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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

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    Good link.

    The reason I have put together the kit I have ... Olympus E-1, Nikon F bodies, and Leica M4-2, M9, Ricoh GXR bodies ... is that I can use my preferred lenses in Leica M, LTM, Olympus and Nikon mounts almost across the board with all of them. It's the lenses that make the system.

    The weird thing is that the further I go with my photography, the less lenses and bodies I need and use. I really only need three, maybe four, top notch lenses that I like for more than 95% of everything I shoot now, and that's stretching it.

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    Douglas, is that the Sigma 19 you use? (I have the 30 and the Sony 50/1.8 coming.)

    On this trip, I have taken the OM-D plus 20/1.7 and the NEX-7 with the Sigma 30/2.8—still looking for the ultimate one-lens–one-body solution!

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    What is a bit odd, is that when Sony launched the Alpha cameras, there was a relatively complete range of lenses within a short period of time. With NEX, that hasn't happened, and that leaves me totally uninterested in the cameras as well. Maybe NEX isn't winding down, but I do get a feeling that it has never really been winding up.
    FWIW, the NEX line is also Alpha cameras/lenses. Only it is Alpha E instead of Alpha A.

    As long as Sony is trying to emulate Samsung (NX -> NEX, wifi -> wifi, 180 flip screen for self portrait,.....), not much winding either way is going to happen?

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Douglas, is that the Sigma 19 you use? (I have the 30 and the Sony 50/1.8 coming.)

    On this trip, I have taken the OM-D plus 20/1.7 and the NEX-7 with the Sigma 30/2.8—still looking for the ultimate one-lens–one-body solution!
    Yeah, I find the Sigma 19 to be as good as any other side I've tried for NEX, although I don't use wide a lot, so take that with a grain of salt.

    My friend has the OM-D and 20/1.7, and that is an interesting combo to me, but I haven't had a chance to try it. The Panny 20 is slightly wider, but slightly faster in aperture equivalent, so it'd pretty much be a wash for me in comparison with the Sigmarit 30 on the NEX-7. I like that the Panny lens is smaller, but the OM-D is taller than the NEX-7, so I'd say that's basically a wash, too.

    What are your feelings, so far? IQ? How do the EVFs compare? Have you had any of the banding issues that have been reported with that lens on the OM-D at high ISO? Since I shoot mostly a standard-ish prime, I think the OM-D + 20/1.7 (or 25/1.4) is a pretty cool looking, potential option for me.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    ..still looking for the ultimate one-lens–one-body solution!
    I am looking at the M9M and a Summicron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Douglas, is that the Sigma 19 you use? (I have the 30 and the Sony 50/1.8 coming.)

    On this trip, I have taken the OM-D plus 20/1.7 and the NEX-7 with the Sigma 30/2.8—still looking for the ultimate one-lens–one-body solution!
    I guess you also mean light solution, other wise you could just use an A900 with the Zeiss 24-70 2.8, ho hum

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Nearly all of the original Sony Alpha lenses were rebadged Minolta lenses, so they had a way to fast track the system. I don't quite understand the big deal. Sony has shown the Nex lens roadmap and basically stuck with it. This stuff takes time, and m4/3 had quite a head start.

    It doesn't matter to me much, anyways. Regardless of the system, I only shoot 3-4 lenses, and I'm already covered by Sony/Sigma. I may be interested in the large aperture standard prime, but I'm enjoying my current lens setup of 19, 30, 50.
    Many were re-badged Minolta lenses, but there were a number of Zeiss lenses also available within short time, some from the start, and those were for many the reason to buy into the system. That can certainly not be said about NEX.

    The m4/3 head start was one and a half years. Now m4/3 is 3.5 years and NEX 2 years old. m4/3 obviously has the advantage of being supported by two major camera manufacturers, but that's life for Sony at the moment. They have to compete with any multi-headed troll that appears on the horizon.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    FWIW, the NEX line is also Alpha cameras/lenses. Only it is Alpha E instead of Alpha A.
    In that case, one must say that m4/3 is also 4/3 lenses. That doesn't improve things much for Sony I'm afraid. You want a standard zoom? There are at least seven available in 4/3 mount from Panalympic alone. Then there's Sigma. Telephoto lenses? An abundance, anything from the cheapish 70-300 to the stellar 300/2.8 or the 150/2.

