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    How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Coming from 10 years+ of Canon shooting, I'm fairly new to the A900 but I sold all my Canon gear a couple of months ago in advance of the A99 and grabbed an A900 at a great price as a placeholder with the intent of selling it to help fund the A99. Now that the A99 is about to be launched, I'm positive that I'll be holding on to the A900 and using it as a daylight shooter or second body for some assignments. It is just too good to give up.

    So I'm curious if other Sony FF shooters are going to abandon their A850/900s or hold onto them for the duration?

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    Chad,
    I've had my a900 since they came out and will continue to use it.
    I'm going to sell my Zeiss zooms to lighten the load, great gear and a pleasure to use.
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    Chad: I have a feeling that even if the A99 gives me an upgrade on my A-850 (meaning clean ISO 6400, better AF, equal IQ) I have a feeling I'll keep my old camera. I was using it this last weekend in NYC and I really enjoyed it. But we'll see.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Yes, I'll keep both of them I think since the A99 electronic viewfinder resolution is the same as the A77, which I hated. Sony put a great OVF in the A900, and that's going to be hard to beat.

    The only thing that might change my mind is if the high ISO is a lot better than the A77 ... like 2 or 3 stops better. Then I might get one, but keep an A900


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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Yes, I'll keep both of them I think since the A99 electronic viewfinder resolution is the same as the A77, which I hated. Sony put a great OVF in the A900, and that's going to be hard to beat.

    The only thing that might change my mind is if the high ISO is a lot better than the A77 ... like 2 or 3 stops better. Then I might get one, but keep an A900


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    Yes, and the early high ISO samples I've seen look very promising - at D800 levels if not better. Certainly they beat the pants off the A900 and A77.

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    The ONLY advantage I see the A99 holds over the A900 is high iso. Being mainly a landscape shooter, I could care less about high iso as 99% of the time I'm shooting on a tripod. I could careless about video. If I need video, I have my NEX and it works just fine for that (we basically bought the nex as a de-facto camcorder.) Try as I might, I just can't get excited for this new camera.

    So yeah, I'm happily keeping my A900.

    David Kilpatrick had a great article on the subject at PCA today....

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    I will probably be selling mine and changing systems, but that has more to do with broader needs and less to do with specific camera bodies. I will wait to see what the image quality is like from the A99 before I make a final decision. If it is very close to the D800e I may stay, otherwise I will probably go back to Canon. There are lenses in the Canon lineup that I miss having, and the ubiquitousness of the system is a big plus for me.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    So I'm curious if other Sony FF shooters are going to abandon their A850/900s or hold onto them for the duration?

    Chad

    Hold on, no doubt!

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    I sold my A900 as soon as I became aware of Sony's plans to scrap the OVF and put a piece of plastic in the optical path. Sony may be an innovative company but I think they went a bit too far on this one.
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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Utah View Post
    The ONLY advantage I see the A99 holds over the A900 is high iso.
    Maybe for a landscape photographer, not sure, but for me, if the AF is a generation or two better than the A900, then that is a powerful improvement.

    Having recently switched from an aging classic 5D to the A900, the only thing I miss is the focusing accuracy.

    I'm also looking forward to composing with the A99's tilt-LCD (with level overlays) on interior architecture shoots and having a real-time EVF display of exposure when shooting concert stage scenes that tend to vary quickly and drastically.

    I think the A99 and A900 will compliment each other nicely. More so than if I had a 5D or Mark II and added a Mark III.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Maybe for a landscape photographer, not sure, but for me, if the AF is a generation or two better than the A900, then that is a powerful improvement.

    Having recently switched from an aging classic 5D to the A900, the only thing I miss is the focusing accuracy.

    I'm also looking forward to composing with the A99's tilt-LCD (with level overlays) on interior architecture shoots and having a real-time EVF display of exposure when shooting concert stage scenes that tend to vary quickly and drastically.

    I think the A99 and A900 will compliment each other nicely. More so than if I had a 5D or Mark II and added a Mark III.
    If your A900 AF accuracy is not miles ahead of that aging 5D, then there is something wrong with your A900.

    I process literally thousands of images at a crack (weddings) My second shooters use the 5D and 5D-II and have waaaaaay more mis-focused shot than I do. What is really telling is when I have them use my second A900 and their in-focus keeper rate improves dramatically.

    BTW, this is in some of the most challenging light you can imagine. Focusing accuracy is the last thing I'm concerned with when using the A900.

