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    Bullish on Sony

    I was curious how many member here are "all-in" on the Sony platform, meaning you shoot NEX and A-Mount APS-C or FF (and with the new RX100, maybe plan on using their compact as well).

    I've not been one for brand loyalty over the years, although I have shot Canon exclusively in the DSLR department. Like many here, I have been through the merry-go-round of m4/3 cameras, Fuji X100s, Ricoh, NEX, etc. But I have always been a fan of older Contax 35mm and 645 cameras and felt like Sony with Zeiss was closest to that look.

    So I recently decided to ditch the Canon gear and buy a used A900, convert my old C/Y Zeiss lenses (28mm and 50mm) to A-Mount and trade the Canon L glass for Zeiss Alpha (24mm and 135mm) and a Samyang to cover the 35mm spot. Throw in the LEA2 adapter for the NEX-7 and I am enjoying an impressive number of focal lengths with fast PDAF. And with the A99 around the corner, those adapted C/Y lenses will soon gain peaking focus capability on FF!

    Add to the mix the original NEX 3 with the Sigma 30mm as a go everywhere compact and I'm feeling like this is a nice place to be. No other manufacturer is offering the full range (I guess you could argue for Leica with the X2, M and S2 but that is insane money) of platforms that Sony is at the moment and it is nice to feel consolidated yet still enjoy the flexibility to shoot so many types of lens/sensor combos.

    So is anyone else going whole hog with Sony or planing to do so soon?

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    I've been shooting Sony A and E for some time. I started with the Minolta 7D and went forwards having originally been a Nikon/Hasselblad/Wista shooter.

    Sometimes I wistfully look at Nikon gear and wonder ... D800?, Hmmm ... but so far I've stuck with Sony exclusively.

    Lets hope the A99 is as good as has been hinted. For those who don't like the EVF, I've got used to it with my NEX7 and quite like the on screen histogram and the spirit level.

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    I use NEX7 and a900 with a stable of Zeiss and Minolta glass. Great system, the A900 is very intuitive, and i love it. The NEX is a nightmare for me, a left eyed shooter, and the confusing and time consuming menues. Also, i dislike the EVF, but i am 75, and set in my ways. I just jumped ship with a D800, 14-24 Nikkor, 18mm Zeiss, 50mm AF Nikkor, 90mm f3.5 Voigtlander MF Apo Lanther SLII, and 70-300 Tamron VC. I got tired of waiting for Sony to come out with an OVF 36mp camera.
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    Re: Bullish on Sony

    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman View Post
    Lets hope the A99 is as good as has been hinted. For those who don't like the EVF, I've got used to it with my NEX7 and quite like the on screen histogram and the spirit level.
    Yes! I'm a fan of both the A900 OVF and the NEX EVF so plan on keeping the A900 as a second body and using the A99 for shooting concerts where I need to make fast exposure adjustments and will benefit from seeing said adjustments in realtime.

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    Re: Bullish on Sony

    I was a big Contax fan also, 645 and many 35mm cameras over the years ... even the AX for auto-focus with the Zeiss 85/1.2 Anniversary. Also used the N cameras including the N Digital.

    I blew through numerous Canon and Nikon system swaps in search of a replacement when Kyocera opted out of the camera business ... even adapting my Zeiss CY and N lenses to Canon mount ... to no avail because of too many compromises. IMO, the sudden demise of the Contax line was the biggest tragedy in photographic tool history, and could only be surpassed if Leica had stopped making the M camera.

    Then came the 24 meg FF A900 with Zeiss A mount AF optics. Not only did it physically resemble the N camera, so did the feel of the images. Still the best out of camera color, look and feel of any 35mm DSLR camera to date, including the latest greatest IMO. That every lens you put on it is stabilized is still a huge advantage.

    I have a suspicion that 20 to 24 meg is the sweet spot for 35mm DSLRs, so I'm not all that geeked about an overly electronic, super high meg A99 anymore. We'll see, but I am very cautious about it.

