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    If this is really the Nex-7

    Then it's going to be hard to resist:

    NEX-7 at alpha rumors

    However - the Off/No button might be an indication that it's not the real thing!
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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Then it's going to be hard to resist:

    NEX-7 at alpha rumors

    However - the Off/No button might be an indication that it's not the real thing!
    Nah...Its a rendering from a 3D model, quick and dirty one at that...

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    It's a computer rendering for sure, but it could originate from Sony nevertheless. If Sony brings that thing with a good APS-C sensor and built-in VF - I'm all game. This is pretty much what I've been waiting for.

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    That's the best looking NEX rumor I've seen. It's thick enough, with enough gripping surface, to be handle-able and the controls could be useable.

    I don't understand the need for 24 Mpixels, however. Does everyone make 40x60 inch prints all the time? Seems like massive overkill, lots of wasted disk space, and a huge additional burden requiring more processing power to work with.

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    Well that is the camera I was hoping Panasonic would make. So, whoever gets there first..... I still have my NEX5 but I really needed lenses for Kenya so I had to go back to m4/3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Seems like massive overkill, lots of wasted disk space, and a huge additional burden requiring more processing power to work with.
    There is no penalty for 24mp. See Moore's Law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Utah View Post
    There is no penalty for 24mp. See Moore's Law.
    The penalty is paying for more disk space, more processing power, more RAM, and ultimately more time and energy spent on fussing with the technology rather than working on your photography.

    If you're going to make huge prints, lots of pixels are needed. But you don't need so many pixels if you're going to produce images for magazine copy, modest prints, and certainly not for images produced entirely for web viewing.

    Just because you can get more pixels doesn't mean it's always a good thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The penalty is paying for more disk space, more processing power, more RAM, and ultimately more time and energy spent on fussing with the technology rather than working on your photography."[/I]
    I work with 24 mp raw files from my a900 and I find it's not a problem at all. And I just paid $99 for a 1 TB network drive, and have seen internal 1 tb drives for as low as $50. I figure that I can store about 30,000+ 24 mp images on a 1 TB drive. In today's world, your argument falls flat.

    More MP is the nature of the industry, and one might as well accept it.

    And FWIW, the 24x36 prints I've made from it are AMAZING....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Utah View Post
    I work with 24 mp raw files from my a900 and I find it's not a problem at all. And I just paid $99 for a 1 TB network drive, and have seen internal 1 tb drives for as low as $50. I figure that I can store about 30,000+ 24 mp images on a 1 TB drive. In today's world, your argument falls flat.

    More MP is the nature of the industry, and one might as well accept it.

    And FWIW, the 24x36 prints I've made from it are AMAZING....
    It's a silly debate, more pixels can be useful, but the notion that everyone needs 24 Mpixel capture is pretty ridiculous. There are multiplicative cost increases and unnecessary resource consumption implied in managing such large images.

    I don't know what you do with 24x36 inch prints. I'm sure they look nice, but I've only seen two or three photos in the past year that really warranted such a gargantuan presentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    It's a silly debate, more pixels can be useful, but the notion that everyone needs 24 Mpixel capture is pretty ridiculous. There are multiplicative cost increases and unnecessary resource consumption implied in managing such large images.
    There is a point you are missing. Just because you have 24 mp doesn't mean you have to use ALL 24 mp. I've gotten good results from cropping 24 MP images down to smaller resolutions. You'd be amazed how much cropping you can do with an image that size.

    Wait til the new sony FF comes out, it will be close to 40mp....

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I don't know what you do with 24x36 inch prints. I'm sure they look nice, but I've only seen two or three photos in the past year that really warranted such a gargantuan presentation.
    I hang them on the walls of my house (and my boss has a couple on the walls of his office), and for the rest of it, that's opinion.
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    Godfrey: penalty is paying for more disk space, more processing power, more RAM ... but the notion that everyone needs 24 Mpixel capture is pretty ridiculous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Utah View Post
    There is a point you are missing. Just because you have 24 mp doesn't mean you have to use ALL 24 mp. I've gotten good results from cropping 24 MP images down to smaller resolutions. You'd be amazed how much cropping you can do with an image that size.
    Cropping 24 Mpixel images to smaller dimensions is wonderful at saving output and can save time you might otherwise spend in using the right focal length lens and framing carefully, but does nothing to reduce the size and processing overhead of managing 24 Mpixel raw files.

