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    Flash Considerations for Nex7

    After shooting the camera now for about a week, I have really only one surprise (mainly due to the great info that has been provided in other posts on this forum). The flash and red eye.

    So far in outdoor work, the flash has done a good job in providing a decent amount of fill flash in some macro work. However tonight I started to work on some people shots and was amazed at how bad the red eye was.

    I understand it's not supposed to be a high end unit, but it really seems lacking to me. My main issue is that no matter what settings I use I find that red eye is terrible. It's as bad as shooting a 550EX on a canon straight on!. Even with the red eye reduction on (which is pretty much a total distraction with it's 3 pre flashes) I am still getting harsh red eye.

    Sure it's correctable in post with LR, but after shooting a S95 and G9 for years I was just surprised to see red as bad as this.

    I have tried all the possible combinations I can think of but still can't shoot without it. I am using the 18-55, 18-200 and Sony 16-80. As the flash is almost directly over the lens, I am not sure anything will work, but wanted to ask for opinions, before I go for a HVL-F43AM to use with a flash bracket.

    Overall so far loving this camera and was really surprised to find the flash giving such a problem with an age old issue.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Vivek has tried the Sony HVL-F20AM compact flash with a external diffuser (purchased on eBay). Perhaps he'll chime in on this.
    I use an older (but still available) Metz 28-CS2. It is a tiny slave flash one can hold in the palm of their hand. It is triggered off of the camera onboard flash (usually set to -2), so no red eye.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    HVL-F20AM can be bounced and is more far away from the lens.
    I dont shoot much flash so even I won that thing I can not report much.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    I've been really happy with my F20AM.

    I agree the onboard flash is pretty crappy, but I never really expected anything else.

    This shot was bounced off a 3m ceiling mounted on camera.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    I agree with all the others (and thanks Rich )- the best choice is the HVL-F20AM (with or without the diffuser). When the subjects are within the range (of the flash), it is just very good.

    I will be getting the Phottix Strato TTL radio trigger/receivers soon and will be adding more flashes to use off camera.

    The ADI-TTL is new to me (coming from i-TTL of Nikon) and thusfar, it has been impressive.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Has anyone tried the HVL-20AM with the larger Sony flashes as a trigger? What sort of control do you get over the off camera flash?
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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Thanks to all, I will be ordering the 20AM. I didn't want to go with the larger flashes as I was worried about overall balance. Still may get a 43 later on.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Remember the 20AM can command the larger flashes (It was introduced as the commander for the A900), there's little reason to use the 43 or 58 on-camera with the 7.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by bcm View Post
    Has anyone tried the HVL-20AM with the larger Sony flashes as a trigger? What sort of control do you get over the off camera flash?
    TTL, limited ability to balance two groups. Pretty much comparable to E-TTL2 with the ST-E2 and a little primitive compared to CLS but functional unlike Pentax's P-TTL.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Thanks to all

    I received my 20 and it's a perfect compliment to the Nex7. Very nice fit and I like the way it folds down (to turn it off).

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Wow, BCM the flash bounce works well with that flash!

    I have a nex5n, considering getting a HVL-F20S. it seems to have a same guide 20 as the 20AM but does not take any batteries, rather gets power from the camera through Sony's propitiatory connector. It too has indoor and outdoor modes for bounce, so wonder if the two flash units are comparable in power and able to get image quality like you are getting.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Haven't really jumped into flash yet but want something I can use off camera TTL for my 7. I need to read the manual but do I assume correctly that the onboard flash can trigger a larger flash off camera for TTL? New to everything and rather going manual, would like something rather easy to use with a soft box outside. Any help would be greatly appreciated and cheaper is better for me :-)

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Can the in-camera flash be used to trigger strobes? When I use the flash, it looks like it pre-flashes, but I have not tested this aspect yet with the studio strobes (because I use the GXR with its built-in flash and macro lens as my studio setup these days).