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    Re: Bullish on Sony

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I have a suspicion that 20 to 24 meg is the sweet spot for 35mm DSLRs, so I'm not all that geeked about an overly electronic, super high meg A99 anymore. We'll see, but I am very cautious about it.

    -Marc
    Marc,

    All the rumors I'm seeing put the A99 at 24mp which is fine with me. The only thing they need to do over the A900 is improve high ISO and maybe throw in a little extra color depth and DR.

    I am blown away by both the ZA lenses and the adapted C/Y lenses on the A900. I also had a Contax AX with a 85mm 1.4 and nothing until this Sony/Zeiss combo approached that.

    I'll probably keep the ZA lenses on the A900 most the time and shoot the A99 with the adapted C/Y lenses and peaking. Very exciting stuff if you are a Contax/Zeiss fan.

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    I also started with this system with a KM 7d due to inbody stabilization. I also owned a ContaxG2 system at the same time. Well if you ever want a camera company to go out of business let me but into it poif both gone in a matter of a year or two after I got into them.

    I held back from buying a Sony till the NEX5. This format seemed like the perfect match for what I needed (a universal digital back I could use with my Alpha glass and my ContaxG2 glass. Worked great except for flash and wildlife so then came the a33.

    Now I use a NEX7, a a77, the a33 and the NEX5. Each has their strong and weak points and I use them like golf clubs on a course. I grab the one who's strong point best meets my current needs. The a77 for long lens wildlife and macro, a33 with stroboframe and TTL for flash work, the NEX7 for landscapes with legacy glass and the NEX5 for backup.

    Never owned one camera that could do everything great so this is what I have settled in with. Sure the d800e or d4 look great to me but I am retired and the wall street crash of 2008 took out 48% of my retirement savings in a matter of weeks and I am still minus to my pre 2008 numbers. The rate of inflation and rising cost of everything pretty much has pinned me into staying put with the camera systems I have. It's a hobby for me and I have to remember that when the needs and wants pop in my head.

    So, with the above I guess you could say I am all in with Sony. The reality of the situation is I would be all in no matter which manufacturers system I currently had and quite honestly I don't believe my images would be better or worse no matter which system I was using. I do alright with what I have and I get enough images that make me happy and that is all that matters.

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    I used to shoot Sony digital back in year 2000 when they brought out the DSC-P1 with all its 3MP. I then migrated to a bigger body DSC-F707 which had the carl zeiss 5x optical zoom f2.0-2.8 5MP, where the lens seemed to dominate the body. Looking back at images from this camera is still amazingly crisp, combined with the Sony signature saturation style colours, the images can be still used today.

    Unfortunately Sony did not have an interchangeable lens DLR system, so I had to jump ship to Canon, from which I accumulated some L lens, and once you are setup on a system, it can be costly to venture to switch even after Sony acquired Minolta, and started the Alpha line.

    Finally with the introduction on the Emount NEX, I got a nex 5, and then later a nex 5n. Now I actually prefer shooting on my 5n, and the Canon body get retired to the shelf for most parts.

    Am I "all in" Sony, maybe not, but I think I am pretty close. This post has been posted using a Sony VAIO heeh.

    Jim DE, as I both the nex 5 and nex 5n, I think you should upgrade to a 5n. I can seriously say the Nex 5n although very similar in formfactor to the 5, it is a completely different camera. the IQ of the 16MP Nex 5n sensor outclasses the 14MP Nex 5 sensor. It seems like every pixel is accountable on the 5n, whereas on the 5, sometimes, it just seems a little soft. Having ISO100 as a base ISO is also very helpful especially when shooting fast lens in bright light, where you want to keep a large aperture for shallow depth. The Nex 5 base ISO is 200. The ability to have electronic first curtain shutter means the shutter sounds different and responds ridiculously fast, so fast it rivals even top DSLRs. Lastly the 5n has the ability to have the addon EVF, which as we all know is amazing. The position of it is perfect, and gives one a perceived feeling of using a miniature SLR albeit the use of an EVF.

