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    Smile Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    I made this photo yesterday to show my "Mini Ms". All these are Leitz Summar lenses with a maximum aperture of f/4.5. Infinity corrected (not all were! but the samples used here are)so usable for other than Macro that they were made for. They are very functional and I use them. Incredible performance (better on the 6 , 5N, C3.. than the dark cornered 7), wide open.


    NEX-7, Speed Booster, Olympus OM 50/3.5, pop up flash

    The 42/4.5 Summar was the one used to assemble Leica's Ur-Leica.
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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Looking fwd to seeing some images from them please Vivek

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Thanks, Shac and Doug.

    I have some snaps somewhere in flickr and have posted these here somewhere.

    This still is the favorite of mine and is apt for the "Mini M". The plastic bag that the lady has on the bike is from a chain here that says (to the extent)- "I don't have to pay more than necessary. I am not crazy".


    NEX-C3, Leitz Summar 24/4.5

    The 5N is a lot better camera and I will make some fresh snaps with it or the 6.
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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    I like this image immensely, Vivek; can't say why, and it doesn't matter!

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Lovely rendition!
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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Kit, Ben, thanks for your kind words!

    Thanks, David (Shac) and Hakkalo.

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    NEX-5N, Leitz Summar 35/4.5, f/4.5, ISO400, 1/40s
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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Vivek - these are really nice - I find it great fun to be able to use all sorts & makes of lenses on the Nex's (assume you do too) - it's just not helping my GAS addiction though I have, however, managed to cease buying any more Pen F lenses after your indirect encouragement
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    Really cool lenses and photos, Vivek. :-)

    Speed isn't everything. I wonder why so many dis the X Vario for having a slow lens? Is it just the price?

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    I like this portrait very much, too, Vivek.

    Ruminating, I feel that ƒ4.5 is excellent for portraits (I shot a lot of corporate portraits at one time, and used at least ƒ2.5 and more usually ƒ4, so the falloff in the DOF was not too intrusive), so on the NEX 6, this Summar would be a perfect environmental portrait lens. From today's web image, it looks sharp, too, but not too sharp, and that helps the whole portrait enterprise too, I feel. Lovely work.

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    And to Godfrey—I have nothing against this new Leica (and had three copies of the old Digilux 2 and some of my best images were made with it or the Panny version). And if what I mention above re. DOF is operative in one's own style, then that slowish zoom will not be a hindrance to making lovely images. I like the UI very much, from what I can see.

    I think it was theSuede (over at Fred's) who made this point (he was talking about the RX-100, but the principle's similar):

    I never stopped wondering if it hadn't been a better idea to target 24-85 instead of 28-100mm AoV, that should have enabled them to keep the long end at least a full stop faster.
    Talking about the new Vario X, one might wonder whether 24–50, and a stop faster, might not have been better received (these are my two favourite FLs, too, BTW).

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    nice collection Kit. I am really quite amused at how small they all are, but all have a mount designed to fit the M .

    Here is my small lens which I use from time to time on the nex 5n. It gets nice bokeh for closer subjects thanks to it's f2.8 aperture



    Here is some images captures with that lens. It is definitely not sharp or clinical, has interesting flare, and character.




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    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    And to GodfreyI have nothing against this new Leica (and had three copies of the old Digilux 2 and some of my best images were made with it or the Panny version). And if what I mention above re. DOF is operative in one's own style, then that slowish zoom will not be a hindrance to making lovely images. I like the UI very much, from what I can see.
    ...
    Talking about the new Vario X, one might wonder whether 2450, and a stop faster, might not have been better received (these are my two favourite FLs, too, BTW).
    I too would have been happier with a stop faster and a shorter tele EFL (would still like about 55-60mm however), but it is what it is. I'm in the midst of thinking hard about where I want to go with my photography and equipment. I have too much at present, I have a need to prune it down somewhat. Yet I like very much what I've got. It's a bit of a quandary.