    While most people only buy and use a few lenses, they are often looking for a particular combination of focal length, aperture and quality. I was very enthusiastic towards NEX when it was launched, but after trying their widest lens, the 16mm (is it still the widest?), and waiting it out for a couple of years, I find m4/3 totally superior as a system. The larger sensor is nice, the lens selection isn't. The fact that only the top model has a built in viewfinder is the final nail for me.

    I hate to be negative, but I'm afraid that Sony is in for a long, uphill struggle here, and their coffers aren't as deep as they where during their heydays. I've also noticed that they keep complaining about the world economy and a diminishing markets. That hasn't prevented Samsung from crushing their market share on the TV arena in a steamroller like manner, so the market isn't diminishing for everyone. There seems to be something wrong with the attitude at Sony at the moment, and attitudes come from the top. When one sees what Olympus has been able to achieve under their corrupted leadership, one can wonder what is going on at Sony's board meetings.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Many were re-badged Minolta lenses, but there were a number of Zeiss lenses also available within short time, some from the start, and those were for many the reason to buy into the system. That can certainly not be said about NEX.

    The m4/3 head start was one and a half years. Now m4/3 is 3.5 years and NEX 2 years old. m4/3 obviously has the advantage of being supported by two major camera manufacturers, but that's life for Sony at the moment. They have to compete with any multi-headed troll that appears on the horizon.
    Yeah, I had a couple of those lenses, but there were only 2 Zeiss primes close to launch, and it took a while for the Zeiss zooms to come along (except for the aps-c one.)

    I actually feel pretty good about the Sony lens line. The 24 and 50 are good lenses, and there's a fast standard, mid tele, wide zoom, G zoom and a couple of others coming this year and next, which isn't too bad. I only ever need 3-4 lenses for any system. Sigma has filled in the gap nicely for me right now.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post

    That hasn't prevented Samsung from crushing their market share on the TV arena in a steamroller like manner, so the market isn't diminishing for everyone. There seems to be something wrong with the attitude at Sony at the moment, and attitudes come from the top. When one sees what Olympus has been able to achieve under their corrupted leadership, one can wonder what is going on at Sony's board meetings.
    They only seem to react to what Samsung are doing. That seems to be the main problem. I am enjoying the ride as long as it lasts.

    The m4/3rds is cruising. The undisputed leaders in the mirrorless arena.

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    agree m4/3 is indeed in a good place. Would be interesting if other companies other than Panasonic and Olympus join the m4/3 club

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Then you should not have a problem with me if you correct your reading of a question as "declaration".
    Interesting statement, you're technically correct but I think the difference between your rhetorical question and a declaration is not awfully large.
    Secondly you didn't address my second (and in my mind more important) issue with your OP, but maybe silence is concurrance

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quite possibly and it makes absolutely no difference to me or my photography.

    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    Secondly you didn't address my second (and in my mind more important) issue with your OP, but maybe silence is concurrance
    Read post #8. I happened to have looked at the features of the models in a bit more detail because they matter to me.

    Your rhetoric about what you have, be happy, blah, blah. Good for you! Be happy!
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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    @ mazor: Ho-hum indeed! Having lugged multiple bodies (FF, both film and digital) for waayyy too many years (30+), I felt it was time to explore the smaller/lighter options.

    I had that lens on the A850, too, and it was excellent.

    @ Vivek: lovely combination optically, but (I say this ducking for cover) I really do not like the ergonomics of the M8/9 body, and the M9 is not a small camera—I prefer the feel of the X-Pro1, personally if one were going that large. But I decided not to get it simply because it (XP1) is not a small camera either, in the way the NEX-7 plus Sigmaret is. and no tilting EVE nor fold-out LCD, and I need one or the other. And then there's the no adjustable diopter. And for some things (dogs, children) I like the way good AF works. Face detection on the OM-D really works, and it's definitely faster and more accurate than focus and recompose, for me.

