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    Re: Sony A77

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    Are the batteries the exact same ones as used in the a900?
    I guess so . . . I haven't taken the A77 battery out of the box yet It seems to work jolly well with the A900 battery.

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    Re: Sony A77

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    And Douglas mentioned a 12/2—which lens(es) are you talking about?

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    Thanks Jono....

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    Re: Sony A77

    I'm seriously considering an a77+vg and 70-400 to shoot wildlife. As someone who spend way too much time lugging around a Canon 1Ds2 and 600/4 on a Wimberley gimbal it would be a pretty stark contrast. I think this looks like it might be a dandy setup - perfectly competent at a very reasonable price point. Using the same batteries and lenses as the a850 is a big plus!

    But I'd love to see some RAW file work in fat daylight at low ISO (up to 400, maybe 640) before placing my order... Hopefully raw converters will get updated soon. On the other hand, if I decide I don't like it it should be pretty easy to resell.

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    Re: Sony A77

    The A77 sensor is really quite good:
    http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/New...P-APS-C-camera

    Also, this blows away the claim that the high ISO performance is poor. When making that comparison, you have to account for the different pixel densities of the two cameras, otherwise you're comparing one of them with a couple stops less light hitting the sensor.

    Which bodes very well for the NEX-7 which doesn't have to shoot thru the mirror.

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Brittenson View Post
    I'm seriously considering an a77+vg and 70-400 to shoot wildlife. As someone who spend way too much time lugging around a Canon 1Ds2 and 600/4 on a Wimberley gimbal it would be a pretty stark contrast. I think this looks like it might be a dandy setup - perfectly competent at a very reasonable price point. Using the same batteries and lenses as the a850 is a big plus!

    But I'd love to see some RAW file work in fat daylight at low ISO (up to 400, maybe 640) before placing my order... Hopefully raw converters will get updated soon. On the other hand, if I decide I don't like it it should be pretty easy to resell.
    Hi Jan

    Exactly the set up I shall be using with my A77 when I manage to get my hands on it! Also for the same reason!

    I have every confidence in the Sony RAW files having used the A900 and A700 with Capture One Pro. It is only a matter of time before the third party RAW processing catches up. Apple's Aperture is usually the last!
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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Hi Jan

    Exactly the set up I shall be using with my A77 when I manage to get my hands on it! Also for the same reason!

    I have every confidence in the Sony RAW files having used the A900 and A700 with Capture One Pro. It is only a matter of time before the third party RAW processing catches up. Apple's Aperture is usually the last!
    HI Dave
    Aperture has been much better recently- in fact they beat Adobe to the punch on some of the recent cameras.

    Also - it's actually very easy to change over - I've been shooting Raw+jpg, importing both with the jpg as master - then when support is available, you can highlight all shots right click and use RAW as master - keeping adjustments already made etc. (I did this with the E-P3 and it worked really well.)

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    Re: Sony A77

    Oops, I meant "spent", not spend. I haven't shot wildlife in a number of years now.

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    I have every confidence in the Sony RAW files having used the A900 and A700 with Capture One Pro. It is only a matter of time before the third party RAW processing catches up. Apple's Aperture is usually the last!
    Yeah, I'm starting to think I should just order it...

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    Re: Sony A77

    I read somewhere that it is Sony's aim make tripod's obsolete with SteadyShot and excellent high ISO capability!

    I bet the landscape fanatics won't agree with that statement though! The dreamy still water shots and cloud movements will still demand long exposures on a tripod.

    I have just been told that my A77 will be with me on the 10th October. I can hardly wait!
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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    I read somewhere that it is Sony's aim make tripod's obsolete with SteadyShot and excellent high ISO capability!

    I bet the landscape fanatics won't agree with that statement though! The dreamy still water shots and cloud movements will still demand long exposures on a tripod.

    I have just been told that my A77 will be with me on the 10th October. I can hardly wait!
    Please send your impressions about the A77 asap, I am very interested. I know I am a bad guy coming back to Sony

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Please send your impressions about the A77 asap, I am very interested. I know I am a bad guy coming back to Sony

    Peter
    HI Peter
    The results are soooo like the A900 - the handling is soooo like the A900 (just smaller) - the colour is soooo like the A900

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Peter
    The results are soooo like the A900 - the handling is soooo like the A900 (just smaller) - the colour is soooo like the A900

    Treat with care!
    Well. that will put Peter off then!

    It is looking better and better for me though as it is all those things that i love about the A900. You didn't say that the viewfinder is "sooo" like the A900 though Jono!