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    I think the A99 will have a lot of advantages vs the A850/900, but also some disadvantages. No camera is perfect. So I will for sure hold on to my A850 (heck, sometimes I still use my old KM 5D) and won't get an A99 until:
    - first: the streetprice comes down
    - second: more tests and experiences become available that justify the cash outlay for the advantages and I am sure the disadvantages are not a show stopper.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    If your A900 AF accuracy is not miles ahead of that aging 5D, then there is something wrong with your A900.

    I process literally thousands of images at a crack (weddings) My second shooters use the 5D and 5D-II and have waaaaaay more mis-focused shot than I do. What is really telling is when I have them use my second A900 and their in-focus keeper rate improves dramatically.

    BTW, this is in some of the most challenging light you can imagine. Focusing accuracy is the last thing I'm concerned with when using the A900.

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    Marc,

    That may well be the case. Once the A99 gets here I am going to have the A900 serviced to be sure. I can tell you that, for example when dialing in AF adjust on a stationary target, my focus will shift between shots. Usually the first shot is out of focus slightly and then a second or third attempt on the same spot nails it.

    Still, my 5D was a critical focus machine. Maybe your second shooters should have theirs looked at And sorry, weddings are a cake walk compared to most low light concert events. I am well versed in both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Maybe for a landscape photographer, not sure, but for me, if the AF is a generation or two better than the A900, then that is a powerful improvement.
    And you realize that the the "102 on sensor AF points" only work with selected lenses and that all the rest are limited to the other 19 AF points? That kinda defeats the purpose of on sensor AF points if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Marc,

    That may well be the case. Once the A99 gets here I am going to have the A900 serviced to be sure. I can tell you that, for example when dialing in AF adjust on a stationary target, my focus will shift between shots. Usually the first shot is out of focus slightly and then a second or third attempt on the same spot nails it.

    Still, my 5D was a critical focus machine. Maybe your second shooters should have theirs looked at And sorry, weddings are a cake walk compared to most low light concert events. I am well versed in both.

    Best,
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    Your A900 shouldn't be doing that. It would be worth the check-up I think. As for the 5D, it is notorious for flakey focusing issues which are well documented on the web ... and the subject of much discussion on the DWF in context to the 5D-III launch, and scrutiny of how improved the 5d-III AF is. If your's is excellent, it is a prize 5D.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    I think the A99 will have a lot of advantages vs the A850/900, but also some disadvantages. No camera is perfect. So I will for sure hold on to my A850 (heck, sometimes I still use my old KM 5D) and won't get an A99 until:
    - first: the streetprice comes down
    - second: more tests and experiences become available that justify the cash outlay for the advantages and I am sure the disadvantages are not a show stopper.
    Or wait for the A95 clone @ $1,495.

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    I'll hold onto my A900 until it dies. It was a steal @ $2100, and it's very much an "old school" camera, if that's possible in the digital word. But then what do I know, I still prefer to shoot B&W with my pentax 67 II with a chimney finder.
    The Sony is great for handheld work and long lens shooting with the 600 APO.
    I have a feeling it will be considered a classic in a couple of years.

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    The quality of the optical viewfinder on the A900 was the feature that clinched the deal for me. So I'll hold on to it for a while. Despite my attachment to the A900's optical VF I think Sony is going in the right direction with the A99. I expect I will get an integrated modern video/stills capture device at some point. The A99 looks like the perfect candidate.

    There still might be enough demand for Sony to add a higher res optical VF studio camera in the future but I'd say the A99 was the right camera for Sony now. They don't have the legacy base of Canikon and should be looking to define the capture device of the future rather then build a me to DSLR.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Your A900 shouldn't be doing that. It would be worth the check-up I think.
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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by surfotog View Post
    I have a feeling it will be considered a classic in a couple of years.
    If it isn't already. I love mine, possible AF issues and all.

    Hoping to bond as well with the A99 but we will see.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Lonnie,
    For me i don't care if the A99 had 1000 AF points,
    I am getting it for it's ease of manual focusing.
    Like yourself I am using it for a light weight landscape kit, so I only own Zeiss and Contax manual focus glass..
    I had an A900 when it came out because I couldn't afford the D3x at the time and the one thing I learned from shooting a FF 24mp camera is there is no room for focus error.
    I have really learned this lesson even more with my D800E.

    Keeping my fingers crossed that the IQ will be very good.