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Quote Originally Posted by Shac View Post
    Vivek - these are really nice - I find it great fun to be able to use all sorts & makes of lenses on the Nex's (assume you do too) - it's just not helping my GAS addiction though I have, however, managed to cease buying any more Pen F lenses after your indirect encouragement
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    Hi David,

    "GAS" for the sake of it is not good IMO. If there is a classic streak in that quest, it is even worse.

    Thanks a bunch!

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Really cool lenses and photos, Vivek. :-)


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    Thanks, Godfrey.

    I would rather leave the other stuff out of here. These are fruits of passion and not a wealthy wallet buying what it could. Key here is the assembly of the adapters and the focus mounts. It took a lot of time and effort on my part.

    This one is no exception. A special mount to house the S-Planar 32/4 was done by Rong Jin ("jinfinances" on eBay) very kindly and expediently. The S-Planar 32/4 (documentation lens) is probably the sharpest ever made by Zeiss with mtf charts for 100 and 150 cycles.


    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

    A sample shot taken with that combo.


    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
    NEX-7, S-Planar 32/4

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    I like this portrait very much, too, Vivek.

    Ruminating, I feel that 4.5 is excellent for portraits (I shot a lot of corporate portraits at one time, and used at least 2.5 and more usually 4, so the falloff in the DOF was not too intrusive), so on the NEX 6, this Summar would be a perfect environmental portrait lens. From today's web image, it looks sharp, too, but not too sharp, and that helps the whole portrait enterprise too, I feel. Lovely work.
    Thank you, Kit!

    The shutter speed of this handheld combo was sufficiently low (plus the diffused light in the shadow) to have some softness.

    It is, in fact "too sharp".

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    The results you're getting with these lenses are very nice, Vivek! I'm curious as to where you found information to go looking for them.

    I'm going to try one of the NEX 6 bodies soon. I like this 16Mpixel sensor a lot in the X2 and want to give my lenses a shot with it. A NEX 6-like camera with an M-mount was I was hoping Leica would release (that's the connection to That Other Camera for me ... ;-) as I like their take on ergonomics and simplicity.

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    Thanks, Godfrey.

    I was on a mad mission >10 years ago to collect a lot of information about many lenses. That cost a lot. Not at all easy. Plus, I have a room full of books on optics.

    I asked about your Schneider (Robot) lens in another thread. If that (30mm f/5.6, a Tessar clone) has a variable focus setting possibility, it would make a splendid lens on the 6 (on a 7, it would have color shift issues). There are ready adapter possibilities.

    Is that a "beamtenobjektiv"?

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    Hi Vivek - yes - totally agree. What interested me with the Pen F lenses was their small size and IQ. I have settled on the 40/1.4 and 150/4. The others I will try to sell (100/3.5 & 38/1.4). Interestingly, I found that the T-45 hood which I believe is for the 100/3.5 - fits the 40mm with no vignetting issues on the nex.

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    Hi David,

    "GAS" for the sake of it is not good IMO. If there is a classic streak in that quest, it is even worse.

    Thanks a bunch!

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    A recent street capture.


    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
    NEX-5N, Leitz Summar 35/4.5
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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Thanks, Godfrey.

    I was on a mad mission >10 years ago to collect a lot of information about many lenses. That cost a lot. Not at all easy. Plus, I have a room full of books on optics.

    I asked about your Schneider (Robot) lens in another thread. If that (30mm f/5.6, a Tessar clone) has a variable focus setting possibility, it would make a splendid lens on the 6 (on a 7, it would have color shift issues). There are ready adapter possibilities.

    Is that a "beamtenobjektiv"?
    Didn't see the other thread. Been pretty busy, missing a lot of stuff lately.

    The compact Schneider 30mm lens is actually an f/4, designed for the East German secret police. The aperture is fixed, it has adjustable focus from infinity to "R" (reprographic, for document copying). The focusing mount has four marked positions. It's a very cool, very flat and tiny thing, very nice quality for the optimized range from close to middle distance.

    Problem is that it's not a standard lens mount fitment. To fit it to the Star 50, you unbolt the standard Robot lens mounting flange and replace it with the lens using three longer screws. That makes it a little difficult to adapt to other cameras ... but of course, anything can be done with enough effort.