    Go 5n Jim DE, it will blow your mind away

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    Mazor, it was a choice between the 5n and the 7 for me and being as I was already familiar with the 24mp apc with my a77 and I wanted the added resolution at base ISO for scenics I went with the 7 even though the flash and EVF are of little use to me as I generally shoot ground level supported using a ir remote. In all honesty if I had to do it all over again and know what I know now about the 7 and how it works with legacy glass I doubt I would make the decision to get the 7.

    With the 5 I could use the my contaxG 28 at 5.6 and smaller apertures without smearing or color issues with the 7 the 28 is IMO unusable no matter what aperture due to severe color cast issues. So the 28 and 35 are back with my 21 in the Contax G2 bag now. I carry the 16 with both aux lenses (I must have an exceptional 16 because only at f16 do I have an issue with this lens), the sigma 30, the kit zoom, the contaxG 45 and 90. So far this is working for me. But as I said I should of waited for a 7n or whatever the next NEX version will be if it does what the 5n did to improve over the 5.

    Hide sight is always 20/20 but I am done buying cameras for quite awhile now and will just use and enjoy what I have.

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    I went for the NEX-5N because I wanted to be able to use Contax G lenses on digital body. Just recently, I got the combo of NEX-7 with Zeiss 24/1,8 and Sony 50/1,8 lenses. While I have not be using the NEX-7 for an extended period of time, I prefer the flexibility of the NEX-5N more. The Contax G28, Zeiss 25ZM, and 35ZM are not really usable on the NEX-7! The 24MP sensor of the NEX-7 has a lot of noise at high ISO. Even at ISO 400, the noises are visible. For NEX-5N, the noises seemed well controlled even at ISO 1600.
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    After trying ALL mirror-less cameras, I have put all my $ eggs in Sony's basket and have settled on NEX-7. I am finding it much better (for my use) than OM-D. Thanks to Sony, I am glad to find a compact cam with APS-C sensor

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    Well. I was going through lot of photographic adventures or shall I call it evolution. I was a pretty strict fanboy of OVF, but since I got the OMD (which happened because in Austria they still cannot deliver a D800E) I became a big fan of EVF - at least at the level as Olympus understands to implement this!

    Having said that I know how the EVF in the A77 works and this is already pretty good for me although I do not find it on par with the EVF in the OMD. I guess that the EVF of a A99 would definitely top that (think between 3-5MP and much larger magnification - or what Nikon call High Eyepoint) as well as the one in the OMD - no doubt about that. So I am pretty confident that EVF has matured and even with all the discussions about the delay through electronics and disconnection of the photographer I find the disconnection by the mirror flap even much more disturbing. Anyway there are different opinions and I must admit nothing can top the OVF of a Leica S2 or a Leica R9 or even Leica SL2 and also of course for example a Hasselblad H4D. But having said that the introduction of EVF in combination with advanced PDAF or CDAF is just a big step forward for general purpose and even high end cameras. And most pros will be served well with that.

    Coming to the point, I am eagerly awaiting the introduction of the Sony FF EVF camera - I do not care if 24 or 36MP any longer - as that would allow me to get back into this system and start using their Zeiss lens lineup, which BTW will be upgraded in certain models. And I do hope for future new lenses from Zeiss to become available over the next years.

    So very much waiting for what Sony will show in the FF DSLR area

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    Ocean, I agree about the noise issue with the 7 as I am anal about noise just like I was about grain in film. I see it starting at 400 on the monitor and then it gets worse from there BUT I don't see it in 13"x19" prints even at 1600 iso out of a 3880 Epson. Same is true for my a77's prints at 1600 as well. Just something I have to try and ignore when viewing on the screen because in the real world of prints it is not visable at least to me and my prints. This is a hard pill for me to swallow but a reality. Trust me my A77 almost went back the first week till I printed a shot.

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    Interesting. I'm somewhat in an opposite state. I am heavily invested in Sony (a900, a55, all of the ZA lenses, several G SSM lenses), and am tetering on dumping all of it due to the EVF future of FF.