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    And you realize that the the "102 on sensor AF points" only work with selected lenses and that all the rest are limited to the other 19 AF points? That kinda defeats the purpose of on sensor AF points if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    For me i don't care if the A99 had 1000 AF points, I am getting it for it's ease of manual focusing.
    Well I see the point, I really do, but again, for us landscapers, MF isn't really an issue either. When you start working out hyperfocal distances for wide angle lenses (16mm-24mm FF equivalent) at F/11 and smaller, you quickly realize that almost the entire frame is going to be in focus so long as you set the focus point within a distance relatively close to the camera (essentially, at those fields of view and those apertures, your depth of field is infinite).

    Landscapers need Resolution and dynamic range, and I don't see enough improvement in this area to make the jump right now.
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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Lonnie,
    For me i don't care if the A99 had 1000 AF points,
    I am getting it for it's ease of manual focusing.
    Like yourself I am using it for a light weight landscape kit, so I only own Zeiss and Contax manual focus glass..

    Keeping my fingers crossed that the IQ will be very good.
    Amen to that!

    I adapted two of my C/Y Contax lenses - 28mm/2.8 and 50mm/1.4 and can't wait to use them on the A99. They work fine on the A900 as long as I don't try and shoot the 1.4 wide open and I trust the AF confirm to get me close enough to critical focus. But with peaking, it will be a whole other story. Using the C/Y versions also saves a ton of money compared to buying the ZF and ZE mounts.

    The benefit of peaking on a FF DSLR cannot be underestimated. There is nothing else like it in Canon/Nikon land.

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    I love peaking in my nex, but I'm not adapting anything to my A-mount cams, and neither are most of the folks that own a-mount cameras. That's just reality. It's a wonderful feature, but not enough to make me jump right now.
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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Utah View Post
    I love peaking in my nex, but I'm not adapting anything to my A-mount cams, and neither are most of the folks that own a-mount cameras. That's just reality. It's a wonderful feature, but not enough to make me jump right now.
    The C/Y Zeiss I have on the A900 are spectacular and come at a fraction of the cost of a new F or E mount MF version. You literally can buy 3 world class Zeiss lenses for the cost of one new Zeiss.

    If the A99 takes off as a videographer camera (which Sony has positioned it to do) there will be demand for MF legacy lenses especially cheaper C/Y Zeiss lenses that can be adapted.

    I also think that many more photographers will adapt on the A99 precisely because of peaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Utah View Post
    I love peaking in my nex, but I'm not adapting anything to my A-mount cams, and neither are most of the folks that own a-mount cameras. That's just reality. It's a wonderful feature, but not enough to make me jump right now.
    Time will tell, but sofar peaking has featured on very few A-mount cameras. As that number goes up and gets to higher end cameras I think more and more people will be thrilled to use more MF lenses using this technology.
    So your reality might be true today, but I don't think it can be extrapolated to the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank Graber View Post
    The quality of the optical viewfinder on the A900 was the feature that clinched the deal for me. So I'll hold on to it for a while. Despite my attachment to the A900's optical VF I think Sony is going in the right direction with the A99. I expect I will get an integrated modern video/stills capture device at some point. The A99 looks like the perfect candidate.

    There still might be enough demand for Sony to add a higher res optical VF studio camera in the future but I'd say the A99 was the right camera for Sony now. They don't have the legacy base of Canikon and should be looking to define the capture device of the future rather then build a me to DSLR.
    I agree with this Hank ... yet at the same time I do wish Sony would cut back on the minor variations with-in a model line every thirty seconds, and had offered an A950 or something using the same OVF, activated the dual card slots to shoot redundant parallel capture, instituted live view, and upgraded the sensor with this new one for a better IQ and high ISO ... which seems to be a minimal R&D endeavor, and would have further amortized their existing investment possibly producing a better pay-out per camera with an existing user base that is still relatively satisfied with the A900.

    I would have plunked down my money in a NY heartbeat for such a camera.

    Just when many of us have mastered the A900 and can get so much from it, the replacement comes along with a whole new approach and new technologies to master.

    Personally, I am sick to death of this distracting juggernaut of change, and cameras bristling with diversity, amateurish toys and entertainment devices.

