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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    ..and might make it to the Time list of best 50 "innovations" in 2013.

    I am frankly sick of SOny introducting half baked products and then slightly better baked products following them in a short time.

    The NEX-7 will be replaced in early 2013, according to rumors.

    If sony do not release any lenses of the current caliber, I would be happy too.
    I feel the same way some times, but I'm also conflicted. Because I've taken thousands of pictures with my Nex-7 since March, and I'm quite glad I've had it. The 5N just isn't the same shooting experience. When the 7's replacement comes out, I'll probably get it, and sell my 7 for half what I bought it for; so it'll have cost me around $600 for almost a year of use. That's not bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post

    ..and might make it to the Time list of best 50 "innovations" in 2013. (...)

    LOL

    I didn't mean the AutoFocus per se, Vivek, or the built-in Electronic Viewfinder, or the interchangeable system lenses, or the full 24x36mm sensor in a mirrorless system

    I meant the combination of these crucial elements, that would be a first-timer

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Can't fault the official image samples linked further up this thread. I'll have to try this camera in hand - I think it's 60% likely I will buy, since I don't see anything likely to compete with this package in terms of compact quality.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Here is a second gallery at the Japanese Sony site. Some images have been shown before, some have not.

    DSC-RX1 スペシャルサイト - ONE HAND, FULL SIZE. | デジタルスチルカメラ Cyber-shot “サイバーショット” | ソニー

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    The EVF has been shown several places, and it looks just like the NEX-5N EVF, but in black with a new mount.

    Photo from user "jpr2" on dpreview.com:
    Looks pretty nice to me, and certainly has more value than the seemingly useless Zeiss OVF. Not only is it a cold shoe mount, it doesn’t appear to have a diopter. Then they go and stick a Leica price tag on it.
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    Re: Sony RX1

    Not only is it a cold shoe mount, it doesn稚 appear to have a diopter. Then they go and stick a Leica price tag on it.
    Why would you need a diopter?

    It is Zony price tag, AFAIK.

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    diopter for those with glassses i think

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Ortego View Post
    Looks pretty nice to me, and certainly has more value than the seemingly useless Zeiss OVF. Not only is it a cold shoe mount, it doesn稚 appear to have a diopter. Then they go and stick a Leica price tag on it.
    The Leica X1/2 finder is $299 at B&H. A CV 35mm finder is $209. I do not think either of those finder have a diopter. I am not sure how useful a diopter is on a brightline finder as it does not make a real image like an SLR finder.
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    Ahh Ok... I stand corrected on the diopter thing' and I was way off on the pricing scheme. It’s been a while since I owned my Leica gear and I know that anything I bought from them was always ridiculously priced. Still, I struggle on how the Zeiss OVF provides much value vs. the EVF for considerably less money.

    Frankly, I prefer an OVF but in the case of the RX1 I'm just not sure. Oddly, the current and somewhat pithy reviews that have been published whereby both VF's have been used, the reviewers' don’t mention anything as to how they performed.
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    Re: Sony RX1

    The Zeiss external OVFs have always been expensive, and they're considered the best out there, but there are other options.

    As mentioned by Shashin, the Voigtlander 35 is supposedly great and only $209 US. The mini-finder for $349 US also looks cool. Voigtlander Bessa RF Accessories

    The EVF for the RX1 looks to be $450 US.
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    Re: Sony RX1

    Dan, the Sony finder is expensive and, as Douglas point out, all Zeiss finders are steep. I would think about the Leica X1 or Voigtlander (CV) 35mm finder. I have used Voigtlander (CV) finders and they are nice--all metal construction and you can choose between black and silver. It would also be smaller than the Sony.
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    Re: Sony RX1

    For those interested, the folks over on SAR posted another link that includes some updated photos of the RX1.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    I was able to check out the OVF at PhotoPlus and it was exceptional. However, the RX-1 has a design flaw, IMHO, in that is does not provide any sort of visual indication when focus is achieved. The Leica X1/X2 has small led on the top/back of the camera which lights when focus is achieved. This light is easily seen in your peripheral vision when using the OVF. Its too bad Sony didn't do something like that on the RX-1 as I would prefer the OVF.
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    Thanks Mark, that's helpful to know. Too bad as I was looking forward to the OVF.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Actually, using an E-P1 with an OVF, the indicator light is not needed--you can tell when the AF is locked just by listening to the lens. I could use the audio AF confirmation as well I suppose, but I turn all the sound off on my cameras.

