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    Smile Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    I know that the 5N users have said this a million times. I am quite late to this with a newly "discovered" NEX-C3.

    It would make a fantastic camera!

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    I quite agree.

    I suppose that it all depends on if Sony think it worth bringing out such a camera. In the current situation where there are scant Sony lenses available, it makes sense to us at least.

    I'd quite like it if it were to be full-frame as well, particularly as this would make full use of the lovely optics made for Contax or Leica.

    I'd also dump the video function (personal preference).
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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    I do not wish (Sony doesn't fullfill such wishes) - I am VERY satisfied with my NEX5 & NEX7. I also do not cry for firmware updates.

    Hehe, NEX7 didn't get a viewer by firmware update :-)

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post

    Hehe, NEX7 didn't get a viewer by firmware update :-)
    If you try the C3 (199 Euros body only) or 5N you will also change your mind. Your $32 lens is likely to do even better on it than the 5.

    Yeah, wishing for a new hardware and not an update.

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    I have both the 5N and the Nex 7. I would like a 5N2 with the same sensor as the 5N with the integrated EVF of the 7. I'd, also, like a 7N with the ISO performance of the current 5N (7N2?) And...I'd like a full frame 8N with the Sony sensor in the D800. Sony, make it so!

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    I have the 5n and love the ability to articulate the EVF vertically. What I would ideally like is a Nex7 for its nice button setup, but have ability to have a hot shoe EVF.

    As for sensor, yes the 5n is a nice sensor, and works better with legacy lens, but the 7 sensor has just that much more resolution. What we need is a 7 sensor that has more angular microlens or similar to match performance with 5n sensor with legacy lens. It also should have a dedicated pixel combining processor which could ideally make 16MP RAW files from the 24MP sensor for low light situations and full 24MP for standard lighting.

    What do u think of this?

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Pixel binning would be nice. I am looking forward to the 41MP Nokia Pureview, that will be my first "smart phone".

    Despite the resolution, the noise in NEX-7 files even at ISO100 is a bit too much.

    It is not an overstatement when I say that the NEX-7 (and a whole set of new E primes) aren't getting much use since the purchase of the little plastic NEX-C3. It does not even look cute now as I have covered it up with all sorts of things. What it delivers is lovely!

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    I would also like a 5N sensor (16 mp is plenty) in a 7 body and also it should have NO video capability. Stills only please.
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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Carl, I used to think that video was a nuisance. However, it does have its advantages for still photography.

    1. Better live view (high refresh rates).

    2. Better hardware. The sensors get a better heatsink for video.

    I don't use the video in the NEX' but do not mind it as long as the video button is out of the way and is not prone to accidental activations.

    I agree that 16MP is plenty.

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Seems that Sony will announce a new 3F (C3 successor) in mid-May. Will be interesting to see the specs.
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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    16mp isn't really that much, even if you only print at moderate 13x19 size. In fact, 24mp is a nice sweet spot for that print size, being around 300 ppi. The NEX-7 isn't any noisier than the 16mp sensor, if you output them to the same size and compare. How big do you guy's print?

    I doubt we'll even see many more cameras with the 16mp sensor at all, as it is moving down the line. Even Nikon's new cheapie DSLR has a 24mp sensor. I think that Sony improving edge performance of the 24mp sensor would be more desirable than going backwards to the C3/5N's sensor, personally. Either way, I'd imagine that the NEX-7 level camera will be on a longer refresh cycle than the lower models, so we probably won't see an update to it for at least a couple of years.

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    agree Douglasf13, but it would be nice if there was a built in selectable Low noise RAW output for the Nex 7 whereby it can pixel bin and essentially get the low noise characteristics of the 5n and c3 without having to post process every image individually.

    I am sure people have printed nice 13x19 from 4MP images in the past and have had good results. Guess though with 300dpi printing of images, one will have to view prints with magnifying glass to truely appreciate 24MP prints

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    agree Douglasf13, but it would be nice if there was a built in selectable Low noise RAW output for the Nex 7 whereby it can pixel bin and essentially get the low noise characteristics of the 5n and c3 without having to post process every image individually.

    I am sure people have printed nice 13x19 from 4MP images in the past and have had good results. Guess though with 300dpi printing of images, one will have to view prints with magnifying glass to truely appreciate 24MP prints
    I don't understand the point of needing raw pixel binning. Either you shoot jpegs, in which you have selectable image sizes, or, you shoot raw, in which you output from the raw converter at any size that you wish, which equalizes the noise performance of sensors with various pixel numbers.

    300ppi is generally considered minimum "photo quality," although I agree that different people have different expectations. While subtle, there is a difference between my 16mp and 24mp 13x19 prints.

    Ultimately, assuming the same sensor technology, the only negative about more megapixels is data throughput speed and storage space. Of course, in the case of the NEX-7, there are apparently some edge performance issues, which could be solved.

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Quote Originally Posted by m_driscoll View Post
    I have both the 5N and the Nex 7. I would like a 5N2 with the same sensor as the 5N with the integrated EVF of the 7. I'd, also, like a 7N with the ISO performance of the current 5N (7N2?) And...I'd like a full frame 8N with the Sony sensor in the D800. Sony, make it so!

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    Agreed!
    That's the way to go; full frame, small body, EVF and as many MP's possible/needs to get along with all the good (M) lenses and a well corrected/functioning corner performance included.

    It is very easy to sum up what one wants but when and how can it be realized. Sony is on it's way, I believe.

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Going full frame small body would indeed be nice, although looking at the current E-mount, it would need to be enlarged a bit to accommodate the 35mm sensor. The idea of small body and large FF lens may be not be very proportionate. Already the 5n with Emount lens for some is not as desirable as lens is still quite large compared to body. Micro 4/3 addresses this well.

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Sony is on it's way, I believe.

    Michiel
    I am beginning to have some trust in that line (taken out of context, on purpose).

    The camera upgrades aren't like the other companies. Something substantial is always there.

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hatam View Post
    Seems that Sony will announce a new 3F (C3 successor) in mid-May. Will be interesting to see the specs.
    I am looking forward to this as well.

    (BTW, the Leica nuts are incorrigible, it seems. The title says 3c and you say 3F.)

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Oops... F3 (not 3F)!!!

    Looks like the F3 will use the 16MP sensor with upgraded processor:

    sonyalpharumors | Blog | (SR5) A37 and NEX-F3 with same 16 Megapixel sensor (and improved image quality).

    I'm looking forward to seeing the newly designed "innovative" body style.
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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    Mike, The F3 looks like a cross between the 5N and the 7.

    sonyalpharumors | Blog | (SR5) Massive leak of new NEX-F3 pictures!!!

    A compromise but I can accept that.

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    Re: Would like a 3c/5N sensor in a NEX-7 type camera

    It's a little bigger than I hoped/expected, but it has a few nice surprises, such as the flex-flash (looks like the same as NEX-7) and the 180-flip LCD. Overall, looks like a nice package - maybe a better overall package than the 5N now.
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