    @ Douglas: I have the 25/1.4 too as well as the 20/1.7, but when it's fitted, I feel the total package is a bit big; I left that one at home. Feelings-wise (because I have had to get a copy of Lr to process the Raw files; Aperture now recognises these now, so can do a side-by side comparison), the OM-D files are not as malleable as the NEX-7 ones, but that's just a feeling. I will be able to shoot them side by side after today (getting the NEX-7 back today).

    The NEX-7 will have the Sigmaret; the OM-D the Panny 20/1.7, so while not the same EFOV, close enough I am hoping to make a meaningful comparison. So far, using the OM-D, I feel you need to protect highlights 1/3EV more than bigger frame cameras, but that's WRT FF sensors. Whether that difference is still apparent between APS-C and µ4/3rds, given the sensor improvements, I can't say yet.

    Re. Panny 20/1.4 on the OM-D: no banding at high ISO (but I rarely go over 3200) so far but (and this has to be expected, IMHO), some CA when wide open, and some flare when shooing into bright backlit subjects. It's a brilliant little lens otherwise.

    Re. EVFs: have not looked side-by-side yet (as mentioned, I have not had the NEX in my hands for a few weeks); but I get it back today, and will look. My impression is that the OM-D is definitely good enough, way better than the GXR, and in use as good as the NEX-7. Side-by-side might be different!
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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Fantastic, thanks Kit.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Good for you! Be happy!
    Why don't you follow your own advice and be happy, buying and changing lenses and bodies faster than dirty underwear isn't going to make you any happier unless you're a gear geek.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    I personally, don't think so. Too many photographic dilettantes, like me, switch from camera system to camera system, several times a year. On this forum, that means switching sections and threads (might seem like "winding down")

    My 'constant' is the Leica M system. My other systems are, somewhat (other then the Sony A) based on their ability to use Leica glass and offer something missing from the Leica. My missing elements are AF, compact size, viewfinder, larger tilting LCD, big glass, and high ISO performance.
    M9 - Leica glass!
    Nex 7 - AF, compact size, viewfinder, tilting LCD, Sony A mount lenses, reasonably good E - mount lenses, decent high ISO, big Sony glass with adapter, Leica glass and almost any other lens with an adapter, and Focus Peaking!
    A77 - fast AF, viewfinder, tilting LCD, decent high ISO, big glass and excellent lenses
    Fuji X-Pro 1- fast enough AF, excellent fast prime lenses, high ISO performance, viewfinder, Leica glass with adapter
    Fuji X10 - AF, compact size, fast fixed telephoto, good enough high ISO

    IQ isn't missing from the M9. The cameras above certainly don't compete with it on that score. I think (and hope) the Nex system will be around for a while, and keep improving. It has a lot going for it!

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    As long as Sony is trying to emulate Samsung (NX -> NEX, wifi -> wifi, 180 flip screen for self portrait,.....), not much winding either way is going to happen?
    I still don't see what the big deal is: As originally shipped, the NEX-3 and 5 were clearly conceived as "lifestyle" products, and I think Sony was not expecting so many advanced users! Nevertheless, they greatly improved the firmware for the earlier cameras, shipped the NEX-7 and 24/1.8 Zeiss lens, and have a "G" zoom on the way. That's a pretty quick turnabout I think.

    But there's still room for "Lifestyle" too, and in fact, a lot of today's pro/prosumer features started off as silly consumer gimmicks. Like video, articulated screens and so on.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Using the two cameras today (NEX-7, OM-D), indoors, I am convinced that the EVF of the OM-D is the better of the two, against all specs, and what others have written. Some reasons:

    OM-D diopter is far the easier EFV to focus (meaning to get a clear image in the finder), and I have the JPEGs in both set to reduced contrast (-1) and the Sony set to +1 sharpness (another [poster's recommendation of +3 made the image look way too video-like for me, with the Sigmaret mounted (so, using AF).

    And the big one is that the image is clearer and more detailed. I was sufficiently concerned that the NEX-7 EVF was inferior to the 5N's external finder that I sent the '7 back to the dealer for him to check; I had already sold the 5N by that time and thus could not compare. Side-by-side in the same interior (my AZ hotel room!) my impression is that the OM-D finder is simply a better image, despite way less pixels. The NEX-7 finder strains my eyesight (the eye is constantly trying to make the image better), whereas the the eye is relaxed using the OM-D.