    I just cannot warm up to the EVF, and I "want to." The a55 EVF is less than mediocre, and my experience in testing the a77 leaves me unimpressed. If the a99 EVF isn't a quantum leap forward in "reality" - I'm sadly going to take a bath and go Nikon D800e and equivalent glass.

    I absolutely love my a900, but with repair parts in doubt I cannot even count on keeping this fine camera up & running over the long haul.

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    Jim, thanks for your confirmation regarding the noise issue on NEX-7 sensor. I have not printed any images using NEX-5N and NEX-7. I will print some in the next few weeks.

    Overall, I am very happy with Sony A900 and NEX systems. I am hoping Sony will add few prime lenses in the near future. The rumored Zeiss ZA 50/1.2 should be nice addition.

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    Re: Bullish on Sony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean View Post
    Overall, I am very happy with Sony A900 and NEX systems. I am hoping Sony will add few prime lenses in the near future. The rumored Zeiss ZA 50/1.2 should be nice addition.
    Yes, a 50mm Zeiss would be welcomed by many - especially @ f/1.2!

    Personally, I am looking forward to a replacement for the aging 35mm 1.4G lens. It simply does not compare with the Canon 35L so I resorted to the Samyang 35mm 1.4 - from the reviews and image samples I've seen the resolution and rendering look almost identical to the Canon but you lose AF. It would be nice to have an AF Zeiss at this spot in the lineup...

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    Interesting. I'm somewhat in an opposite state. I am heavily invested in Sony (a900, a55, all of the ZA lenses, several G SSM lenses), and am tetering on dumping all of it due to the EVF future of FF.

    I just cannot warm up to the EVF, and I "want to." The a55 EVF is less than mediocre, and my experience in testing the a77 leaves me unimpressed. If the a99 EVF isn't a quantum leap forward in "reality" - I'm sadly going to take a bath and go Nikon D800e and equivalent glass.

    I absolutely love my a900, but with repair parts in doubt I cannot even count on keeping this fine camera up & running over the long haul.
    Sorry to hear that.

    For me, the A99 will also be critical but for high ISO performance. I bought into the A900 as an editorial, studio and portrait tool while betting that the A99 would be better at low light for my concert work.

    Personally, i like the idea of a second body being different as the A99 will likely be. An EVF and better high ISO performance will suit stage shooting just fine but it may not be something that a landscape photographer would see as much benefit from. Then again, if I was a landscape photographer I would have an A900 with an A850 as a backup and shoot blissfully for many years.

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    Re: Bullish on Sony

    Good point made about a second FF Sony beyond the A900 that does something different than the A900. The critical aspect for an A99 will be just how good the EVF is because it has to be a quantum leap from where the A77 is IMO. More importantly, the high ISO performance has to also significantly improve over the A900 or what is the point? Perhaps the spec's on the new FF Nikon D600 sensor will give us a hint if the A99 is indeed 24 meg.

    Where are you folks getting the Zeiss ZA 35/1.4 and 50/1.2 rumors? That would be my prayers answered ... finally.

    I will not bale on my Sony system ... I'm not a fan of the Nikon look compared to ZA AF lenses on the A900 ... and if the A99 disappoints, I'll buy up a low use A900/850 and stash it. I'm not using the Sony's nearly as much these days so they should last longer (the S2 has taken over much of the 35mm DSLR duties), but there are times it is still the best tool. Plus, it is the back-up to the S2 in case of an emergency.

    If they DO offer a Zeiss 50/1.2 and the A99 DOES improve the higher ISO performance, I can stop thinking about a Canon 1DX and 50/1.2L as a supplement to the Sony system.

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    Grasshopper chiming in:

    I picked up a few cheap but fast Minolta lenses and am pretty happy with them - for the time being. I would relish a 50/1.2 or even an AF 35 though I don't use that focal length too much. However, for those who do, it would be a great addition to the system.