    So—can the NEX 7 flash trigger strobes (or other Sony flashes)?

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Kit,

    The best system: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/sony/3...-thru-ttl.html

    I am getting one of the Phottix sets.

    There are many other wireless triggers out there (no TTL) that are cheaper.
    I have a pixel set (2.4GHz). Works quite well.

    The HVL-F20AM can be used as a wireless trigger (check mawz' posts above) with limitations.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    I have the Phottix Strato II set (1 trigger + 2 receivers at the moment, might add a few later).

    Works superbly with the NEX-7 and is only limited by the proper placement (this is something one has to learn by themselves) of the flashes.

    Anyone who doubts the impressiveness of the NEX-7 output will change their mind once they start using creative flash lighting.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    I also got the Phottix Strato II set (1 trigger, 2 receivers), and have been playing around with the HVL-F20AM (thanks Vivek for recommending this superb little flash) on top of the trigger in TTL mode, and a HVL-F58AM flash gun on each receiver (with diffusers to widen/soften the flash).

    With this setup, I can accomplish about 90% of my flash needs, and then pull out some Alien Bees for the other 10% (also can be controlled by the Phottix Strato II receivers).

    A couple of notes for those using the receivers with Sony flash guns (such as HVL-F58AM):

    The receivers do not support TTL - they only support manual mode. So you'll need to adjust the flash power on the flash for each shot. You do get true TTL mode if you mount a compatible flash onto the trigger itself (on the camera). The HVL-F20AM is a great option for this, being small and light and supporting TTL.

    The older HVL-42AM isn't a good match for this setup, as it doesn't have a true manual mode. The current HVL-43AM works fine as it has manual mode.

    The hotshoe on top of each receiver connects to a sony flash flash gun using the Sony style hotshoe mount (assuming you purchased the Phottix Strato II model designed for Sony). This makes it very handy for working with the Sony flash guns, as you don't need any cables or hotshoe adapters. HOWEVER, the bottom of the receiver has a standard (non-Sony) hotshoe connector, which means you CANNOT insert the receiver into the usual Sony hotshoe stand (the small plastic platform supplied with each Sony flash gun). The solution is easy - get a few generic plastic hotshoe stands (non Sony style) for a few bucks each, and use those instead. Or you can mount the receiver directly onto a lightstand (screw thread on bottom) with the Sony flash gun mounted on top.

    I'm very happy with the Phottix Strato II, and looking forward to putting this setup to use in a lot of situations.
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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I have the Phottix Strato II set (1 trigger + 2 receivers at the moment, might add a few later).

    Works superbly with the NEX-7 and is only limited by the proper placement (this is something one has to learn by themselves) of the flashes.

    Anyone who doubts the impressiveness of the NEX-7 output will change their mind once they start using creative flash lighting.
    vivek what flashes are you using?

    a question in general - if you have sony flashes what is the advantage of these systems?

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hatam View Post
    I also got the Phottix Strato II set (1 trigger, 2 receivers), and have been playing around with the HVL-F20AM (thanks Vivek for recommending this superb little flash) on top of the trigger in TTL mode, and a HVL-F58AM flash gun on each receiver (with diffusers to widen/soften the flash).

    With this setup, I can accomplish about 90% of my flash needs, and then pull out some Alien Bees for the other 10% (also can be controlled by the Phottix Strato II receivers).

    A couple of notes for those using the receivers with Sony flash guns (such as HVL-F58AM):

    The receivers do not support TTL - they only support manual mode. So you'll need to adjust the flash power on the flash for each shot. You do get true TTL mode if you mount a compatible flash onto the trigger itself (on the camera). The HVL-F20AM is a great option for this, being small and light and supporting TTL.

    The older HVL-42AM isn't a good match for this setup, as it doesn't have a true manual mode. The current HVL-43AM works fine as it has manual mode.