    I cannot find a way to have shadows/highlights displaying on the NEX-7 while composing; is there one? I find this very handy with the OM-D; often faster than the histogram.

    That's all for now; more later.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    I am hanging on to my NEX 7 and will wait for these new sony e lenses to come out.
    Hell it took forever to get and I like the size of it, and the built in EVF range finder style. Sure I would have liked a NEX 7 with the 16mp sensor and life would be better.

    Though since I don't really like 3:2 format to start with, having the 24mp sensor is a plus because i end up chopping off to 5:4 format which I much prefer and still end up with a 18-20mp image...

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    No kidding, and both of those are expected this year, so we'll see soon enough (although I think the 35mm will be f1.8.)
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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    Why don't you follow your own advice and be happy, buying and changing lenses and bodies faster than dirty underwear isn't going to make you any happier unless you're a gear geek.
    I think your sole purpose here appears to be to harrass me. I have no clue who you are and I would ask you to leave me and my posts alone. Thanks. I am not too enthusiastic to be posting here under these circumstances.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    kit laughlin, i have never had issues focusing the dioptor on the 5n external viewfinder. Is it possible that your nex7 one is not calibrated properly? From the spec the nex 5n evf accessory is the same spec as the nex 7 built in evf.

    My evf is so clear and easy to view, I find myself frequently reviewing my images through the evf rather than the lcd.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    kit laughlin, i have never had issues focusing the dioptor on the 5n external viewfinder. Is it possible that your nex7 one is not calibrated properly? From the spec the nex 5n evf accessory is the same spec as the nex 7 built in evf.

    My evf is so clear and easy to view, I find myself frequently reviewing my images through the evf rather than the lcd.
    +1, and I don't remember a difference between my 5N and 7 EVF.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Hello mazor and douglas; I sent the NEX-7 back to the dealer, who compared it to others, and he said it was the same—and I respect that, but I am selling it because I do not find it as good, or as 'transparent' as the 5N's.

    Not sure what's going on, but I do not enjoy looking though it as much as the OM-D. Thanks for the comments.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    That's interesting, thanks Kit. After talking to a lot of various users about various EVFs, I think people's eyes differ enough to make the preferences vary quite a bit. The NEX-7 EVF is great for me, but I'll just have to try that OM-D out sometime.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Yes that is true different peoples eyes work differently with viewfinders and dioptor adjustments.

    The thing is Kit found the 5n's viewfinder ok, which is strange, as they are meant to be the same EVF, but hey maybe the lens in front of the EVf are different

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    I do notice that I prefer shooting the 7 with the eyecup removed, so that I can get my eye right up on the lens. With the 5N, I left the eye cup on, because tilting the EVF up a little allowed a good angle.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    nice Douglasf13, was about to mention maybe the eyecups are different. I think I use my 5n in a similar manner you do, I too always tilt the EVF about 45 degrees angle for street or low angle photography.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    In one way I agree that it is important to have the right lenses for the task and those with the right quality. But then the next question would be: how many different lenses does one really "need"?

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    In one way I agree that it is important to have the right lenses for the task and those with the right quality. But then the next question would be: how many different lenses does one really "need"?
    No kidding. I constantly see this argument for the Canon DSLR system, but I only use 3-4 focal lengths max on any system.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Back to the original question - I dont think the Nex system is winding down.
    The reason why we see some people selling Nex7 cameras and buying x-pro 1 and omd is because those cameras are 3 months "newer" models with some new bells and whistles.
    (of course this is just my theory and by the way I am one which jumps ship to often in regards of those small cameras)
    One thing seems obvious - not so many people here do like those mirrorless cameras enough that one would keep a model more than how long? 6 months? 1 year? Isnt that strange?
    I could see only 2 reasons: 1) jumping ships is not so expensive compared to switching DSLR systems
    2) we want a mirrorless systems which fullfill our needs but in the end we give up a quite some important things compared to the traditional systems:
    -We give up nice big optical viewfinders
    -smaller camera is easier to carry BUT how good can we reach buttons, how stable sits the camera in the hand
    ->in the end -after the new toy factor has gone - we are not totally happy, and once the next generation we jump ship with the hope that all will be better with the newer camera...but I am afraid it wont.