    Oh well ... might as well be howling at the moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I agree with this Hank ... yet at the same time I do wish Sony would cut back on the minor variations with-in a model line every thirty seconds, and had offered an A950 or something using the same OVF, activated the dual card slots to shoot redundant parallel capture, instituted live view, and upgraded the sensor with this new one for a better IQ and high ISO ... which seems to be a minimal R&D endeavor, and would have further amortized their existing investment possibly producing a better pay-out per camera with an existing user base that is still relatively satisfied with the A900.

    I would have plunked down my money in a NY heartbeat for such a camera.

    Just when many of us have mastered the A900 and can get so much from it, the replacement comes along with a whole new approach and new technologies to master.

    Personally, I am sick to death of this distracting juggernaut of change, and cameras bristling with diversity, amateurish toys and entertainment devices.

    Oh well ... might as well be howling at the moon.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Personally, I am sick to death of this distracting juggernaut of change, and cameras bristling with diversity, amateurish toys and entertainment devices.

    Oh well ... might as well be howling at the moon.

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    Really? I find the A and M exposure modes work exactly the same way on all cameras regardless of what the manufacturers add. It is really easy to simply ignore the bells and whistles and use a camera like I have always used a camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Really? I find the A and M exposure modes work exactly the same way on all cameras regardless of what the manufacturers add. It is really easy to simply ignore the bells and whistles and use a camera like I have always used a camera.
    Yes, really.

    Of course remedial functions work similarly one camera to the next. The question then becomes why pay for a bunch of stuff if the intention is to ignore all of it and just use the basics? More stuff you'll not use, and can break down. That was the point of my A950 post. Sony launches one camera after the next that really aren't all that different from one another ... clone upon clone upon clone, but doesn't recognize the stand-out gem they already had.

    Besides, the A900 was already complex enough to learn until it became second nature and got out of the way when shooting. It took some time to figure out how to get back to standard basics if you accidentally pressed the wrong button at the wrong time or in the wrong sequence in the heat of shooting ... which is a disaster while shooting a wedding for example. Happened to me at the last wedding and in the rush/panic I couldn't figure out how to get back fast enough, so I had to grab the second camera, swap lenses and just made the shots. Keeping in mind that I am really well versed in using the A900.

    Now there is no new Sony FF 35mm DSLR pro level camera that evolves the tried and true A900. So, one has to learn how to operate with an EVF with no better resolution than the A77, instead of one of the best OFVs ever made , and re-learn the sequences of buttons and wheels in the heat of shooting, and how to get back to basics when shyt happens.

    That is the distractions I find irritating, and were it not for the Zeiss optics I walk away immediately.

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    Don't howl at the moon; you might have crazy neighbors who won't understand why you are doing what you are doing.

    The a900 is great now that I am getting the hang of it. Shot a bit of my kids' swim meet and then of my 7 year old practicing with a high school water polo team (the high school girls love him). The shots were dead on with the 85/1.4. I needed a bit more reach, but I can always crop the pics the way I want them to look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I agree with this Hank had offered an A950 or something using the same OVF, activated the dual card slots to shoot redundant parallel capture, instituted live view, and upgraded the sensor with this new one for a better IQ and high ISO ... which seems to be a minimal R&D endeavor, and would have further amortized their existing investment possibly producing a better pay-out per camera with an existing user base that is still relatively satisfied with the A900.
    Considering they had enough cash to fund the cybershot division coming out with an expensive very niche camera to compete with their own NEX devision you'd think they could have spared a few bucks to keep the OVF 900 line going with modest conservative improvements for another generation or two. While we all are waiting for the brave new world of integrated all digital capture systems to completely do away with the DSLR.

    I finally gave in and sold the Plaubel Makina and film Hasselblad years ago, so I guess it's just a matter of time before the my OVF DSLR meets the same fate.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    I'm tempted to say they'll pry my A900 from my cold dead fingers. That's probably not true though -- I'll still be hanging on so tight, it'll be easier to just bury it with me!

    Seriously, given the quality of the A77 and the rate of improvement they're showing, I'm figuring I'll probably replace the A900 in something like 15 to 20 years -- but based on what I've seen so far, I'd be somewhat surprised if I'm even tempted with a newer model in less than 10 years.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by jcoffin View Post
    I'm tempted to say they'll pry my A900 from my cold dead fingers. That's probably not true though -- I'll still be hanging on so tight, it'll be easier to just bury it with me!

