Interchangeable lens camera vs. fixed lens one is an example of such comparison and thus one can't come up with conclusion "X is better than Y". One can only say "X is better than Y for _me_ for following ...".

    When it comes to _me_ it all boils down to whether I am using 35mm focal length often enough to justify adding a $1200 "prime" and whether that "prime" will really deliver performance worth it's price tag.

    Answer on second one remains to be seen yet. In the meantime I am already getting so good results through other much less expensive means (for example with my NEX5 and Nikon 24/2.8 Ai-S CRC version) that X100 would have to perform like a miracle to entice me.

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    Agreed, Zoran, and I'd be shocked if the X100 performed better than the NEX and that great Nikkor.

    Still, the X100 seems more about the journey, rather than solely the outcome, and that is where the personal part comes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Agreed, Zoran, and I'd be shocked if the X100 performed better than the NEX and that great Nikkor.
    I assume you have seen the sample I sent you. Not bad, huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Still, the X100 seems more about the journey, rather than solely the outcome, and that is where the personal part comes in.
    Agreed. I too am attracted to that factor of it, it is just that at certain price point people stop daydreaming.

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    Re: Voigtlander 50 & 75 on NEX.

    nex-5 +75mm heliar:



    100%





    wide open iso 800:



    for the money it's hard to beat the 75mm-- I paid 275 including shipping and paypal for a clean copy last week. Lens will hold it's value.
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    the fuji x100 justifies the cost of an m8. and hopefully it's success will force sony management to get the engineers to design a digital minolta cle with e-mount.

    nice shot uhoh7.

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    Thanks for the images, uhoh7. I think I'll get the 75. Anyone have any experience with the 50/2.5?

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    one more from the 75 today

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