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    Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Other than megapixels and ergonomics is there any different between these 2 cameras? Like af speed, high iso performance, etc...

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Electronic first curtain shutter
    Ability to take an EVF
    Better with wide angle rangefinder lenses which seems to have improved the performance of the kit lens.

    To name a few

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    Electronic first curtain shutter
    Ability to take an EVF
    Better with wide angle rangefinder lenses which seems to have improved the performance of the kit lens.

    To name a few
    Umm OP is asking about NEX-5N versus NEX-7. NEX-7 off course already has an EVF and we I think we don't know yet how they compare in terms of wide-angle rangefinder performance?

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Whoops. I was thinking 5 to 5n. My bad...

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    As far as I can tell:

    NEX-7:
    digital level, tri-navi, built-in evf, 5 step exposure comp, LCD tilts up to a fully flat 90 degrees (but evf is slightly in the way.)

    NEX-5N:
    touchscreen (surprisingly useful for focus magnification and image review,) add on EVF that tilts


    The big question right now is whether the NEX-7 will perform as well with rangefinder wides as the 5N. I just got the 5N, and I have a 7 on pre-order, but there's a good chance I may stick with the 5N. My Ciesta leather half-case makes the 5N a nice size to grip (almost identical in size to NEX-7,) and I love touchscreen magnification. I would like the NEX-7's resolution, but not if it means corner issues with M wides.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Sorry for the somewhat off topic question but has there been a conclusion reached about the corner improvements for 16mm pancake on C3 / 5N?

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    No conclusions, but I've seen evidence of it. I'm going to try to test this soon. In a quickie test yesterday by simply chimping, I noticed both a color and resolution advantage in the 5N corners compared to the 5.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    I don't know if 'on screen' is valid but after seeing a number of images made by both on a number of sites now (and maybe it's just me but) the NEX 5N seems to have a better 'look'. Whether using the E lenses, the new Zeiss 1.8 or the current Zeiss 2.0 (via the adapter), or (if you're fortunate enough to have a few Leitz lenses lying around), whether you're using lenses by Leica et. al. while focusing manually.

    There seems to be more contrast, more sharpness, more snap and more 'soul' to the images. (And again, it may just be me here.)

    Steve Huff who gushed quite effusively about the ergonomics and overall design of the NEX 7 seemed a somewhat muted when it came to his assessment of the images he got. When he talked about the NEX 5N several weeks earlier, he was quite positive about the images but he felt the camera was just a tad too small for his liking (even though he was wowed by the EVF which the NEX 7 has built-in and the vast improvement in user interface over the previous NEX 5).

    The thing is, price wise with an EVF the 16 mp NEX 5N is within spitting distance of the NEX 7. Go figure.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    The drastic falloff of the 5's sensor at the extreme corners is still evident, even when just chimping, and it doesn't seem to exist on the 5N, but I'll have better tests later.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Hi Douglas
    Does the NEX7 not have a touch screen? (I also have a lovely 5n and a 7 on order)
    I must say - I'm interested to see how the 7 does with rangefinder lenses as well . . . . . but to be honest, wide angle is the domain of the M9 and the A900, and I use the NEX more for mid-telephoto.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Nope, no touchscreen on NEX-7, which is odd.

    I pre-ordered a NEX-7 on Aug. 24th, so I'm imaging I'll get one if they ship this year, but I'm getting the feeling that the 5N will be the keeper. Even my ZM 35/2 shows less vignetting and color shift on the 5N when compared to my 5 (although it was never bad on the 5.)

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Keeping an eye on this thread, too

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Nope, no touchscreen on NEX-7, which is odd.
    My hunch is two things. First is cost savings, second is user perception. Touchscreen is still viewed as "consumer" as opposed to "pro". Plus the extra dials somewhat obviate the need for the touchscreen.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    My hunch is two things. First is cost savings, second is user perception. Touchscreen is still viewed as "consumer" as opposed to "pro". Plus the extra dials somewhat obviate the need for the touchscreen.
    Truth is . . .with the NEX 5n, I established how well implemented the touch screen is . . but I really don't ever use it. It's the focus peaking which is the real winner

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Thing is I use pretty standardised settings. Usually aperture priority, low ISO, raw. I rarely need to make substantial changes - bump up ISO if necessary. I never shoot Jpeg. A touch screen is fun but ultimately unecessary for me.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Man, I think the touchscreen is sweet. Being able to touch anywhere on the screen to magnify focus speeds things up for me considerably, when I'm not using peaking. Plus, being able to check my focus in image review by tapping the area in question is a big time saver.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    If you preffer the NEx7 can I have your NEX-5n?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    As far as I can tell:

    NEX-7:
    digital level, tri-navi, built-in evf, 5 step exposure comp, LCD tilts up to a fully flat 90 degrees (but evf is slightly in the way.)