    Seriously, given the quality of the A77 and the rate of improvement they're showing, I'm figuring I'll probably replace the A900 in something like 15 to 20 years -- but based on what I've seen so far, I'd be somewhat surprised if I'm even tempted with a newer model in less than 10 years.
    Same here, it all depends on what kind of photography you do. For me, the A900 is a dream, and I actually got me a second one, nicely tucked away so that I could easily bridge 15 years.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    I sold all my Sony A mount stuff in favour of Nikon; the combination of my dislike for EVF and the allure of the D800 proved too much and my A900, etc had to go.

    I don't regret this move but there are some nice things about the Sony system which I wish I could have in the Nikon. These are:

    1) in body stabilisation (I miss that more than anything else),

    2) The way the Sony flash can adjust the colour balance to match the ambient,

    3) Zeiss AF lenses.

    All of these things can be overcome and aren't enough on their own.

    There were things which Sony still need to address to get my vote:

    1) Noise, noise and noise! The Nikon using a Sony sensor handles this so very much better (sorry Sony, but they do),

    2) The exposure meter works much better in the Nikon, I don't have to work quite so much to get reliably exposed images, particularly with flash. Flash underexposure being a particular issue.

    3) EVF; whilst I think this may become good enough in time, OVF is so much nicer on the eye and gets my vote.

    I've still got my NEX7 which I love and won't change (has an EVF - a necessary evil but an OVF would be impossible in this instance!). I don't dislike Sony, it's just that they aren't meeting my needs at the moment.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman View Post
    I sold all my Sony A mount stuff in favour of Nikon; the combination of my dislike for EVF and the allure of the D800 proved too much and my A900, etc had to go.

    I don't regret this move but there are some nice things about the Sony system which I wish I could have in the Nikon. These are:

    1) in body stabilisation (I miss that more than anything else),

    2) The way the Sony flash can adjust the colour balance to match the ambient,

    3) Zeiss AF lenses.

    All of these things can be overcome and aren't enough on their own.

    There were things which Sony still need to address to get my vote:

    1) Noise, noise and noise! The Nikon using a Sony sensor handles this so very much better (sorry Sony, but they do),

    2) The exposure meter works much better in the Nikon, I don't have to work quite so much to get reliably exposed images, particularly with flash. Flash underexposure being a particular issue.

    3) EVF; whilst I think this may become good enough in time, OVF is so much nicer on the eye and gets my vote.

    I've still got my NEX7 which I love and won't change (has an EVF - a necessary evil but an OVF would be impossible in this instance!). I don't dislike Sony, it's just that they aren't meeting my needs at the moment.
    Time to change your screen name from Alphaman

    Tastes vary and if you are happy with Nikon there is not much to say.

    1) Personally, I do not like the way Nikon glass renders. Never did, probably never will. There is nothing you can do in post to change that. You cannot make Nikon look like Zeiss. You can put Zeiss on a Nikon, but it isn't AF ... which defeats using a 35mm DSLR for me. If Sony ceased to exist as a viable 35mm DSLR system for me, I would probably select a Canon 1Dx as a distant 2nd choice ... if any at all.

    2) see number 1

    3) see number 1

    How the A99 handles noise and color at higher ISOs than possible with the A900 will be the determining factor as to whether I put up with an EVF.

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    I tried to change my screen name TWICE and got ignored both times!

    I don't like the OOF rendering of Nikon glass as much as Sony/Minolta, but that's life! The advantages outweigh the disadvantages for me.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    1) Personally, I do not like the way Nikon glass renders. Never did, probably never will. There is nothing you can do in post to change that.
    For me it's the lenses and the VF. Any of the major manufacturers puts out a good enough DSLR body to do the job.

    The VF is what I look through so it's the most important UI element of the camera by far. The lens determines what the images look like (any modern high end digital chip will be good enough). I always preferred Canon to Nikon lenses but I've found I prefer the Minolta look to both. The availability of Zeiss AF lens are just icing on the cake.

    That being the case I'm very happy with the A900.