    By the way I see the X-Pro 1 as an exception (without owning one)
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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    No kidding. I constantly see this argument for the Canon DSLR system, but I only use 3-4 focal lengths max on any system.
    I don't need that many focal lengths but when you do have a special need you do sort of want your system to be able to handle it.

    For example going to Kenya I needed a long lens.
    Right now I need ultra wide for an upcoming trip.
    Neither are everyday lenses for me.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    It really doesn't matter, for me. I'm not sure I've ever owned or used a lens longer than a 135mm-200mm equiv. on any camera. A 20-something prime, standard-ish prime, short tele prime, and occasionally a mid tele prime are all that I really need for anything I'd ever shoot, although I still shoot the standard a large majority of the time. I enjoy limitations in art.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Terry, If you want to keep with the sony E series lens I think for travelling the 18-200 would suit most of your applications, maybe together with the 16mm pancake with wide angle converters. If you have space left a 24 zeiss 1.8 or the 50mm f1.8 could be favourable for street or low light photography.


    Think sony has a good selection of primes and zooms for their E system, considering they are going solo. Panasonic and Olympus used a shared MFT mount plus had a head start, so it is not unusual for such an abundant selection of lens.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

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    It really doesn't matter, for me. I'm not sure I've ever owned or used a lens longer than a 135mm-200mm equiv. on any camera. A 20-something prime, standard-ish prime, short tele prime, and occasionally a mid tele prime are all that I really need for anything I'd ever shoot, although I still shoot the standard a large majority of the time. I enjoy limitations in art.
    I have over 10 lenses for my Leica M and use 50mm 90%. Sometimes 35mm, sometimes 85mm. Seldomly 21 or 24 mm.
    The only reason why I (still) have all those lenses is because I cant make up my mind.
    I plan to reduce to 21,35,50 and either 85 or 90mm.
    Of course if I was a sports or wildlife shooter, one long lens would be needed at least.
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    I don't think it is winding down as much as settling in. We see it all the time a new camera hits the market and the techno junkies swarm to it like a pack of piranhas. Sony had supply issues with the 7 so the feeding frenzy lasted much longer than normal. Thus, forums had much more than normal hype about it. Those that had product informed those that didn't lusted... Kept the forums hopping since Aug '11. Now, the 7's are becoming readily available. Those that wanted them now have them.

    Now, the new fodder that has hit the water is the D800's and OMD's. Once again the school has moved to the fresh meat and both of these products are also in limited demand so the feeding frenzy continues. This just seems to be a never ending process in today's photography.

    Usually, the chatter on forms slows greatly when everyone who wants one has one and is using them. Personally, I am relatively happy with my current line up of hardware and hopefully will stay out of the photography hardware feeding frenzy's for a few years now Being retired on fixed income make it tough finacially to run with the techno pack. Hope they find their "golden ring" or "magic beans" or "crock of gold" that they are looking for
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    >Being retired on fixed income make it tough finacially to run with the techno pack.

    Great, that means you have time to take photos :-)
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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    I don't think it is winding down as much as settling in. We see it all the time a new camera hits the market and the techno junkies swarm to it like a pack of piranhas. Sony had supply issues with the 7 so the feeding frenzy lasted much longer than normal. Thus, forums had much more than normal hype about it. Those that had product informed those that didn't lusted... Kept the forums hopping since Aug '11. Now, the 7's are becoming readily available. Those that wanted them now have them.

    Now, the new fodder that has hit the water is the D800's and OMD's. Once again the school has moved to the fresh meat and both of these products are also in limited demand so the feeding frenzy continues. This just seems to be a never ending process in today's photography.

    Usually, the chatter on forms slows greatly when everyone who wants one has one and is using them. Personally, I am relatively happy with my current line up of hardware and hopefully will stay out of the photography hardware feeding frenzy's for a few years now Being retired on fixed income make it tough finacially to run with the techno pack. Hope they find their "golden ring" or "magic beans" or "crock of gold" that they are looking for
    +1 ... 100%

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    I am still loving my NEX 7, with three lenses I carry in a Clik Elite waist pack.
    Sigmarit 19,30 and sony 50/1.8
    I think its a great setup, nice and small, light and at base iSO great images...