    It seems that my wife volunteered me to be one of the two team photographers of my wife's triathlon team for this weekend and all other team events. The other photographer was volunteered by his wife as well. So.......instead of using my M6 with a 50/1.4 as a second body after this weekend, (everyone wants to see the pictures of themselves later in the day of the event, not a week later when the film is scanned - kids today have no patience!!!!!!) I am now looking for a used 900/850 so I don't have to change lenses at the beach (I sold the 24-80/2.8 because it was too slow and I haven't looked back). If there are any sellers out there.......

    Finally, the high iso of the a900 blows. As much as I hate flash it is giving me an opportunity to learn flash so I don't miss "critical" pictures. Maybe a 5n.

    Sony, can you please put a move on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rand47 View Post
    Interesting. I'm somewhat in an opposite state. I am heavily invested in Sony (a900, a55, all of the ZA lenses, several G SSM lenses), and am tetering on dumping all of it due to the EVF future of FF.

    I just cannot warm up to the EVF, and I "want to." The a55 EVF is less than mediocre, and my experience in testing the a77 leaves me unimpressed. If the a99 EVF isn't a quantum leap forward in "reality" - I'm sadly going to take a bath and go Nikon D800e and equivalent glass.

    I absolutely love my a900, but with repair parts in doubt I cannot even count on keeping this fine camera up & running over the long haul.

    This is a position that many of us face.

    The EVF took a lot to get used to with my NEX7, but I am now quite at home with it and I can see advantages as well as disadvantages with it.

    A good optical viewfinder such as the A900 one is hard to beat and is in many ways preferable. It is certainly more comfortable to use to start with and probably also for long term usage.

    I am waiting to see what the A99 is like and perhaps then I too will jump to Nikon but if I do it will be with much regret as I am very happy with my Sony/Zeiss gear.

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    Re: Bullish on Sony

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    Where are you folks getting the Zeiss ZA 35/1.4 and 50/1.2 rumors? That would be my prayers answered ... finally.

    -Marc
    The Zeiss 50/1.2 has been mentioned on sonyalpharumors | Home several times. They seem to have good sources of information and much of what they write about seems become available. I believe the 50/1.2 is expected to be announced about the same time as the A99 (at or just before Photokina in Sept).

    I think the 35/1.4 is just wishful thinking at this point.

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    Re: Bullish on Sony

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    Where are you folks getting the Zeiss ZA 35/1.4 and 50/1.2 rumors? That would be my prayers answered ... finally.



    -Marc
    Yes, 35/1.4 is just wishful thinking. 50/1.2 is rumored at a med-high level.

    Marc - do I see your work up on Flickr? Lot's of exotic travel to Africa and India? If so, kudos, you put me over the edge and into A900 land. Also, I think I prefer your A900 work the most, even over the S2. But you have the benefit of seeing the files at full resolution, something Flickr is not the best for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Yes, 35/1.4 is just wishful thinking. 50/1.2 is rumored at a med-high level.

    Marc - do I see your work up on Flickr? Lot's of exotic travel to Africa and India? If so, kudos, you put me over the edge and into A900 land. Also, I think I prefer your A900 work the most, even over the S2. But you have the benefit of seeing the files at full resolution, something Flickr is not the best for...
    Sadly, no it is not me ... never been to Africa or India.

    The Sony A900 is a great camera and the Zeiss lenses are terrific, but it is no Leica S2. That pup is in another category altogether. On the other hand, the Sony can do stuff the S2 cannot. Horses for courses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Sadly, no it is not me ... never been to Africa or India.

    The Sony A900 is a great camera and the Zeiss lenses are terrific, but it is no Leica S2. That pup is in another category altogether. On the other hand, the Sony can do stuff the S2 cannot. Horses for courses.