    The hotshoe on top of each receiver connects to a sony flash flash gun using the Sony style hotshoe mount (assuming you purchased the Phottix Strato II model designed for Sony). This makes it very handy for working with the Sony flash guns, as you don't need any cables or hotshoe adapters. HOWEVER, the bottom of the receiver has a standard (non-Sony) hotshoe connector, which means you CANNOT insert the receiver into the usual Sony hotshoe stand (the small plastic platform supplied with each Sony flash gun). The solution is easy - get a few generic plastic hotshoe stands (non Sony style) for a few bucks each, and use those instead. Or you can mount the receiver directly onto a lightstand (screw thread on bottom) with the Sony flash gun mounted on top.

    I'm very happy with the Phottix Strato II, and looking forward to putting this setup to use in a lot of situations.

    Mike,
    I am confused on this. I thought those triggers and the 58 flashes would work for off camera TTL? If that is the case, no sense in buying triggers as if I keep my 7, I planned on using my HVL 20AM flash to trigger a 58 off camera for TTL. I was panning on buying cheaper alt flashes that support TTL but if the triggers actually don't support TTL, why bother with themanf just get some basic triggers?

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Mike's write up is excellent and self explanatory.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Not saying it isn't Vivek but just confused as on amazon it says that those triggers allow for TTL but he is saying they don't. So are they wrong in their description?*** just checked again and I guess I misunderstood the description as it does say it allows it for a camera mounted flash. Question, so in my discombobulated post a couple up, if I were to buy a 58 and use it off camera, the 20 could trigger it and allow me TTL off camera with the 58?

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    It is about the range. To fire the 58, you do not even need the HVL-F20AM. You can use the pop up as the remote controller.

    With the 2.8Ghz radio controls the range is substantially higher and isn't restricted by any optical obstructions.

    Yes, but for the trigger (which allows for TTL when a TTL flash is mounted on it), none of the receivers do not support TTL.

    I do not know when this type of things will evolve to have full TTL control.

    One of the things that Mike mentioned that is worth noting is that the Phottix set is very well made.

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigkidneys View Post
    Not saying it isn't Vivek but just confused as on amazon it says that those triggers allow for TTL but he is saying they don't. So are they wrong in their description?*** just checked again and I guess I misunderstood the description as it does say it allows it for a camera mounted flash. Question, so in my discombobulated post a couple up, if I were to buy a 58 and use it off camera, the 20 could trigger it and allow me TTL off camera with the 58?
    I've been using the Phottix Stratos-II units for some time now. Sony mount, and Nikon mount for my Leica.

    To clarify the TTL ability ... it is called "Pass through TTL" ... meaning a TTL flash in the Stratos transmitter (mounted in the camera's hot-shoe) passes through the TTL data to and from the speed-light/camera.

    However, the remote receiver connected to an off-camera light doesn't receive any TTL data.

    I have an appointment right now, but will come back and elaborate on my experiences, pro and con, and post some results.

    Be back soon ...

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    I started a separate thread about flash ... which applies to use with the NEX also.

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/sony/3...sh-w-sony.html

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    Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Sorry - have been offline for a few days, so unable to respond to the questions.

    Vivek and Marc have pretty much covered everything here.

    The reason I went with the Phottix is for the 2.8Ghz range/reliability over cheaper options, and the fact that they have built-in hotshoe mounts, making them very well suited for use with speedlight style flashes.

    I believe that Phottix makes a higher end model (Odin) which will support TTL through the receivers. However, it's currently only available for Canon, and not yet for Sony.
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    Question Re: Flash Considerations for Nex7

    Hi all,

    I read Vivek's post about using the nex7 with the Phottix Stratos II, with a Fm20 flash in TTL mode on the top of the transmitter, and a remote Sony flash in manual mode on the Sony-type receiver.
    Does anyone know if a second Stratos II receiver for Nikon, fitted with my SB-700, could be used at the same time, again in manual mode, as the two Sony units?

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