    I am not sure a small light outside the viewfinder I need to spot in my peripheral vision is a better solution...
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    Re: Sony RX1

    I think a slightly longer design with built in evf would have been preferable - similar to the Fuji XE1. Never mind, can't wait to try the thing.

    Do we know when the camera will be available for sale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I think a slightly longer design with built in evf would have been preferable - similar to the Fuji XE1. Never mind, can't wait to try the thing.
    +1 on this!

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Some images from a photographer from Japan on Flickr.

    Flickr: ruri*'s stuff tagged with rx1
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    Nice samples or ‘quick grabs’ that show its potential. Still, I have to pick my horses a bit more carefully based on how the elections came out. Aside from that I remain interested although a little weary to be an early adopter.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    I thought the 6400ISO sample were very nice. Those are the last in the series. There is also in f/2 image in broad daylight--the blue sign in front of the office building.

    Sony is a camera manufacturer, not a politician. All Sony is promising is small and nice image quality. I am not sure I have seen anything to suggest those will not be delivered. Just sayin'.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Sony are an electronics/entertaintment conglomerate.

    I am still witing to see samples that used the built in pop up flash.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    And I thought the Sony Nex 6, a99, and RX1 were cameras...

    Sony Japan has a gallery where at least one image uses the flash as fill. The link is above.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    The Rx100 is oneof the 50 "inventions" of the year. Perhaps time will issue a special december issue to claim the Rx1 as one too.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    I think you are confusing Time Magazine with Sony...

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    Re: Sony RX1

    The RX1 hits the Imaging Resource. Sample images:

    Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX1 Camera Samples - First Shots

    The comparator is up as well. It is interesting to compare the RX1 with the Nikon D600 at 6400ISO.
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    Re: Sony RX1

    Some night images on flickr by the RX1:

    RX1-ISO800 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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    Re: Sony RX1

    I see this camera as a street/nature shooter, so the pros are:
    Fix lens > perfect match lens/sensor
    > no dust on the sensor
    > a 35mm is a great standard and F2 is enough for me
    Sensor size IQ
    Extremely compact
    Built quality > see Steve Huff test 1
    Operation friendly > again see S.Huff
    EVF NOT in body > an advantage for me as far as the back screen is excellent and it seems to be the case, but also because the external EVF can give different angles, very useful if you shot near the ground for example.
    Focal trick > 35mm/50mm/75mm even if just in camera crops, it seems to work just fine, you may want a wide attachment to get to 20 or 24mm

    At first sight the problem is the price tag, so wait a year or so.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Steve Huff seems very impressed, even without an eye-level viewfinder:

    The Sony RX1 Digital Camera Review Part 1: An intro to a full frame compact POWERHOUSE | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS
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    Re: Sony RX1

    Who wouldn't when it makes such gorgeous cat photos!

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    Re: Sony RX1

    I wish someone would send one to Jono to test in China ... Steve Huff's advert was a bit uninspiring I suspect he's getting punch drunk from all the kit he's getting through

    Anyhoo, my pre-order is placed... should get a chance to try it in person sometime before Christmas.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    You can do better, Brian, only if you would compare it with the EM-5 and the MM.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    You can do better, Brian, only if you would compare it with the EM-5 and the MM.
    I think you could do much better than that Vivek

    I have a feeling the RX2 will not be far behind, with an evf in place of that pop up thingie... Still, it's a remarkable feat - rather like an E-P1 with a FF sensor and first rate 35mm lens.