    -Marc
    Ah, sorry for the confusion. This is the guy/gal I was referring to. They shoot with the A900 and S2. Some brilliant portraits.

    mongolia_900 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

    Speaking of 35/1.4 lenses - the FedEx man just delivered the Samyang to my doorstep. I did a quick comparison with the Canon 35L (my reference lens) and it looks like I got an excellent copy. Other than the color rendering, I can't tell them apart easily. And I like the way the Samyang colors more neutrally and the colors react stronger to edits. I think it is a keeper. Now if they can just throw AF in the barrel...

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    I was curious how many member here are "all-in" on the Sony platform, meaning you shoot NEX and A-Mount APS-C or FF (and with the new RX100, maybe plan on using their compact as well).

    I've not been one for brand loyalty over the years, although I have shot Canon exclusively in the DSLR department. Like many here, I have been through the merry-go-round of m4/3 cameras, Fuji X100s, Ricoh, NEX, etc. But I have always been a fan of older Contax 35mm and 645 cameras and felt like Sony with Zeiss was closest to that look.

    So I recently decided to ditch the Canon gear and buy a used A900, convert my old C/Y Zeiss lenses (28mm and 50mm) to A-Mount and trade the Canon L glass for Zeiss Alpha (24mm and 135mm) and a Samyang to cover the 35mm spot. Throw in the LEA2 adapter for the NEX-7 and I am enjoying an impressive number of focal lengths with fast PDAF. And with the A99 around the corner, those adapted C/Y lenses will soon gain peaking focus capability on FF!

    Add to the mix the original NEX 3 with the Sigma 30mm as a go everywhere compact and I'm feeling like this is a nice place to be. No other manufacturer is offering the full range (I guess you could argue for Leica with the X2, M and S2 but that is insane money) of platforms that Sony is at the moment and it is nice to feel consolidated yet still enjoy the flexibility to shoot so many types of lens/sensor combos.

    So is anyone else going whole hog with Sony or planing to do so soon?

    I used the Nex5 for video, later got the Nex7 and the alpha adapters. However I dumped both the Nex7 and all my Nikon gear when they announced the D800 and got and A77, currently collecting FF lenses in anticipation of FF bodies.

    Nex7, usability issues, just drove me nuts
    D800, sorry but there is no innovation from Nikon. Sony's new bodies should have better AF, focus peaking, translucent mirror, in viewfinder HUD, are as fast as the D4 and just far more technically advanced. To get the most from the D800 I would have had to refresh ALL my lenses so switching slowly to the Sony/Zeiss glass. Also using the A77 feels like the Nikon in the hand.

    fwiw, I never liked Sony as a company, but their camera bodies are the best at the moment. Their video capability is incredible.

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    Since the release of their NEX- and SLT-series cameras, Sony has become a much more interesting camera company, IMO.

    What's kind of remarkable about my NEX-7 and SLT-A35 is how few shots I need to take in order to get the results that I envisioned. Live histogram in the finder? Yes please. There's still room for improvement: Higher-resolution EVFs with better handling of very bright / contrasty conditions, for instance. And the NEX-7 could be quicker to iris-up. Even so, these cameras are really good at providing me with instantaneous feedback in a way that a camera with an optical viewfinder can't touch. Chimping has become history!

    And I don't know about everyone else, but looking over the new RX100, I'm thinking that Sony has eaten Canon's lunch in the shirt-pocket compact category. Maybe Nikon's lunch too.

    Nikon's D800 looks really tempting, for it's amazing sensor at least. But I want to wait to see what Sony's response will be, because a great sensor + EVF and the ability to seamlessly switch between FF and APS-C lenses would be even more awesome.

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    Re: Bullish on Sony

    I moved from a Leica R9 with digital back producing 16bit imaging capability to the Sony A900 producing 14 bit imaging some 4/5 years ago and I really love this camera. The colours are just so natural. However it is showing it's age a bit now against more recent introductions.

    I also have the A77 which I use with the same bunch of G and ZA lenses that also produces beautifully natural colour images with further advantages over the A900 which include excellent OOC jpegs (the A900 is not so hot at OOC jpegs) and much higher ISO capability. This suits my wildlife photography perfectly as it's excellent EVF with light gain almost allows me to see in the dark, whereas the A900's OVF stops play for me once the light disappears! I now keep the A900 for landscape work.

