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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Latest rumors:

    1) AF is faster than the RX series but still not as fast as the best in the mirrorless world
    2) A7 and A7r have focus peaking
    3) eye tracking AF
    4) they are about same size as the Olympus OMD series
    5) There is an optional vertical grip
    6) They have Wifi and NFC
    7) no Tri Navi, They had scroll wheels in front and back (which were very much like nex-7′s) and an exposure comp wheel from RX1.
    8) One source the body quality is very good and the camera had a Pentax LX feeling.
    9) 1/8000 shutter speed
    10) both have tiltatble screen

    I'm assuming regular Sony compatible FF lenses should work with this camera but with Sony you never know. It will be a real pain if that is not the case.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Oddly, Sony (usually, that has been the case with the NEX') offer a cash back deal here at launch. So, it will be worth looking into.

    My concerns are about the EU prices and the sensor performance with adapted lenses.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Well, the US prices appear to be what was rumored (~$1700 and $2300) for the 24/36MP cams! Starting to look more and more interesting!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    And new sensors designed for the short flange distance.
    Could be the other way around this time: Leica mount lenses work better as all the other wides in all other mounts.

    Let's hope that the value of € 2300 aren't the same as $ 2300 because they are not.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Correct but I really do not mind paying 2200 Euro (incl VAT/BTW). We all know how much the RX1 costs here!

    That means you are set on that 7r, Michiel?

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    Yes I am all over it, the way it looks now! A real breakthrough!
    Next problem is what 21 mm lens? I am thinking of the Ultron 21/1.8.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    I am thinking of the Ultron 21/1.8.
    Why?

    There is no proof that would work.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    It is fast, not to expensive and I like straight lines and architecture. But of course we don't know how that voigtländer will work on the A7r.
    If the sensor is optimised for short flange it probably will be fine. W'll see.

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    I keep reading that the only legacy AF lens that will work initially is the kit zoom lens >
    I was really hoping I could use a Sigma 35mm 1.4, a Sony 100mm 2.8 macro and so on. I'm REALLY eager for next Wednesday!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    The EVF is as big as the sensor, it seems (that Sonnar 35mm is quite compact!)!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Beat me to it, Vivek Just saw the pictures.
    That is one massive zoom. I do like the 35mm....though I'm guessing it will cost half the price of the camera.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    No worries, Rafa!

    I do not want any zooms, definitely not the Sony one. I will happily get the A7r+ the FE 35/2.8 to start with (and perhaps that will be the end for FE lenses, AFAIC).
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    Yeah I was curious about how large the zooms would be - particularly the Zeiss ones. If it plays well with wide angle M-mount lenses then I'm gonna preorder an A7r and pass on the OMD EM-1 probably... If not then maybe the OM-D will be in my future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    No worries, Rafa!

    I do not want any zooms, definitely not the Sony one. I will happily get the A7r+ the FE 35/2.8 to start with (and perhaps that will be the end for FE lenses, AFAIC).
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Yeah I was curious about how large the zooms would be - particularly the Zeiss ones. If it plays well with wide angle M-mount lenses then I'm gonna preorder an A7r and pass on the OMD EM-1 probably... If not then maybe the OM-D will be in my future.
    OMD?! OMG!

    I feel sorry for Oly.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    The Carl Zeiss 35 and the 7r also for me for a start. (I thought they started to call them Zeiss only ....)

    Looks good to me for quiet a revolutionary camera, functional and no design gimmics.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    OMD?! OMG!

    I feel sorry for Oly.
    I don't. The OMD is a good camera and very capable. They are playing in two different markets though in a sense and don't see them as competition per se. The person who buys the A7/r will more than likely only cross shop if AF speed/ accuracy is needed, size/ weight are factors, or if the crop sensor is good enough for the job at hand are a factor.

    The OMD is more of the ultimate pro style cropped sensor mirrorless camera.

    The A7/r I see more of a new direction possibly if the rumors are to be believed. It may be the camera that a lot of hobbyists, advanced amateurs, and pros have asked for over the years - a "35mm FF digital back" that plays nice with all lenses but also has a stable of high quality native lenses (potentially.)
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    EM1 /OMD is presumably a "pro" camera with "pro" line of lenses. The A7/r is for rank amateurs. Yes, two different markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    EM1 /OMD is presumably a "pro" camera with "pro" line of lenses. The A7/r is for rank amateurs. Yes, two different markets.
    Well duh... Everyone knows a lenses isn't "PRO" unless it's written on the lens, has a white housing, has a silver housing, or has a long string of acronyms after the focal range/ aperture identifiers.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    BTW, I have been checking out how the E mount lenses would do on a FF.

    Most would need minor mods.