    BTW I like your shot of the running deer! It's not really your kind of photography either Jono.

    As hopefully now my A77 + 16-50 lens will be with me before I go to India at the end of the month; I was thinking of taking both the A77, 16-50 and 70-300 as we shall also be visiting a wildlife park (Tigers if we are lucky!). The 450 FL of the 70/300 on the A77 might be fine. It will save the weight and bulk of taking my 70-400 on the A900!
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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Well. that will put Peter off then!

    It is looking better and better for me though as it is all those things that i love about the A900. You didn't say that the viewfinder is "sooo" like the A900 thogh Jono!
    Well it's about the same size - the information is complete and very clear, and except in very bright light I haven't honestly given it much of a thought - it seems to be very good.

    The focusing isn't like the A900 either (not that the A900 was bad). It seems to be very fast and almost psychic.

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Well. that will put Peter off then!

    It is looking better and better for me though as it is all those things that i love about the A900. You didn't say that the viewfinder is "sooo" like the A900 though Jono!

    BTW I like your shot of the running deer! It's not really your kind of photography either Jono.

    As hopefully now my A77 + 16-50 lens will be with me before I go to India at the end of the month; I was thinking of taking both the A77, 16-50 and 70-300 as we shall also be visiting a wildlife park (Tigers if we are lucky!). The 450 FL of the 70/300 on the A77 might be fine. It will save the weight and bulk of taking my 70-400 on the A900!
    So reading through all this and knowing where I want to go there is not much putting me off anymore

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    So reading through all this and knowing where I want to go there is not much putting me off anymore
    HI Peter
    but I thought you really disliked the A900 - colour / ergonomics and lenses (not as good as Nikon).
    I don't think anything has changed!

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Peter
    but I thought you really disliked the A900 - colour / ergonomics and lenses (not as good as Nikon).
    I don't think anything has changed!
    +1
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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    +1
    I will need to work through profiles, will bring things where I want. Simply get too tired with waiting other vendors to move on where I want to be .....

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    +1
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    Re: Sony A77

    Any thoughts on if it works with unchipped lenses, and if it can use SSS with an unchipped lens? I'm thinking of my M645 APO 200/2.8, with or without 2x extender, in particular.

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    Re: Sony A77

    I saw the comparison between the A900 and A77 on LuLa and was surprized how good the A900 sensor still is.

    SO question: What is the real benefit of an A77 over an A900?
    Just Size or is there anything else?

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    I saw the comparison between the A900 and A77 on LuLa and was surprized how good the A900 sensor still is.

    SO question: What is the real benefit of an A77 over an A900?
    Just Size or is there anything else?
    HI Tom
    well, there are a number of benefits:
    proper live view with very fast focusing
    excellent subject tracking
    EVF with really impressive information (of course this is also a disadvantage)
    Peaking for focusing with manual focus lenses (and the MF/AF button makes this really good.
    10 fps
    video
    twizzly LCD
    it turns the 135 f1.8 into a stunning 210mm f1.8

    also disadvantages
    it turns the 135 f1.8 into a stunning 135 f1.8
    just the best optical viewfinder
    full frame means that the SZ zooms make sense

    this is boring, but I think one could go on and on in both directions.

    I don't know about the IQ yet compared to the A900, because none of my favourite raw processors support it yet, but it seems promising.

    It's a different beast . . . . except that the actual feel and usage is reassuringly similar to the A900 - which is a relief!

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    Re: Sony A77

    Just had a look at the Studio Test Results from Dpreview - if you compare high ISO quality between A77, D3S, E5 and 5D2 the still D3S wins hands down, tightly followed by the 5D2.

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/stud...12180935185253

    What is surprising is that in these tests the A77 is not doing much better than the E5, actually the E5 sometimes delivering much crisper results even at high ISO.

    Of course the A77 is 24MP versus 12MP of the E5, but still if you look at the end results - both JPEG and RAW - then the A77 is not so outstanding.

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    Re: Sony A77

    Peter,
    I've made a comparison here:
    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showth...250#post354250

    The results are rather surprising, and the GH2 seems to outresolve the A77 by a healthy margin.

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    Re: Sony A77

    +1

    Actually I have done independent tests with the E5 and SHG glass and upres'd the images to 24MP and even higher and it is amazing what you can get out of the E5 and pro lenses.

    Now I do not want to say this should be a common practice and definitely is not for me, because it is too time consuming to do that in post processing. But it clearly shows the capabilities of existing top of the line 12MP systems, be this Nikon, Olympus, well somehow also Panasonic although 16-18MP. WRT details and sharpness it is still amazing what one can get out of 12MP if done the right way.

