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    Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...




    Now: $ 29.99 MSA-10 NEX | eBay



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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Could you decipher the schematic diagram to explain which lead is for what?
    (I want to add a flash connection socket directly on a NEX-C3)

    1 UNREG and 7 LOGIC_VDD - where do they connect to in a strobe? Thanks!

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    wow is this msa-10 hotshoe as good as the $79 shadow hotshoe?

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    It seems to have same function :-)
    Shadow thing for $ 79.99 is much too expensive!
    For same money you get a good pocket camera!

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    i am getting one! thx hot. only difference is that I need a screw driver on hand to attach or detech the msa-10. The shadow seems to be user screwable

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Hehe, this "must-have-screwdriver" is worth $ 50 :-)

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Could you decipher the schematic diagram to explain which lead is for what?
    (I want to add a flash connection socket directly on a NEX-C3)

    1 UNREG and 7 LOGIC_VDD - where do they connect to in a strobe? Thanks!
    it's not my invention ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    it's not my invention ...
    It is mine!!!

    The difference between both adapters shown, is one have PC Sync port, cheap one is just shoe connection.
    And first one is reported that uses a not good screw, hopefully the cheap one have one better.

    You can find my original post and full info about to mod the original HVL-F7S flash on

    Success PC Port output on HVL-F7S (Sony NEX) without PREFLASH!!!

    Hot Shoe on HVLF7S, and ready for Wireless trigger. Screen bright solved!!!

    Sony NEX C3 + Yongnuo YN560II + Leather Diffusor, the best!!!


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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Thanks for the links, Fabian! And, welcome!

    (The threads there are a mess with no clarity whatsoever, I must mention.)

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Just received my MSA-10. It is very compact, and connects perfectly and fits tight. The screw connection requires a flat head screwdriver to tighten the adapter onto the nex camera. Fortunately, the adapter comes with such a screwdriver, one that is compact enough to fit into ones camera bag if the adapter is needed to be removed frequently.

    Using my 580EX and 24-105L IS works well, and the flash although heavy, does not feel like it is straining on the adapter, and does not flex with the top heavy flash unit.

    The best mode I found for using this setup is "M" whereby one sets a preset shutter speed and ISO, whist changing aperture and flash power manually to get correct flash exposure.

    This indeed is ma much cheaper solution than getting the shadow version of this adapter, and with the exception of the PC port, the MSA-10 will work just as well, if not better having a perfect connection to the NEX, plus a much more attractive price.

    Here is an image of msa-10 mounted with 580EX on top. Who needs mirrorless Canon eh, hehe

    Last edited by mazor; 17th July 2012 at 03:39. Reason: add image

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Also: today arrived

    How mazor said: fits perfect (screwdriver is toooo small, hehe) and is black like my NEX5. Some tests with YONGNUO, wireless and ringflash. All okay!















    photos with NEX5 - out of camera






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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Samples with NEX5 + hotshoe + Yongnuo YN460-II - out of camera, MANUAL mode M







    NEX5 + (cheap, old) Bilora ringflash





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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Nice! Only two years after getting my NEX 5

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    For a young elephant you also have to wait 2 years :-)

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    True, although a young elephant is not of any use to me.

    Glad to see this, I use the NEX 5 for all my studio photos. Been using a hack for too long...

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Nice work fabianbono!

    Has anyone confirmed what the max sync speed is with either setup?

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    nice hot!, impressive sample of pics using high flash syncs. Funny how we both received our msa-10 on gthe same day

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    I think dealer was wondering why so many orders on the same day

    The third one :-)




    This little thing is a good helper

    The former silly (= unnecessary) cold shoe (MSA-6) was ~ 60% of this hot shoe.
    With shipping nearly same price

    MSA6 Universal shoe adapter For Sony NEX Smart accessory , Use any flash on NEX | eBay

    Haha, cold shoe $ 14.95 + $ 16.99 = $ 31.94 ... toc-toc-toc ... made Obelix

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/JJC-Shoe-Ada...item4d02c42f1b

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    well guess there is not too much different with msa-10 over msa-6 apart from extra PCB terminal connector and wiring to the glash trigger points.

    Suspect the replacement model for MSA-6 is MSA-10.

    Thanks to this fancy little gadget, now I do not have to worry about shadow casting which happened when using the stock flash with my 24-105, as the 24-105 was way too big for it.

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Quote Originally Posted by petetsai View Post
    Nice work fabianbono!

    Has anyone confirmed what the max sync speed is with either setup?
    Thanks!, is the life of poor man to solve problems!

    Mr. "hot" speed tests give you the answers.
    I got same sync speeds with my mod.