    The biggest bargain at the moment appears to be the Sony/Zeiss 24/1.8.

    I have to locate the 50/1.8 but am confident that also would be OK.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Now, do we have to feel sorry for Leica bodys?

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Now, do we have to feel sorry for Leica bodys?
    No.

    FWIW, all the bitching about lack of availability of M bodies will go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    BTW, I have been checking out how the E mount lenses would do on a FF.

    Most would need minor mods.

    The biggest bargain at the moment appears to be the Sony/Zeiss 24/1.8.

    I have to locate the 50/1.8 but am confident that also would be OK.
    I have the 2 E-mount lenses that came with my NEX-5 and have literally put them in the box. They aren't bad for what they are but I don't fancy them much compared to my Leica, Zeiss, and Voigtlander lenses. I use M-Mount exclusively so far with NEX cameras. I don't see myself buying any of the primes rumored except maybe the ZFE 55/1.8 if it's a performer - and that's still a BIG maybe. I'm somewhat interested in the 24-70/4 and 70-200/4 provided the size isn't too ridiculous for a travel set.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    BTW, I have been checking out how the E mount lenses would do on a FF.

    Most would need minor mods.

    The biggest bargain at the moment appears to be the Sony/Zeiss 24/1.8.

    I have to locate the 50/1.8 but am confident that also would be OK.

    Thanks Vivek. How did you check that out?
    BTW, I think I have those two lenses. :-)
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    K-H, As mentioned (http://www.getdpi.com/forum/542168-post1.html), GG = Ground Glass.

    Here (from mirrorlessrumors) someone compares Leica M with the A7/r.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Exciting times indeed! I sold my M8 a while back and held on to my lenses - 21 (Biogon), 35 Lux asph and 50 cron in the hopes of snagging a cheap (<$2000) M9 to use them on - the prices never did go down that low since the intro of the M240..........so I'm glad I waited. This Sony will be my next purchase! Now the larger question (A7 or A7r). Hmmm........hmmm...

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    Vivek - thanks for the comparison. That camera looks minute next to the M6 - which is a small(ish) camera to begin with! Can't wait! People will be clamoring for this camera when its released! I hope it becomes available before the big holidays!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Now, do we have to feel sorry for Leica bodys?
    I wonder how this will affect Leica's pricing in the future........ for their M bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roanjoh View Post
    I wonder how this will affect Leica's pricing in the future........ for their M bodies.
    I would bet money that it won't effect pricing at all.

    It's pretty much the Leica way. Not produce enough product to satisfy demand, put out a press release in November/December about the impending price increase in January, people buy up what they can to auction off (read: leech) to the desperate and then "magically" have every lens back in stock in March.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Given all of the quality issues with the M, I think this camera will seriously impact M sales if it works well with Leica lenses. The camera freezes, poor quality EVF, numerous sensor problems, and host of usability issues that Leica still has not addressed combined with a nearly 200% price difference (A7r at about 1/3 price) with higher resolution and clearly better sensor will make the M a far less attractive package. If the RX-1 is any indication, the Sony will be a rock solid performer with WiFi, built on grip, built in far superior EVF, etc. The only thing missing will be the range finder. That is a must have for only the smallest segment of the Leica market and the segment that is probably the oldest and fastest diminishing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    Given all of the quality issues with the M, I think this camera will seriously impact M sales if it works well with Leica lenses. The camera freezes, poor quality EVF, numerous sensor problems, and host of usability issues that Leica still has not addressed combined with a nearly 200% price difference (A7r at about 1/3 price) with higher resolution and clearly better sensor will make the M a far less attractive package. If the RX-1 is any indication, the Sony will be a rock solid performer with WiFi, built on grip, built in far superior EVF, etc. The only thing missing will be the range finder. That is a must have for only the smallest segment of the Leica market and the segment that is probably the oldest and fastest diminishing.
    I quite agree! RF of the M is great and maybe the far best RF ever built. But hey, an excellent and high quality built in EVF is definitely the future - except for the Leica RF dinosaurs slowly dying out.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses



    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/542198-post4.html


    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I quite agree! RF of the M is great and maybe the far best RF ever built. But hey, an excellent and high quality built in EVF is definitely the future - except for the Leica RF dinosaurs slowly dying out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    BTW, I have been checking out how the E mount lenses would do on a FF.

    Most would need minor mods.

    The biggest bargain at the moment appears to be the Sony/Zeiss 24/1.8.

    I have to locate the 50/1.8 but am confident that also would be OK.
    Vivek, what do you mean by "minor mods"? - John
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    That thing is as ugly as the tech inside it is exciting.