    Now back to high ISO, I was actually surprised that the A77 did not perform significantly better than the E5 at 3200 - 6400 ISO. This is one of the known weak points of the E5 and its sensor size and the aged sensor, so I would really have expected to see clearly far better results from the A77. Delivering just as good as one of the less performing cameras in high ISO is actually disappointing. Not sure if this cannot be improved with later FW or this is the price you have to pay for such high resolution on an APSC sized sensor.

    Maybe physics cannot be overcome?

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    Re: Sony A77

    Are you talking 100% crops or are you talking comparing down/Upsized to the same size and pixel count?

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    Are you talking 100% crops or are you talking comparing down/Upsized to the same size and pixel count?
    They are all up-rezed to 24MP.

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    Re: Sony A77

    What I find interesting is how resolution (as a MP number) and high ISO noise have become so high priority in many discussions.
    What about color, tonality, microdetail and things like that. What about the ISO where 80% of images are made (low and medium ISO)?

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    What I find interesting is how resolution (as a MP number) and high ISO noise have become so high priority in many discussions.
    What about color, tonality, microdetail and things like that. What about the ISO where 80% of images are made (low and medium ISO)?
    I agree, but when a camera boasts 24MP, I believe it's interesting to check if there's any point with that or if a camera with a lower pixel count will resolve the same kind of detail. My conclusion so far is that at any ISO up to 800 (I didn't check above that, since I'm hardly ever in that area), there's little or no gain compared to the two systems that I currently use. When it comes to colour, tonality etc., I'm very happy with Panasonic (and not so much so with Nikon), so that's further down my list at the moment.

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    What I find interesting is how resolution (as a MP number) and high ISO noise have become so high priority in many discussions.
    What about color, tonality, microdetail and things like that. What about the ISO where 80% of images are made (low and medium ISO)?
    This whole comparison was just about noise / high ISO. I do agree that there are more parameters to consider as you say.

    Coming to the point, I do find colors of the E5 and micro detail unbeatable. And I am looking both original size and 100% crop. Especially in 100% crop the E5 images are really unveiling their superior fine details. Contrast and micro contrast is very good IMHO because there is no AA filter. And DR I would say is pretty sufficient from the E5 as well although there are cameras doing better (much better) on paper.

    So coming back to the test shots shown and discussed here, I was really shocked to see that the A77 could not beat the E5. Obviously resolution is not everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I agree, but when a camera boasts 24MP, I believe it's interesting to check if there's any point with that or if a camera with a lower pixel count will resolve the same kind of detail. My conclusion so far is that at any ISO up to 800 (I didn't check above that, since I'm hardly ever in that area), there's little or no gain compared to the two systems that I currently use. When it comes to colour, tonality etc., I'm very happy with Panasonic (and not so much so with Nikon), so that's further down my list at the moment.
    Hm, .... do not want to admit, but actually have to backup your opinion. The results from my E5 are at least on par with the A77 till ISO 6400 and beat it clearly below ISO 400. Sure this is because of the optimized combination of sensor and lenses. Kudos to Olympus for this.

    Having said that there is clear that the A77 has its merits. And what would really help to boost IQ would be a much weaker AA filter. I wonder if finally the A99 will come with that feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I agree, but when a camera boasts 24MP, I believe it's interesting to check if there's any point with that or if a camera with a lower pixel count will resolve the same kind of detail. My conclusion so far is that at any ISO up to 800 (I didn't check above that, since I'm hardly ever in that area), there's little or no gain compared to the two systems that I currently use. When it comes to colour, tonality etc., I'm very happy with Panasonic (and not so much so with Nikon), so that's further down my list at the moment.
    Interesting. Specially since I believethe A900 allready proved that a 24MP sensor can deliever additional resolution over cameras with less MP, it seems that while the pixel count of the A77 is the same the "real" resolution might not be the same.

    But I will keep my mouth shut now because a) I have only limited experience with the A900 and no experiemce with the A77 and b) I believe one should look at raw images and also at printed images before jumping to a conclusion.

    Sensor size (or better pixel size?) seems still very important factor. Allready when I compared the shaddows in K5 images to the shaddows in images from the much older D700 I came to that conclusion.

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    The results from my E5 are at least on par with the A77 till ISO 6400 and beat it clearly below ISO 400. Sure this is because of the optimized combination of sensor and lenses. Kudos to Olympus for this.
    Well, I'm not sure about this 'beat it clearly' - maybe at a 100% crop, but that's not quite the point (at least, it's not the point for me).