    When it comes to making an EVF that might be superior to OVF in low light focusing and not be an impediment to 'seeing' my subject I expect Sony will be very competitive. So I'm confident that my A900's successor will likely be a Sony. I'm anxious to have a look through the A99 VF. Maybe they are there already.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    I really like the color and IQ produced by A900 in low ISO. I hope that the sensor on A99 has great improvements in high ISO over A900, and the A99 will have the same/similar color profile of A900. My experience with NEX-7 is negative in term of high ISO. And NEX-5N and NEX 7 have different color profiles. Sony seems constantly tuning their products.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    I am keeping the a900. After more than two years of ownership I am just getting the hang of the camera and really enjoy it. I would get another instead of the a99 but I am not sure my wife would permit me to get either.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikalWGrass View Post
    I am keeping the a900. After more than two years of ownership I am just getting the hang of the camera and really enjoy it. I would get another instead of the a99 but I am not sure my wife would permit me to get either.
    Mikal:

    I agree with you. I've been using my NEX-5N almost 90% of the time. I think being away from the A-850 for most of a year and a half has made me appreciate it more. Last weekend I took out my A-850 and took several hours worth of butterfly shots with a Minolta 200mm macro lens. It was a revelation to see how fast and accurate the AF was (I did miss the info in the viewfinder though). Later on at night I used the full-frame at an indoor party (boy that lens bag is heavy). The high ISO files were so much nicer than my NEX files. I know that the future is mirrorless but I don't think the future is here yet. The only thing that could convince me otherwise would be if the ISO 6400 files from the A-99 or the NEX-6N were nicer than the ones I get out of the A-850. That would do it, but I'm starting to doubt it will happen.

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    I think that if Sony had continued with the A900 and had planned further OVFs, I would have stayed, or run both systems.

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    Until mine falls apart!

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    I sold my Leica gear and bought the A900 with a Zeiss 135. It works well for my needs and skill level. Still, the A99 looks tempting but if I decide to buy one, it would depend on how well the A99 performs. Ideally, I would keep the 900 as a back-up or for those times when I may miss the OVF. Then again I may sell it while the value is still respectable. After all, I'm not a pro and I'm not sure I could justify having a spare body for those times (if any) when the A99 goes into the shop.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    I've just returned from 3 weeks in the high Arctic with the a900 (24-70 CZ) and the a77 (70-400 G) and put better than a thousand shots on each camera. Both cameras operated flawlessly - but I do like the a900 better because of the OVF and its noise performance.

    The a77 viewfinder is great in poor light and I like being able to review the just-taken image in the EVF without moving the camera from my eye. But for my purposes the a77 is restricted to ISO 320 whereas the a900 is fine at ISO 800.

    So yes, I'll likely get an a99 if the noise issues are measurably better, but I'll be keeping my trusty workhorse a900.

    (Pix will follow!)

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Bill.
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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Yes, I sense a consensus here. Viva la A850/A900!!!

    Also looking forward to those images Bill.

    I just completed two shoots today - one paid, one kid's soccer - with the A900 and Zeiss 135. Man, what an amazing combo that is. The continuous focus performed admirably on the soccer shots so I am even more interested in how the new AF tracking on the A99 is going to work out.

    And some of the new A99 high ISO samples look excellent. Well worth the upgrade if you are a high ISO shooter like me.

    My only concern so far is the dismal battery life numbers on the A99. Hoping they are under rated.

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Hm...I just got myself the A900 now that the upgrades buy their A99
    now I am off to skim the web for Minolta AF bargains!

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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    These were taken yesterday morning at the Escape To Miami Triathlon. I shot these for myself and my wife who did the sprint triathlon. All were shot at 6400 with the ZA 85/1.4. The colors were not corrected, and I since I don't really have a clue how to sharpen or unsharpen an image, I didn't fiddle with that in the post production.

    The ferry took the athletes into a small island in Biscayne Bay, where they were dropped off. The olympic distance swimmers then swam from the island to the mainland, which was a distance of .9 miles. I would have loved to been on the ferry getting photos, but I am not a pro, nor do I work for any media, so it would've been tough to do on short notice. Instead, I was relegated to sitting around for a long while until the non elite races began. Besides, I was with my wife and 11 year old so it would not have been cool to leave them.

    I will post more later as the shots are processed.
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    Re: How many A850/A900 shooters are going to hold on to their cameras?

    Hmm, the more I read about the A99, the more I think I'll hold onto my 900. I'm not really into video shooting and the rest of the stuff isn't worth it to me. After reading DK's excellent review I may well be done with buying any more ZA glass and look at a more conventional and predictable platform.

    I think I'm more interested in the RX1 at about the same base price. At least it's clearly a different tool and would be very nice for my vacation trips but the price is hard to accept. The new ZA 50 f1,4 that's due out in the Spring could persuade me to stay on board. Not that I really need a 50-prime but a deeper commitment from Sony to carry on the Alpha FF lens family. Let's face it; it's pretty slim compared to Canon and Nikon.
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