    I tried my son-in-law's Nex 5n and 7 but couldn't get on with them at all but I was totally "lost" after first trying the Fuji X100 and now the XPro 1. For most general photography work it is a great little camera with some very fine lenses and many more in the pipeline.

    It can never replace my Sony A77 for wildlife work but it is the first camera I reach for for everything else as it produces lovely colours, very high IQ with excellent metering and very useable OOC jpegs, it is small and light compared to my A900 with a similar bag of lenses!
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    Still slogging on with my two A900s and full compliment of ZA optics + a few Sony lenses like the 70-200/2.8 APO and 50/1.4

    Both A900s work just as well for what and how I shoot as they did when new. Zero issues after years of use including demanding weddings. Still LOVE the flash design, and now that radio systems with Sony mount are available, there is little I can't pull off with the Sony's.

    With the combination of Zeiss AF lenses, Sony's out-of-box color, and exponential improvements in processing software since first getting the A900, I see nothing from the latest batch of AF 35mm DSLR cameras that offers better IQ for my use of a 35mm DSLR ... including the D800 and Canon 5D-III.

    Not interested in EVF until it is a LOT better than what is available now.

    Absolutely the best camera for the money I have ever used.

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    Not sure if I'd be considered "all in". I sold all my canon gear and bought a NEX 7 so it's my only body. However I only use Zeiss ZM lenses on it.

    My hope/plan is to await the eventual FF mirrorless system to arrive and to use the beautiful Zeiss lenses on that body. Whether that turns out to be a Sony or not I'm not too fussed.
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    Update: was an all Sony man and now I'm enjoying a Nikon D800 as well as my NEX7!

    The Sony A mount stuff is for sale on the Dyxum forum, should anyone be interested. (A900, A700, 16-35 CZ, 85 CZ, 135CZ, 24-105 Sony etc).

    This is purely a work decision as the Nikon stuff, particularly the lens choice meets my professional needs better. If I was only shooting for my pleasure, I'd have been happy enough sticking with Sony.

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    If I am a DSLR user I would still be using a Nikon as well. Wise decision!
    The D800 is simply amazing!

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    I'm actually going the opposite direction. After using an A100, A700, A900, NEX-5, NEX-5N, and NEX-7, I took the plunge on a Fuji X100 a month or so ago, and I'm loving it. For lack of a better word, it's just fun to shoot. If I were to go back to DSLR, I think I'd still probably choose an A900, and I still use the NEX-5 for occasional short tele usage.

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    So you sold all your Sony bodies but the NEX5, Doug?

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    So you sold all your Sony bodies but the NEX5, Doug?
    Hi, Jim. I've still got the NEX-7, also. It's a great camera, but I'm just not using it all that much these days, and I hate having up to date, digital gear sitting around without use, so I may sell it soon. The NEX-5 is still good enough for the odd occasion of using the Sony 50/1.8 for a family portrait or something. For my personal/art usage, the X100 just works for me, despite the fact that there are things about it that I would change, if given the chance.

    I guess I'm to the point with my cameras, processing and print size (usually 13x19 or smaller) that just about all of the mirrorless cameras out there are good enough for my uses (especially handheld,) so it's about handling, feeling, size, experience, etc. to me, at this point. In fact, I have a hard time distinguishing between the A900 and my lowly NEX-5 in the various prints on my walls.


    There's certainly a little voice in my head saying, "Hey, you can't sell the NEX-7, what happens if you want to make a really big print in the future?," but I'm trying to ignore it. Darn GAS! When I do hear this voice, I force myself to refer to this test from a friend on another forum: http://www.astroweb.no/a900/a700-vs-a900.html

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    Yeah my ole trusty NEX 5 is still seeing service even though I have the NEX7. The NEX7 just about lives with the 45mm f2 CG on it but honestly my ole NEX5 has less purple fringing with legacy glass than the NEX7 using Aperture3. The 7 just has more fine detail resolution and crop ability if needed even though I am having to use the Halo adjustment to clear the purple fringing on nearly every PP image.