    1. the lens used on the E5 is unquestionably sharper at f6.3 than the Sony 50 f1.4 is at f9.
    2. The A77 is using the first shipping version of the firmware,
    3. it's not yet supported by any of the main raw converters.
    4. The DxO report is pretty favourable

    E-P3: 51
    E5: 56
    A77: 78
    Panasonic GH2: 60

    DxO comparison


    These are not small differences. You may not consider DXO to be the be-all and end-all of camera IQ (I don't either). . . but I don't consider the dpreview studio test to be so either! (even less so).
    writing off the A77 on the basis of studio tests at dpreview alone seems a little premature . . . . Don't you think?

    All I can say is that I'm getting fine jpgs out of a camera which is a pleasure to use. I won't be able to judge the IQ objectively until Aperture supports the camera, but 'real world' shots I'm getting right now seem to have decent sharpness, good colour (even at high ISO) and decent dynamic range.

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    Re: Sony A77

    Bizarre that preview tested the A77 at f9, which is well into showing diffraction limits. Either way, the mirror of the SLT cameras is known to reduce resolution a bit, so it'll be interesting to compare it to NEX-7.

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Well, I'm not sure about this 'beat it clearly' - maybe at a 100% crop, but that's not quite the point (at least, it's not the point for me).


    1. the lens used on the E5 is unquestionably sharper at f6.3 than the Sony 50 f1.4 is at f9.
    2. The A77 is using the first shipping version of the firmware,
    3. it's not yet supported by any of the main raw converters.
    4. The DxO report is pretty favourable

    E-P3: 51
    E5: 56
    A77: 78
    Panasonic GH2: 60

    DxO comparison


    These are not small differences. You may not consider DXO to be the be-all and end-all of camera IQ (I don't either). . . but I don't consider the dpreview studio test to be so either! (even less so).
    writing off the A77 on the basis of studio tests at dpreview alone seems a little premature . . . . Don't you think?

    All I can say is that I'm getting fine jpgs out of a camera which is a pleasure to use. I won't be able to judge the IQ objectively until Aperture supports the camera, but 'real world' shots I'm getting right now seem to have decent sharpness, good colour (even at high ISO) and decent dynamic range.
    Just to clarify, I am not writing off the A77 based on any of these tests. Just interesting to see how good this "old" sensor in the E5 performs compared to the latest and greatest. Plus what we all know and tend to forget (including myself) - MP is not everything.

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Just to clarify, I am not writing off the A77 based on any of these tests. Just interesting to see how good this "old" sensor in the E5 performs compared to the latest and greatest. Plus what we all know and tend to forget (including myself) - MP is not everything.
    . . . . and nor are studio tests at dpreview everything

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    Re: Sony A77

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Bizarre that preview tested the A77 at f9, which is well into showing diffraction limits. Either way, the mirror of the SLT cameras is known to reduce resolution a bit, so it'll be interesting to compare it to NEX-7.
    If f/9 is into diffraction territory for the A77, f/6.3 should be likewise for 4/3 sensor, right? Unfortunately for the laws of physics, however, all tests that I have seen of the Zuiko 50mm macro shows it to be exceptionally sharp until f/11 and sharper than most fully stopped down to f/22.

    How can that be? Is Olympus defying the laws of physics? Is there a dedicated optical god somewhere on mount Fuji who they pay tribute to and that the engineers at Sony haven't heard about? Black magic? Voodoo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    If f/9 is into diffraction territory for the A77, f/6.3 should be likewise for 4/3 sensor, right? Unfortunately for the laws of physics, however, all tests that I have seen of the Zuiko 50mm macro shows it to be exceptionally sharp until f/11 and sharper than most fully stopped down to f/22.

    How can that be? Is Olympus defying the laws of physics? Is there a dedicated optical god somewhere on mount Fuji who they pay tribute to and that the engineers at Sony haven't heard about? Black magic? Voodoo?
    There must be a god on mount Fuji, you did not know ???

    Honestly I think it are multiple factors coming together:

    1) tele centric design
    2) tight control while manufacturing resulting in high quality lenses (well at least their pro grade lenses)
    3) in case of the E5 a weak AA filter. AA filter kind of amplifies diffraction (like any anomaly) which means the weaker the less visible are any distortions through diffraction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    If f/9 is into diffraction territory for the A77, f/6.3 should be likewise for 4/3 sensor, right? Unfortunately for the laws of physics, however, all tests that I have seen of the Zuiko 50mm macro shows it to be exceptionally sharp until f/11 and sharper than most fully stopped down to f/22.
    I quite agree - an excellent lens. The Sony 50 f1.4 is quite good as well, but it's designed as a fast normal lens, not a macro lens. It simply is nothing like as good as the Zuiko - especially when stopped down.