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

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    Godfrey: penalty is paying for more disk space, more processing power, more RAM ... but the notion that everyone needs 24 Mpixel capture is pretty ridiculous

    Bill Gates: 640 kbytes are enough


    Oooouuuuhhh god ... TWO gods ... one (God-frey) for cameras, one for PCs ....
    Great, now the ad hominem horsepucky begins. I'll just terminate my subscription to this thread.

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    In some years you will buy cameras with 80 mpixels and 4Kvideo ... I bet $ 99.99!

    And you will cry ... but the notion that everyone needs 120 Mpixel capture is pretty ridiculous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Cropping 24 Mpixel images to smaller dimensions is wonderful at saving output and can save time you might otherwise spend in using the right focal length lens and framing carefully, but does nothing to reduce the size and processing overhead of managing 24 Mpixel raw files.
    Have you worked with 24 Mp images? It's not that big a deal, really it isn't.

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The penalty is paying for more disk space, more processing power, more RAM, and ultimately more time and energy spent on fussing with the technology rather than working on your photography[/I]
    Well Godfrey
    I use aperture on an iMac with a 1tb hard drive, on which I have all the pictures I've kept since around 1990. Currently I'm using 10,12,18 and 24mp RAW files, and I simply don't notice the difference in processing speed.
    On the other hand, I certainly do notice the difference in IQ between the larger and smaller files, even when printed small. Add to that the cropping ability and the possibility of printing that accidental 'shot of a lifetime' really big, and it seems to me that the overheads of large files are meaningless, but the benefits are very meaningful.
    You speak like a man who has settled for 12mp and is feeling faintly uncomfortable!

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    Well Godfrey
    I use aperture on an iMac with a 1tb hard drive, on which I have all the pictures I've kept since around 1990. Currently I'm using 10,12,18 and 24mp RAW files, and I simply don't notice the difference in processing speed.
    On the other hand, I certainly do notice the difference in IQ between the larger and smaller files, even when printed small. Add to that the cropping ability and the possibility of printing that accidental 'shot of a lifetime' really big, and it seems to me that the overheads of large files are meaningless, but the benefits are very meaningful.
    You speak like a man who has settled for 12mp and is feeling faintly uncomfortable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Cropping 24 Mpixel images to smaller dimensions is wonderful at saving output and can save time you might otherwise spend in using the right focal length lens and framing carefully, but does nothing to reduce the size and processing overhead of managing 24 Mpixel raw files.
    I have been shooting/processing 24MP files for nearly 3 years now (A900 purchased in Oct 2008). I have not encountered the difficulties you mention. My computer is almost 2 years old too and has not missed a beat with the large files. The minute they announce a 40MP FF camera, I will spring for it.
    A900 with a few lenses, flashes etc.

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    If the NEX 7 is indeed 24mp, it will be an immediate purchase. I really enjoyed shooting an A850 and what I anticipated with 24mp was entirely wrong....I found it a huge advantage with cropping.

    I originally wanted the A850 as a platform for adapted lenses, but ultimately decided against semi-permanent lens mods as I still wanted to use those lenses on film cameras. The NEX 7 (rumor at least!) gives me every feature I've been looking for.

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    I went back from a 1Ds3 to a 5Dc and my computer was most thankful for it. I think the point is that many want to stretch the boundries of what a camera of that size should be capable of whereas many would be happy for it to be what it looks like, a carry anywhere street camera without needing it to replace a larger system for fine art work. I think Sony would be clever to put the the sensor from the Nex-C3 into a C5 and only then add a Nex-7. 18 megapixels with that amount of DR on a crop sensor would provide all that a '35mm' shooter could require while a more expensive model with 24 megapixels could be a Mamiya 7 replacement as a small IQ powerhouse for light travel.
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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    It would be interesting though, even if the lenses that are used are mainly legacy and mainly large, for a higher end travel kit, the packing size of two Nex-7 bodies would still be smaller than just two film backs from the two 645 MF cameras which its quality could mainly replace. Lots of ex film shooters on this forum who will still be shaking their heads in amazement at what the modern world is allowing us to do compared to what we used to backpack with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Well that is the camera I was hoping Panasonic would make. So, whoever gets there first..... I still have my NEX5 but I really needed lenses for Kenya so I had to go back to m4/3.