    If I was smart I would just go ahead and sell the 7 but I am not a buy and sell kinda guy as my wife can attest to by our spare room closet filled with old cameras I have bought.

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    Yeah, I should have mentioned that very combination, the NEX-7 and G 45, is what is making it difficult to sell, even though I haven't been using it much. I'll probably hold off selling it for now, because I'm in the middle of re-figuring out what kind of stuff I want to be shooting these days.

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    It's always a difficult choice deciding on what system to use and for what purpose. I like aspects of all the current systems. For example I wouldn't mind a A900 styled and shaped body with Nikon sensor etc inside but with the Sony viewfinder (optical) and anti-shake in body (but better than Sony). The menus would be more Sony like and less Nikonish and the lenses would be Nikon with the odd Canon optic such as the 17mm TSE. The Flash would be styled like the Sony F58 but the TTL work like a Nikon, etc, etc, etc! This isn't meant to be serious, but ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    I am having to use the Halo adjustment to clear the purple fringing on nearly every PP image.
    What is PP please ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    When I do hear this voice, I force myself to refer to this test from a friend on another forum: Sony A900 vs A700 print size
    Hey Douglas,

    I appreciate what you're saying. If you don't print large, there's little reason to go with a high MP sensor. My only problem is the example you picked.

    I recall thinking when Nordstjernen originally posted that "test" at DPR what a poor choice that image is for testing "resolution". There's no foreground detail.

    Without foreground detail, the print would have to be enormous to show sharp background detail. My experience with my own a700, a77, and a850 show there's good reason to shoot with the higer MP cameras for A2 prints, at least if you have an image with good detail.

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    Yeah, my printer only goes to 13x19, or just over A3, and, as I mentioned earlier, it is tough to tell which camera I used for the several prints around my house. As long as PPI is in the 200s, I find it difficult to tell a difference. Plus, if you don't use a tripod, some of the advantage of the higher megapixel camera is nullified. Right now, I kinda of treat my X100 as a 35mm replacement and my Nex-7 as a medium format replacement.

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    Even though the NEX-7 doesn't perform well with my M mount wides, I'm still bullish on the NEX-7. I never used a NEX-5n, so I can't comment, only that the user interface and EVF of the 7 is important to me. I also think I'm not missing anything yet as far as Fuji is concerned.

    I too have a Contax 45 Planar, but haven't used it yet, as it is being Leica-fied by Mr. Hawk in case Leica comes out with something new or the M9 prices get to my price point. I have a Zeiss postwar 50/1.5 Sonnar that I'm working with for portraits. I'd like a 75mm for the longer end. The Sigma 30 fills the normal lens spot. It's the short end that is the challenge. I suppose its time to try the Sigma 19.

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    Re: Bullish on Sony

    Quote Originally Posted by JimBuchanan View Post
    Even though the NEX-7 doesn't perform well with my M mount wides, I'm still bullish on the NEX-7. I never used a NEX-5n, so I can't comment, only that the user interface and EVF of the 7 is important to me. I also think I'm not missing anything yet as far as Fuji is concerned.

    I too have a Contax 45 Planar, but haven't used it yet, as it is being Leica-fied by Mr. Hawk in case Leica comes out with something new or the M9 prices get to my price point. I have a Zeiss postwar 50/1.5 Sonnar that I'm working with for portraits. I'd like a 75mm for the longer end. The Sigma 30 fills the normal lens spot. It's the short end that is the challenge. I suppose its time to try the Sigma 19.
    If you get a chance, try the C3. The difference (7 and C3 with M lenses) is HUGE. I even put up with the shot gun shutter in the C3 along with the lack of EVF.

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    JimBuchanan: the Sigma 19mm is a lovely little lens and cheap too. I think you'd be pleasantly surprised and find it more than acceptable.

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