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    Hi there
    Sorry to 'double post' but I think this is important.

    Jorgen very convincingly pointed out that the resolution on the 800 ISO images on the dpreview comparator showed the A77 files to be showing less resolution - even than an upsized D3s file.

    All I've done is to pick a different part of the test image

    Anyway, here are the results
    SLT77:


    GH2:


    D7000:


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    12MP D3s:


    My point here is that the A77 has been pretty roundly damned - excuses have been made with respect to lens quality (I agree) and also talk about diffraction (which I don't). But actually it would seem to be simply that the point of focus is different.

    I'm banging on here - not because I think the A77 IQ is necessarily wonderful (I won't know until Aperture supports the RAW conversion). Simply that it's sad to see the impression that something is not good, when that may not be the case.

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    I saw that also. I agree that I may not be able to shoot blind newts running through a cave at high ISO, but live view and focus peaking through an articulated finder opens up a new world for my aging eyes and back. If the image quality looks very close to my A900, I may be sold while waiting on the A99 . I even have thoughts of removing the translucent mirror altogether, for a bulk of my shooting (manual focus of course) if it proves out to increase acuity. I'd opt for the Nex7 but I find the hinged movement of the rear screen a bit limiting.
    So far I'm liking what I'm seeing.

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    @ Jono,

    I am actually glad that there are also different results! I am seriously looking for that A77 as well, so I was shocked seeing that first comparisons.

    Anyway it now tells me the following:

    1) These samples clearly show that the A77 is leading

    2) What needs real care are the tests of Dpreview, because they obviously focus on different parts of the subject while doing these test shots. This is ridiculous!

    3) The E5 is still (although only 12MP) closely following the A77, far better that the D3S which I assume was in this part of the sample again out of focus.

    Thanks always for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    @ Jono,

    I am actually glad that there are also different results! I am seriously looking for that A77 as well, so I was shocked seeing that first comparisons.

    Anyway it now tells me the following:

    1) These samples clearly show that the A77 is leading

    2) What needs real care are the tests of Dpreview, because they obviously focus on different parts of the subject while doing these test shots. This is ridiculous!

    3) The E5 is still (although only 12MP) closely following the A77, far better that the D3S which I assume was in this part of the sample again out of focus.

    Thanks always for sharing.

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    Hi Peter
    What it tells me is that it's not really worth drawing any conclusions about image quality from the dPreview comparisons; because the point of focus has more relevance than the actual quality of the image.

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    Ha! Good find, Jono. As usual, tests can't be trusted! That looks to be a pretty serious focus difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Peter
    What it tells me is that it's not really worth drawing any conclusions about image quality from the dPreview comparisons; because the point of focus has more relevance than the actual quality of the image.

    all the best
    The exif info is pretty interesting here. no 2 images where taken with the same shutter speed, Fstop or focal length...........so what is actually being compared?

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    adobe camera raw update for the a77

    http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/new.jsp

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian_harmon View Post
    The exif info is pretty interesting here. no 2 images where taken with the same shutter speed, Fstop or focal length...........so what is actually being compared?
    HI Brian
    I think they try and keep the equivalent focal length and dof roughly the same by using f9 for APS/c and f6.5 for m4/3 Not sure about the D3s, but that's an old one anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken_vs_ryu View Post
    adobe camera raw update for the a77

    http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/new.jsp

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Peter
    What it tells me is that it's not really worth drawing any conclusions about image quality from the dPreview comparisons; because the point of focus has more relevance than the actual quality of the image.

    all the best
    And it also proofs me that an accurate focusing - no matter if AF or manual or rangefinder - is essential-otherwise slight focus inaccurancies can kill the whole IQ of a good lens and sensor.

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    Re: Sony A77

    Looks like the Firmware update is coming tomorrow (30 Sept 2011)....

    http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/good-...ming-tomorrow/

    Also an explanation as to what happened...

    The new firmware will hopefully fix all issues we talked about in these days. As you know the problems was that the 1.02 firmware wasn’t updated for the new BIONZ processor which is used for the production camera. The pre production camera had a slightly different processor.
    This would explain why none of the pre-testers experienced these issues...
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