    I'm not sure why panasonic strayed away from this design.


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    We will have enough megapixels when AA filters become redundant. Probably about 80 mp.
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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    I would imagine a 24mp NEX 7 and its 3 MP OLED EVF with the Zeiss 24mm f1.8 attached would be a KILLER walkabout camera.

    If the camera ALSO has the BIONZ processor of the A77/A65 that Would be incredible.

    With the optics and megapixelage many bases would covered. Shoot. Crop or not. You have plenty of options in one svelte package.

    Add the proposed G-worthy zoom and you'd have one amazing compact system.
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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    Well I find the excellent NEX-5 pretty handy so the rumoured NEX-7 will likely see me largely retire my A900 for most purposes; just leaves the Hassy 50mp on active duty (incidentally I simply don't get the too many pixels argument - the more the merrier provided noise is kept down). 24mp is big enough for stock photograhy without interpolation (assuming you need about 50mb file size for that purpose).

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    binning ?


    how about 24Mp for pixel binning, like a pocket size Phase One Sensor+ camera ...

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Then it's going to be hard to resist:

    NEX-7 at alpha rumors

    However - the Off/No button might be an indication that it's not the real thing!
    If this is true then I know my next camera!

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    These times of Sony new product rumors can and have been periods of much speculation and in some case's anticipation. The poor a700 users have been waiting for a replacement camera for what seems like eon's and many have since left the flock because of these delays and false rumors. I personally have gotten very tired of this type "business model" and really think it is counter-productive in the end.

    That said, IF these rumors become a reality and these new offerings will be avilable in the last 1/4 of this year I know someone who will be giving himself a christmas present this year . The problem is ....... will it be just one?

    As most know here I really enjoy my NEX 5 and legacy glass and shoot this camera 95% of the time. I only use a dSLR for flash work and long telephoto shots which are rare situations for my needs. Having a crop sensor of 24mp with my 70-400G lens attached to it does have some significant interest for me though for wildlife work if low light/high iso quality is good.

    If the NEX7 can use legacy glass and focus A mount glass as fast as a Sony dSLR my choice is simple. If it is still slow to focus A mount glass like the NEX5 then I will have to consider if I will buy both.

    Guess all we can do is wait and see what and when Sony will offer it's new product lines for 2011. Should be an interesting year .........

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    I think next year in general will be very interesting as all the delayed releases from this year come at the same time as the releases already scheduled for next year.
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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    Jim DE, while I can't say for sure what tricks Sony has up their sleeves, I don't expect PDAF lenses to ever be fast on a CDAF system. They're just not very compatible. Granted, if Sony releases a sensor with PDAF on-sensor, that could be a differed story.

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    Douglas, photography through my lifetime has gone through many amazing transitions and huge innovations. I really don't get too involved in these technologies but enjoy using most of them. When the NEX5 hit the market all I saw it as was a digital back for nearly every lens I have acquired over the past nearly 50 years. I took to this camera like a duck to water. IQ has been exceptional and it has fit my need almost to a T. The two weaknesses for me has been flash and long tele wildlife shooting (these things are things that I do rarely but when I need to .. I need to kind of items).

    Many want to complain about not having a EVF and the poor lens selection but neither of these were deal breakers for me ( though I will get the Zeiss 24 as soon as it comes out and would love a Zeiss version in a 13-16mm focal length as well) all and all the Nex5 has been better than I had ever initially hoped for.

    If I could ask for anything in a upgraded version product it would be that it addressed the flash/tele limitations so I could just carry 2 NEX's instead of a NEX and a dSLR when afield.