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Shac, Pen F lens are really good, the 40mm f1.4 penf is a remarkable lens. I have that frequently mounted on my 5n as a compact fast aperture all purpose lens.

    Nice shots Vivek, I see you also have a Hawks helicoid. It is a must for any M lens mounted on the Nex as it give amazingly good close ups. I use one with my 15mm Heliar and it gets about 1:2 closeups

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    Vivek, if you ever wanted to sell that Zeiss 32/4, I would be honoured to buy it from you (or the Lietz 35/4.5, for that matter)!

    I have been revisiting the MS-optical Perar 35 images made on the NEX 7; lovely, and the compactness is in the same order as these two of yours. I only sold the MS last year because the focussing experience (via the NEX 7's EVF) was not pleasant, for me—it almost felt like my eye was being "squeezed" by having to look through it. No such problems with the NEX 6, so am looking to re-make this incredibly compact combination, and the 45-50 EFOV is my favourite (as mentioned many times).

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    Nice shots Vivek, I see you also have a Hawks helicoid.
    2 samples!

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Vivek, if you ever wanted to sell that Zeiss 32/4, I would be honoured to buy it from you (or the Lietz 35/4.5, for that matter)!

    I have been revisiting the MS-optical Perar 35 images made on the NEX 7; lovely, and the compactness is in the same order as these two of yours. I only sold the MS last year because the focussing experience (via the NEX 7's EVF) was not pleasant, for meit almost felt like my eye was being "squeezed" by having to look through it. No such problems with the NEX 6, so am looking to re-make this incredibly compact combination, and the 45-50 EFOV is my favourite (as mentioned many times).
    Kit, I take as a compliment and thank you for it. I can help assemble your own with a Summar 35/4.5.

    That 32/4 is a hen's tooth. Even Zeiss for one of their own articles (see: http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/wp-c...mes_Planar.pdf) did not have a sample to show and instead have shown a 32/5.6 (a fixed aperture) S-Planar! ( I have that fixed aperture sample as well but only for own use).

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    Vivek, it was a compliment!

    I have bought an MS-Perar in the meantime, and a Hawk's helicoid M-E adapter—but definitely will take you up on your offer re, the Leitz Summar 35/4.5 when one is found—I would love to compare it to the Perar. Knowing me though, I'd end up keeping both!

    Thank you.

    BTW, if anyone's wondering about the new Siggy 60/2.8 re, bokeh and sharpness, here's two quick ones I took this p.m.:


    and a crop:



    re, magnification (see whiskers); at the pixel limit of the camera, but considering I have sharpness and contrast dialled down (-1 contrast, saturation, and sharpening) for video, not too shabby, really. Definitely a keeper.

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    I just received the pair of adapters that will allow me to use my pre-1940, uncoated Zeiss 40/2 and 38/2.8 lenses from the Robots on the GXR or M9.

    I did some quick tests with the 38/2.8 on the GXR: it shows all the lovely softness of uncoated lens flare ... There's a magic to the rendering of these lenses that is quite different from modern coated lenses, the images look totally unlike what comes out of the Color Skopar 35mm f/2.5 P2.

    Tomorrow I'll take them out for a walk, I think. :-)

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    Well, tiny, anyway. This MS Perar is a natural fit with the Hawk adapter:



    It focusses down to 12" (or a bit less; I have not had time to accurately measure this).

    Here's the unlit fire in front of me:



    and a detail at 100%:



    I have a CV 35/2.5 coming this week; if anyone's interested, I could do a comparison (they really are not too different in size, considering the profile on the NEX body; my feeling is that if a lens does not come out much past the grip, AND is light, then it's a candidate for a walk-around setup). And the CV will fit on my other Hawk adapter, too.

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    Re: Tiny old lenses on NEX'

    I've posted a few from the GXR + RoBoT Zeiss Tessar 38mm f/2.8 in the GXR image thread. Scroll down this page...

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/other-ca...images-35.html

    It is a lovely 75 year old uncoated lens!

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