    When I want to carry more equipment on a long hike I take my D800, and when I want to shoot super high quality "road kill" i.e. Yosemite I would shot my Sinar arTec tech view camera.
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    Uwe, That I do have!

    The amazing thing to me now that I have been retired for nearly 5 years is how busy we get doing nothing.... I have no idea how I had time for work in my younger years
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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    I do not think that the system is going down either, the Amazon sales charts seem to indicate that the Nex line is pretty popular. I guess that a good percentage of the mainstream buyers vote for the lifestyle factor, and this is where the Nex can attract people. Like the f-717 years ago, the Nex line has a "sexy" caracter and just looks sleek and modern.

    I only have a Nex (the 7) since 3 weeks or so, and already it is my main used camera (98% of the time). It is light, pushes out great looking files with incredible detail and large latitude, and takes any lens I ever had, from my very first interchangeable lens (1982 Ricoh 50mm/ f2) to my latest Zeiss ZF.2

    I absolutely love (!) the form factor and weight, with the Contax G lenses the camera lies solid in the hand while being light at the same time.

    And beautiful.

    Potentially the Nex system is a winner, if only they could make the AF a bit faster. But 80% of the time I do not need a fast AF. For the rest I have my Nikon d700.-

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    We live near various tourist attractions out here in Hollywood, and we'll occasionally go to them for a movie or dinner, and I've surprised just how many NEX cameras are in the hands of tourists these days. I rarely saw tourists with Sony DSLRs when I was shooting them, but I've seen tons of NEXs around. I even saw a gentlemen with a NEX-7 last weekend outside of the Kodak (formerly know as) Theater.

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    bmw just introduced the x1, they must be winding down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    We live near various tourist attractions out here in Hollywood, and we'll occasionally go to them for a movie or dinner, and I've surprised just how many NEX cameras are in the hands of tourists these days. I rarely saw tourists with Sony DSLRs when I was shooting them, but I've seen tons of NEXs around. I even saw a gentlemen with a NEX-7 last weekend outside of the Kodak (formerly know as) Theater.
    I saw the same amount of m4/3 and nex systems on my last trip. One xpro1, one leica, one contax slr, and countless dslrs.

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    After spending more time shooting with the EM-5/OM-D, with accessory grip, I have decided to sell both my X100 and NEX7. The more I use the OM-D, the harder it is to go back to the other mirrorless options. I also tried out the XPro, and while I did really like the 35mm f1.4, the camera's ultimate size and handling just didn't really feel like a system I'd want to put $3000 or so into.

    The NEX7 is still a very good camera overall, with a great EVF, amazing resolution and a pretty good good selection of glass these days with the 24 and 50 sony's and 19 and 30 panasonics. 24 Zeiss is of course pricey but the other options are all quite good for very affordable prices

    All and all though it comes down to the OM-D just offering a bit more bang for the buck and proving a little more enjoyable to shoot.

    The NEX7 EVF is fantastic for manual focus and its got exceptional resolution, but outdoors I find its just rather contrasty and really makes it hard to judge the exposure for areas of shade and shadow. Its also got a bit of a lag when switching with the eye sensor which can be annoying. I've taken the eye cup off and that does help but then dealing with stray light can be more of an issue.

    EM-5 in contrast just seems to work pretty effortlessly. You can customize every button and dial, even the record button (take note Sony!) to do what you want, and even better, you can save all these customizations as user settings which are very easy to recall (again take note Sony!)

    The AF on the EM-5 is so fast it feels that its instant, and being able to select the AF point via the touch screen is also a feature I'm quickly becoming to make regular use of. Really the overall quality of the touch screen is what sets it apart for me. I've had the NEX5n and GH2 which have touch screens but never found them to work well. The EM-5 has the iPhone style which is very accurate and works flawlessly. Sadly no multi gesture to zoom in/out etc which would of been really cool (take note Olympus)

    The EM-5 evf while not that high of resolution has great clarity and really shows the scene as it will be captured, it also has a very fast refresh rate (with an option to double it) with no motion blur or lag. It certainly still looks like an EVF but one that I feel I can accurately judge the exposure on.