    Can't wait to see whether it feels like 」2.5K build quality.

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    As long as it does not come with an integrated EVF it is a no go for me - especially for that price.

    I also think that Sony is just testing the market for a future RXyz with interchangeable lenses. That would be a great system offering Zeiss / Sony IQ, AF and some selected lenses for this FF system - could become a real competitor to Leica M if Sony plays it right. At least they have all the assets WRT sensor know how, modern camera design, EVF and CZ lenses. So if this system would be some 30-40% cheaper as an equivalent from Leica, it should fly!

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    Re: Sony RX1

    I agree (Brian and Peter) that a more useful one is just around the corner.

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    There is a lot of talk about how they've partially buried the 35mm lens in the body to keep the size of the package down. Is there a physical reason that you couldn't create a "mount" that did the same thing? ie rather than having the mount flush with the front of the body, have it sunk into the body?
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    Re: Sony RX1

    The AA filter stack adds some thickness to the sensor and they do not have room for an electro-mechanical shutter. The ones employed in NEX' are not all that great. If they make a bigger version of those it would be louder than an old SLR camera shutter with the mirror slap.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Well, I for one am glad they did not waste the space to put a built-in EVF in the camera. And I am really fine with a fixed lens. It is a brilliant camera.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    As a happy X100 owner, I'm fine with a fixed lens, but I'll reserve judgement on whether it's a brilliant camera until I've tried it for myself

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Brian, so if you don't think it is a brilliant camera does that mean I don't either?

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    As a happy X100 owner, I'm fine with a fixed lens, but I'll reserve judgement on whether it's a brilliant camera until I've tried it for myself

    Cheers

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    Since you are buying one, that judgement (when it comes) does matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Brian, so if you don't think it is a brilliant camera does that mean I don't either?
    Just to be clear, instead of the flash there could be the built in EVF - which I would have preferred as I almost NEVER use flash, but almost EVERY TIME would use the EVF.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    When a camera is declared "brilliant", that pop-up flash instead of an EVF is a very minor point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Just to be clear, instead of the flash there could be the built in EVF - which I would have preferred as I almost NEVER use flash, but almost EVERY TIME would use the EVF.
    How do you know? The flash is tiny. You are certain an EVF would take up the same space?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    When a camera is declared "brilliant", that pop-up flash instead of an EVF is a very minor point.
    Exactly!

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    How do you know? The flash is tiny. You are certain an EVF would take up the same space?
    Lots of questions with no real ideas about the dimensions, aren't we?

    Yes, the EVF display is very tiny. It is the plastic optics in front of it that makes it bulky. For a "brilliant" camera, better optics would have been thought of, designed and implemented.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Lots of questions with no real ideas about the dimensions, aren't we?

    Yes, the EVF display is very tiny. It is the plastic optics in front of it that makes it bulky. For a "brilliant" camera, better optics would have been thought of, designed and implemented.
    Like you said, we really have no idea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Like you said, we really have no idea...
    If you look to one of these decomposition videos of the NEX6 for example then you see how tiny the EVF is. Much smaller than the flash with all mechanics around.

    Adding first class optics to this EVF would not have made it much bigger!

    And even if the camera would be a small amount larger it would have been a huge benefit for normal size male hands using and holding and handling it :-)

    Only can repeat - without built in EVF this is a NO GO for me!
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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    If you look to one of these decomposition videos of the NEX6 for example then you see how tiny the EVF is. Much smaller than the flash with all mechanics around.

    Adding first class optics to this EVF would not have made it much bigger!

    And even if the camera would be a small amount larger it would have been a huge benefit for normal size male hands using and holding and handling it :-)

    Only can repeat - without built in EVF this is a NO GO for me!
    LOL. You don't actually have to buy a camera that a manufacturer offers. You don't need to buy 8x10 view cameras either. Nor do you have to buy a Merrill dp2.

    But as Vivek has pointed out, we have no idea what is possible...

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