    NEX-5N:
    touchscreen (surprisingly useful for focus magnification and image review,) add on EVF that tilts


    The big question right now is whether the NEX-7 will perform as well with rangefinder wides as the 5N. I just got the 5N, and I have a 7 on pre-order, but there's a good chance I may stick with the 5N. My Ciesta leather half-case makes the 5N a nice size to grip (almost identical in size to NEX-7,) and I love touchscreen magnification. I would like the NEX-7's resolution, but not if it means corner issues with M wides.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Man, I think the touchscreen is sweet. Being able to touch anywhere on the screen to magnify focus speeds things up for me considerably, when I'm not using peaking. Plus, being able to check my focus in image review by tapping the area in question is a big time saver.
    So, I was having some trouble in really low light low contrast conditions to actually get anything to "peak" and I switched t the magnified mode. I don't get peaking when magnified.....correct?

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    You should get peaking in mag. mode if the peaking is turned up enough.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    If you preffer the NEx7 can I have your NEX-5n?
    Ha! I wish I could. I figure that, since stock is going to be low for a while due to the unfortunate situation in Thailand, I should get most of my money back on NEX-5n if I sell it after NEX-7 arrives...if NEX-7 arrives.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Ha! I wish I could. I figure that, since stock is going to be low for a while due to the unfortunate situation in Thailand, I should get most of my money back on NEX-5n if I sell it after NEX-7 arrives...if NEX-7 arrives.
    . . . Actually, I can see a real argument for keeping both - each seems to have it's own advantages.

    Still, I guess it's a lottery as to who gets a 7 first. We got 2 of the first A77s (back in September) . . . but not with the company we had pre-ordered with, but with quite another company who had stock for a couple of days.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    This seem to be the topic of the week, or month perhaps.
    I'm very interested in seeing some UWA and WA images from the 5N and the 7, side by side. I also would like to see some longer lenses compared; I have seen border smearing also from some longer lenses, not only from lenses shorter than say 35mm.

    As I very seldom use flash I start to wonder if I shouldn't get a 5N and be done with this. Then it may be OK to buy the nex-7 successor when they got everything in order (the Nex-7N?).

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    This seem to be the topic of the week, or month perhaps.
    I'm very interested in seeing some UWA and WA images from the 5N and the 7, side by side. I also would like to see some longer lenses compared; I have seen border smearing also from some longer lenses, not only from lenses shorter than say 35mm.

    As I very seldom use flash I start to wonder if I shouldn't get a 5N and be done with this. Then it may be OK to buy the nex-7 successor when they got everything in order (the Nex-7N?).

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    Hi Jonas
    . . . of course, the grown up answer is to wait, and, after all, the NEX7 isn't much more expensive than the 5n with the viewfinder (and you must have the viewfinder).

    On the other hand, it seems that the NEX 5n will be better for low light, so maybe you should just get a 5n now . . and a 7 when it appears?

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    We live in interesting times. I still have NEX-7 on order, but the way it is going 7 might never join my household because of the recent purchase GXR M module. It is amazing how acts of god can affect our futures...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnius View Post
    We live in interesting times. I still have NEX-7 on order, but the way it is going 7 might never join my household because of the recent purchase GXR M module. It is amazing how acts of god can affect our futures...
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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    (...)
    On the other hand, it seems that the NEX 5n will be better for low light, so maybe you should just get a 5n now . . and a 7 when it appears?
    Aber Jono...

    When comparing the noise in images from these cameras, when the images are printed the same size, will show little difference. I can wait a little; I rather put the money at another lens, or a new printer, or... than ending up with a plain 5, the 5N and the new 7. Darn. I'm still contemplating the situation and may buy the 5n and the EVF. My thoughts are going in circles.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Aber Jono...

    When comparing the noise in images from these cameras, when the images are printed the same size, will show little difference. I can wait a little; I rather put the money at another lens, or a new printer, or... than ending up with a plain 5, the 5N and the new 7. Darn. I'm still contemplating the situation and may buy the 5n and the EVF. My thoughts are going in circles.

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    I was in the same spot. Planned to keep a 5 and a 7. Then when the word started coming out that the 7 would be delayed, I caved sold the 5 (actually two of them) and got a 5N.....but I'm not known to show massive restraint.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    (...)but I'm not known to show massive restraint.

    Neither am I. But patience is a virtue so perhaps I should practise holding back. I'm sure Mars or April will be a better time for a decision. But...