    Top it off with the amazing IBIS system and a great range of native lenses and its just becoming the camera I'm grabbing.

    The NEX7 by no means is a bad camera, and for base ISO tripod work it certainly has the resolution advantage, but for my overall general photography its just not as enjoyable to shoot with as the EM-5
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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by ken_vs_ryu View Post
    I saw the same amount of m4/3 and nex systems on my last trip. One xpro1, one leica, one contax slr, and countless dslrs.
    Yeah, I've been surprised to see as many NEXs as m4/3s.

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    Yeah, I've been surprised to see as many NEXs as m4/3s.

    Sony's got a large marketing arm and does quite well in getting camera's into the big box retailers in addition to camera shops. Its also a brand name that most consumers know well and associate with high quality when it comes to electronics.

    Its honestly pretty hard to find much in the way of Panasonic or Olympus products (at least in the United States) and brands like Olympus, despite having a great history, just aren't quite the household name. Likewise your not going to walk into Best Buy and find a Fuji X100.

    If your an enthusiast and know a bit about camera's gear then your probably familiar with the m4/3 cameras, the Fuji's etc, but to those who don't know, generally the feeling is that a Sony product is going to be pretty good, especially when you see them in a nice display case at the end of the isle.

    Generally speaking I don't think you can really go wrong buying a Sony electronics product be it a digital camera, a HDTV, a blu ray player etc. May not be the cheapest, may not be the best, but its going to do what 95% of consumers want/expect.

    It's actually funny at times because when I've had Leica's, non-photographer friends actually thought I got some generic brand from China because they weren't familiar with it.

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    I know this is a cliche but it is rarely ever the hardware and usually always the thing that occupies the 12" behind the viewfinder that really makes the major difference in creating fine images. IMO the above is a ultimate truth! We all have seen great images made from pinhole cameras, cellphones, P&S, mirrorless whatever's, dSLR's , and up through high dollar tech cameras. I look at some of the images from the techno pack that they create as early adopters and they are fantastic. Then next month or a few months later I see them with new equipment posting once again beautiful pictures. Scan back just 2-3 years and just look at all the "best camera I have ever used" comments then a short time later the units are on the buy and sell forum. If it was great the first month and the images prove that out how can it be bad two months later?

    It is near amusing to me to watch many of the same people jumping on and off of ships in an effort for the perfect image. From my vantage point many of these people are creating the perfect image with whatever is in their hands some other?????? Well at best it's subjective.

    Sad thing is ... If money was no object and if I had an unlimited bank roll I would most likely be in the middle of the techno pack myself Retirement, the economy, and a fixed income that buys 20% less than it did in 2007 kinda makes one step back and check the realities which is: there are no crocks of gold at the end of rainbows. I think the site I was looking at this week was R Huffs where he was comparing the d800-NEX 7- OMD now granted we are talking about comparing apples to almonds here but looking at the images he posted and the crops. If I had not seen the others I would of been happy with any of them. Some of the best images I have ever seen were made by some of the techno pack using a Nex7 that they no longer own!

    So no I think the NEX system is doing fine it's just the new is beginning to wear off and now we are into the use and enjoy mode which doesn't promote too much photo forum chit chat as it did when it was new and unavailable.
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    +1

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    Re: Is the NEX system winding down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    I look at some of the images from the techno pack that they create as early adopters and they are fantastic. Then next month or a few months later I see them with new equipment posting once again beautiful pictures.
    Nice post Jim.

    As a recovering member of the "Techno Pack" - have been with the NEX platform for one whole year without yielding to the allure of another - this hits home. I believe this is a lifelong affliction for some, at least as long as their bankroll can support.

    I was thinking about this some recently as I scanned all the "test photos" from various cameras I have used in the past few years. What drives this obsession? One thing I noticed is that my photos have in most cases become more technically perfect. Does that make them better? Hell no.

    I think it is time to focus more on those 12".

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