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    I use Yongnuo YN460-II (universal), Yongnuo 467 (Canon TTL), Canon 550EX (Canon TTL), MeiKe 100 ringflash, Bilora 140 ringflash. Also works with my 30 years old Konica X24 and Vivitar 2500 ZoomThyristor.







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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    I got mine in yesterday, works as advertised which is nice, although having the pinout I may try and modify my viewfinder to add a shoe/sync port on top of it...

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    update: I have noticed the fit on the msa-10 is alot tighter on my 5n than on my 5. On the 5, the connection is still tight, but it seems heavy top heavy flashes like the 580 ex mounted. On the 5n, there is no movement using the 580 ex.

    Also, I am having issues finding the option for live viewfinder not showing actual exposure on the 5, so the display seems dark alot of the time. This option is easily found in the setup menu in the 5n, and hence viewfinder is continuous bright, even with higher shutter speed selected in M mode
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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Quote Originally Posted by petetsai View Post
    I got mine in yesterday, works as advertised which is nice, although having the pinout I may try and modify my viewfinder to add a shoe/sync port on top of it...
    Are you thinking of modifying the evf to have a pc sync port??

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    correct, but I'll have to see if I will use the viewfinder enough to merit this. I've had a loaner nex-7 for the past couple weeks and I have had a few occasions where it was handy to use so we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petetsai View Post
    correct, but I'll have to see if I will use the viewfinder enough to merit this. I've had a loaner nex-7 for the past couple weeks and I have had a few occasions where it was handy to use so we'll see.
    Nice! But a very expensive accessory to mod Don't want to break it.

    Would it not be better to make a sort of double adapter for the accessory port, then one could plug in both the MSA-10 and an EVF, at the same time?

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    You could do this using the extender made for use with the 18-200 however the deck of cards would be getting pretty tall at that point and fairly un-elegant looking....

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    wow, never knew about the Sony FA-EX1S flash extender. looks like a useful piece for the 18-200 abiet we now have msa-10 which with with the correct flash mounted can do the same job if not better.

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    update: I have noticed the fit on the msa-10 is alot tighter on my 5n than on my 5. On the 5, the connection is still tight, but it seems heavy top heavy flashes like the 580 ex mounted. On the 5n, there is no movement using the 580 ex.

    Also, I am having issues finding the option for live viewfinder not showing actual exposure on the 5, so the display seems dark alot of the time. This option is easily found in the setup menu in the 5n, and hence viewfinder is continuous bright, even with higher shutter speed selected in M mode
    This option isn't available on the NEX-5. It was new in the 5N.

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    many thanks for that douglasf13, that clarifys why I was unable to find that feature.

    Looks like the MSA-10 adapter will stay on my 5n then. Just like petetsai said, only mod really left is to mod the EVF accessory to take PC signal so that one can plug in external light that way, while simultaneously using the EVF accessory

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    These are quick & dirty test shots with
    NEX5 + Yongnuo YN460-II + JJC MSA-10 hot shoe ($ 29.99)

    Pictures are made in TOTAL DARKNESS - only candle, they are out of camera, no postprocessing, only resized.

    Modes are M,S,A,P - autofocus and manual focus











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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Some test shots - total darkness - with Yongnuo wireless trigger on NEX5 (Tamron 18-200) + MSA-10 hot shoe

    Tripod: Yongnuo wireless receiver + Yongnuo YN 460-II













    Last edited by hot; 30th July 2012 at 14:34.

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    Also, I am having issues finding the option for live viewfinder not showing actual exposure on the 5, so the display seems dark alot of the time. This option is easily found in the setup menu in the 5n, and hence viewfinder is continuous bright, even with higher shutter speed selected in M mode
    Got the MSA-10 today, unfortunately it is useless on the 5 for this reason.

    Anyone with a 5n who wants to buy one?

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    Also, I am having issues finding the option for live viewfinder not showing actual exposure on the 5, so the display seems dark alot of the time. This option is easily found in the setup menu in the 5n, and hence viewfinder is continuous bright, even with higher shutter speed selected in M mode
    I have a 5n, and I had no idea I had this option until I read your post Thanks for the tip!

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Just a little off camera flash testing with the nex-5n and 50mm f1.4 ais in the City...


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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    I am buying the MSA 10 myself, please suggest me a good inexpensive flash to go with it. I am a beginner in photography and I want to learn some of flash photography, also I cant find yongnuo RF 602 TX, where should I look? Thanks

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    Re: Hot shoe for NEX5, NEX5N, ...

    Transmitter/Receiver - both together $ 29

    rf602 tx | eBay

    Yongnuo YN460 II - $ 47 ... NOT YN460 !

    You also can use PT-16 ... Transmitter/Receiver for $ 13

    yn-460 ii flash | eBay

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