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    in regards to wa on the 5n, my experience has been with the cv 15mm, 16mm sony pancake, and a cv 25mm,

    my impression so far, I returned my cv 15mm, not sharp enough in the corners, even at F11, I was hoping for better results then the 16mm pancake, but to me sony pancake was better. In regards to the cv 25mm, again I was hoping for a little better in the corners.
    I sent it back to cameraquest to see if it could be adjusted, possible de-centering problem.

    I really want a good 25mm lens, 35mm equiv. I have the new sony zeiss 24mm on order, though I am a little concerned about the size of the lens.

    has anyone tried the zeiss 25mm zm on the 5n?

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    I also have a 5n and 7 on pre-order.

    I see it like that:
    5n:
    + smaller size/you can take the EVF off- which can be usefull for some occasions where you want the camera to be as small as possible (isnt size the reason to go NEX?)
    + you can swivel the finder
    + sensor/microlenses seem to be optimized to work very well with wide angels from Leica and other, but and more important for me, seems also to make the camera work very well with the kit lens (maybe imprives also the 16mm performance?). I find this very important point. Steve Huffs first test indicates that the Nex7 might not be as good here - but I would really like to wait before making final conclusions
    +price (I find the price really ok, specially the set with kit lens and 16mm)
    - user interface....but I think I can get used to it, better than I thought
    - where do you put the flash if you use the EVF???

    7:
    +: user interface
    + inegrated EVF
    + 24MP which can be nice if you like printing big
    -: eventually more sensible regarding lens performance

    I will use the 5n for now, wait and see how the 7 works and then decide

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    The touch screen is better than I thought it would be. I loved the 5, looks like I will love the 5n even more. If my back ordered 7 is delayed, fine, Ill let some of you guys do the beta testimg before I jump.
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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    The touch screen is better than I thought it would be. I loved the 5, looks like I will love the 5n even more. If my back ordered 7 is delayed, fine, Ill let some of you guys do the beta testimg before I jump.
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    Glad you like it - have you played with the focus peaking?

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    I'm messed a bit with the focus peaking and it is great for my aging eyes. I'm just using the rear display (no EVF) and it is dead simple to focus. That said I'm using the kit lenses, and the implementation of the manual-on-the-fly is a bit inelegant.

    My only complaint is that it seems like I accidentally hit buttons or the touchscreen and throw it into other modes by accident. Luckily it usually ends up with a good photo no matter what stupid thing I do

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Hi Jono

    Yes, very useful. Also been trying it with Manual focus assistance. Works a treat. More over the weekend no doubt.

    I don't have the EVF. I don't see the need at the moment. Wife needs a lens for the "old" 5 first
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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    I'm messed a bit with the focus peaking and it is great for my aging eyes. I'm just using the rear display (no EVF) and it is dead simple to focus. That said I'm using the kit lenses, and the implementation of the manual-on-the-fly is a bit inelegant.
    I tried it with a Noctilux at f0.95 . . . perhaps 'dead simple' is a bit of an exaggeration with this lens, but it's perfectly doable - it's fantastic with the 75 'cron, and the 35 summarit makes a lovely little carry about combo (focusing down to about 6" with the helicoid adapter.

    I'm not so keen on the manual focus assist - but I simply leave the peaking on. Fab
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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    I remember someone recently here claimed that I was 'over-selling' focus peaking as a manual focus aid, but as a pro videographer for many years, I was under-selling, if anything.

    I have not used the cameras talked about in this thread, but in a pro video camera, with a high resolution black and white viewfinder (and all were BW only) the peaking can be simply adjusted (three controls: brightness, contrast, and peaking), and the in-focus plane is clearly visible. All pro video cameras until very recently are manual focus, too, so this had to work to get sharp images, and it does. Personally, I am very happy to see its emergence on stills cameras.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    I remember someone recently here claimed that I was 'over-selling' focus peaking as a manual focus aid, but as a pro videographer for many years, I was under-selling, if anything.
    HI Kit
    well - for me it's a total revelation - I was never one for using MF lenses if I had to zoom in to focus - but this is really good - to be honest I think I prefer it to AF with the NEX - it's so easy to see what's in focus and what isn't.

    I'm astonished that it hasn't appeared before - but I'm really pleased it's here now. (Maybe it was more difficult to implement on a colour screen?)

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    It's funny that, after trying to sell Jono on peaking a few months back, now I'm enjoying focus magnification again with the 5N touchscreen.

    For any type of non-static, moving scenario, focus peaking is outstanding, and I use it much of the time. Now that the touchscreen allows you to press to magnify any part of the screen, I'm using touch magnification for static scenes, since it is more accurate. I hated moving the little box around with magnification on the NEX-5, but I rather enjoy the new method on the 5N.