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    I hear you Jim, those are my thoughts exactly. Granted, I don't use flash or shoot tele/wildlife, so I am thrilled with the system. Really, a higher megapixel sensor is what I'm most interested in with NEX, especially if it gives me resolution close to my A900. I don't really need the camera body itself to be any different.

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    Ha! Jim, it looks like faster focus on NEX with a-mount lenses is coming sooner than I thought! http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-t...lucent-mirror/

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    ... Now we're talking for those rare times we need AF with reach

    If they could just make a device to set in the flash socket that would trigger the Sony wireless flashes it would be bye bye slt/dSLR for me

    Sounds like they are moving to what guys like you and I initially saw the NEX as: a universal digital back for every lens we own.

    If that a to e rumored adapter come's to reality you can bet I am on the list.
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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    Yeah, I would imagine that Sony eventually fusing SLT and NEX with a device like this will lead to some really interesting modularity options. Imagine removable handgrips, viewfinders, SLT adapters, etc. that can all be removed to leave a small NEX camera, when needed. Pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    :If they could just make a device to set in the flash socket that would trigger the Sony wireless flashes it would be bye bye slt/dSLR for me
    All someone needs to do is engineer a "regular" sony hot shoe that screws into the accessory socket....
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    True Lonnie but I'll take any method that I can use a big gun when needed. I don't care how they choose to do this

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    I would have to wonder about how sturdy a big, Alpha flash would be on an adapter screwed into the accessory port. It may take a more sturdy, NEX-7 type camera to allow such a thing, but who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I would have to wonder about how sturdy a big, Alpha flash would be on an adapter screwed into the accessory port. It may take a more sturdy, NEX-7 type camera to allow such a thing, but who knows?
    You are right, but the HVL F20AM would fit nicely and give you the ability to trigger all other sony wireless products. It would also allow you to put one of the Chinese ebay wireless radio triggers or other similar option on there. I'm sure it would also require a firmware update...
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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    I'm sure everyone has seen this before, but worth a repost. A back door solution for a wireless NEX trigger...

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    I hear you about the HVL F20, but Sony would have to figure out a way to deter people from mounting the bigger flashes.

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    I'm sure everyone has seen this before, but worth a repost. A back door solution for a wireless NEX trigger...

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gkemp/5...n/photostream/

    This is the setup I use. A little kludgey but it works great.

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

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    Then it's going to be hard to resist:
    Then resistance is futile.

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    monza,....how do you get around the NEX's preflash as that slave unit appears to NOT be adjustable?

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    Pre flash has not been an issue....it just works...I have two other slave units that are not adjustable either, and they both work as well, although they are not as convenient in terms of size.

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    The rumor page states the viewfinder will be like the X100, although I doubt this...it's probably just an EVF, not a hybrid.

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    Yeah, my guess is that it'll only be an EVF, but maybe it'll incorporate the same EVF trick as the X100. The X100's EVF is projected from the side into a prism that redirects the image out of the viewfinder. This would let Sony have a more sleek, "rangefinder" design to the top plate, rather than the long "prism" hump that most EVF cams have. See bottom right pic:

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    Douglas I just saw a post that the announcement of the NEX7 may be within 14 days. We'll have our many questions and concerns answered right after that huh? I hate waiting for anything


    What's worse is I have been recovering from a surgery the past 2 weeks and between that and my meds all I have is the net to keep me busy being as I can't go anywhere. Time is dragging and I almost caught myself pushing the buy button on a a900 a couple days ago .... Dang drugs

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    To tell you the truth, I'm not ALL that excited for a NEX-7, but, if it does have a 24mp sensor, I may bite, since I think that resolution will make enough of a difference at my normal print size. It'll truly be like a mini-Hasselblad, at that point. The NEX-7 had better have a tilt up screen, though!

    Boy, you still can't go wrong with the A900. Awesome camera.

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    Re: If this is really the Nex-7

    I find the Nex-5 to be a sensational little camera. A 24mp version would be hard to resist. In fact I wouldn't even try..
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