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    I wish they could also implement an option of having the DSLR like predefined focus box locations which you can quickly cycle through. Touchscreen definitely simplifies the process of selecting a fox box, but you have to take your eye off the viewfinder (I dont own a 5N yet, this is just based on playing with the camera in store ). And also unless you are on a tripod, when you are selecting the focus box location with touch screen you are not looking at the actual scene that you are going to capture - so you have to estimate where you need the box to be. Where as on my DSLR, I can easily and quickly select the more relavant focus point while keeping the camera at my eye.

    Off course with something like that, you loose the "i can place my focus box anywhere I want", but I will happily take that compromise. It will allow me to select the focus point, magnify the view, set focus and be done very quickly without having to take my eye off.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    ok, here I come and admt that so far focus peaking did not allways lead to precise focsing in my case and yes-therefore also use the magnification.
    So which setting do you choose for it?
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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

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    I wish they could also implement an option of having the DSLR like predefined focus box locations which you can quickly cycle through. Touchscreen definitely simplifies the process of selecting a fox box, but you have to take your eye off the viewfinder (I dont own a 5N yet, this is just based on playing with the camera in store ). And also unless you are on a tripod, when you are selecting the focus box location with touch screen you are not looking at the actual scene that you are going to capture - so you have to estimate where you need the box to be. Where as on my DSLR, I can easily and quickly select the more relavant focus point while keeping the camera at my eye.

    Off course with something like that, you loose the "i can place my focus box anywhere I want", but I will happily take that compromise. It will allow me to select the focus point, magnify the view, set focus and be done very quickly without having to take my eye off.
    Hmm - well - I mostly have the focus point variable - you can then cycle through it using the arrows even with your eye to the viewfinder. I think that what you want is perfectly possible.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

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    It's funny that, after trying to sell Jono on peaking a few months back, now I'm enjoying focus magnification again with the 5N touchscreen.
    Oh! I've had to eat my hat so many times recently that I'm getting indigestion! I don't know how many times I swore I'd never use an EVF . . .
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    For any type of non-static, moving scenario, focus peaking is outstanding, and I use it much of the time. Now that the touchscreen allows you to press to magnify any part of the screen, I'm using touch magnification for static scenes, since it is more accurate. I hated moving the little box around with magnification on the NEX-5, but I rather enjoy the new method on the 5N.
    I understand what you're saying - but so much of my method is instinctive composition that the zoom in bit really disturbs my equilibrium.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

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    Hmm - well - I mostly have the focus point variable - you can then cycle through it using the arrows even with your eye to the viewfinder. I think that what you want is perfectly possible.
    But doesn't that move at something like a couple of LCD pixels at a time such that it takes a lot of time if you want to move it significantly?

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    From center, it takes 16 clicks to reach the sides, or 10 clicks to reach the top or bottom. However, if you pick a focus point with the touchscreen, it'll return to that point when you hit the magnification button.

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    Thanks for the detailed info!

    The 10 and 16 clicks might not be too bad, probably quite workable. But it would still be great to have the ability to "hop" quickly to focus points instead of precise-but-slow incremental adjustments.

    Touchscreen way is off course quite handy, I suppose I need to use it in the field to see how much of an issue it is to have to take the eye and look at the LCD for focus point adjustment

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    From center, it takes 16 clicks to reach the sides, or 10 clicks to reach the top or bottom. However, if you pick a focus point with the touchscreen, it'll return to that point when you hit the magnification button.
    Hmmm Mine's different:

    Flexible spot
    centre to edge - 8 clicks (16 from one side to the other)
    centre to top - 5 clicks (10 from top to bottom)

    that's half as many clicks as you.

    have I done something different!

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    Quote Originally Posted by curious80 View Post
    Thanks for the detailed info!

    The 10 and 16 clicks might not be too bad, probably quite workable. But it would still be great to have the ability to "hop" quickly to focus points instead of precise-but-slow incremental adjustments.
    When you are in 'clicking' mode (depending on how you set it up) then the number of clicks from centre is as above (not sure why I get different from Douglas?). If you use the touchscreen it then gets you to any spot you want.
    To be honest, it's really easier than a dSLR focus point selection.

    I guess you'll have to try it, and getting it to do what you want is not always terribly obvious! . . . but once you've sussed it it's usually pretty easy.

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    That's weird, Jono. I just tried it again and got 16/10 clicks. Wonder if there is a setting some where that I'm missing?

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Could this be a difference in firmware version or something like that?

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Here is what imagine resource says about flexible spot mode:

    "This mode provides greater positioning accuracy and a smaller AF point, which can be placed anywhere within a 17 x 11 grid that fills most of the image frame, except for the extreme edges."

    So this seems to go with what Jono said i.e. 8/5 clicks from center to edge and 16/10 clicks edge-to-edge

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    Re: Nex-5n vs Nex7

    Huh, I'll have to look into it.

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