    Hopefully they can show some smallish lens designs with it. Based on how long it's taken the NEX line to develop its lenses, I'm not sure I'm willing to buy into this one just yet though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Vivek, what do you mean by "mods"? - John
    Hi John, The baffle at the mount (a thin plastic ring in case of the 24/1.8) has to go. I am going to keep it first to try with it on the A7r and then trim it.

    This baffle vignette is very obvious in case of the 30/3.5 Macro as it has a rectangular shaped one.

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    If you ask me, I think the M body/M lens combination will be less bulky. At least easier to carry hung with a strap or to fit in a small bag comparing to the A7/M-lens combo. That VF back extension looks suspiciously uncomfortable.

    Eduardo

    PS Wait a minute. I just realize this camera is a film body. The digital M is a lot fatter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    K-H, As mentioned (http://www.getdpi.com/forum/542168-post1.html), GG = Ground Glass.

    Here (from mirrorlessrumors) someone compares Leica M with the A7/r.


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    I'm hoping that the camera ergonomics are better than the looks, but I'll buy it as long as there are no major IQ problems. Hoping my Contax G lenses will perform well (M mount). I've been pleased with performance of all except the 21 biogon on both the M9 and NEX 6.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    I don't understand the "Leica will die" and "Only dinosaurs use Leica rangefinders" theories.

    A friend of mine has a Mercedes Benz C55. "C55" basically means that it's a C-Class Mercedes with a twin turbo AMG 5.5 litre V8 engine. It's as fast as a Ferrari, cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, much more reliable, much more practical etc. There have been AMG versions of Mercedes Benz available since the late sixties. Has that sent Ferrari into bankruptcy? Nope. Other things almost did, but not the AMG. Ferrari is a totally different experience.

    As is Leica. Objectively, the new Sonys may be better cameras, but I don't believe that will have much negative impact for Leica. What it may do is to send some Leica users back towards more conservative models, like the M9 and the MM. Then there are lenses. Any chance that there will be a Zeiss 21mm f/1.4 for the Sony soon? Or a Zeiss designed, Sony manufactured Noct equivalent? I would say the chances are approaching zero for that. So people still have to queue up to get the real exotic glass, just like they would have to queue up for the latest Ferrari.

    I hope the new Sony cameras will be very successful, and if they develop into a sustainable system, I might consider buying one, but that wouldn't prevent me from buying a Leica too. If I had the money. Which I don't
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Hi Jorgen

    Never said Leica will die

    They will sell more Leica M lenses then ever before

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    " Any chance that there will be a Zeiss 21mm f/1.4 for the Sony soon? Or a Zeiss designed, Sony manufactured Noct equivalent? "

    Why make some of the most bought/sold lenses?

    We have eBay or the FS section here.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Hi Jorgen

    Never said Leica will die

    They will sell more Leica M lenses then ever before
    Somebody said the Leica users are dying. I don't think they are. Most of the Leica users I meet here in Thailand are young people who often start with an M3 and develop from there. There's an enormous developing market for classic style cameras in Asia.

    Vivek,
    Sony is selling electronic gadgets, Leica is selling dreams. Lenses like the 21 Lux and 50 Noct are, apart from being great lenses, very important parts of that dream. A Zeiss/Sony 35mm f/2.8 is nice, I'm sure, but it's not something that will keep enthusiasts awake at night
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post

    Vivek,
    Sony is selling electronic gadgets, Leica is selling dreams. Lenses like the 21 Lux and 50 Noct are, apart from being great lenses, very important parts of that dream. A Zeiss/Sony 35mm f/2.8 is nice, I'm sure, but it's not something that will keep enthusiasts awake at night
    You nailed it!

    That is why Leica will never die.

    BTW, it takes a Leica nut to say that Leica will be dead. The passions involved are such! Fatal attraction!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Some more info here (via SAR ) diglloyd - October 2013

    Starting to look exiting!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Not really fair to compare E-M1 (30 grams heavyer then the A7), a sturdy flagship pro camera, and conclude there is no advantage for M4/3 size wise. There are smaller M4/3 camera's out there.
    Not to speak of the lenses.
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    Some more info here (via SAR ) diglloyd - October 2013

    Starting to look exiting!
    Yeah it looks good and the Zeiss 24-70/4 doesn't look too bad IF that is in fact it. I don't know why the Zeiss 70-200 is in Sony G guise (if it's real) and not Black like the other Zeiss lenses. I'm interested in seeing what the 55/1.8 is like as well.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Yes, I don't like white lenses either. Never saw a white lens made by Zeiss before.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

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    Not really fair to compare E-M1 (30 grams heavyer then the A7), a sturdy flagship pro camera, and conclude there is no advantage for M4/3 size wise. There are smaller M4/3 camera's out there.
    Not to speak of the lenses.

    Here is proof that there are advantages (size wise):

    Here is the image of the Zeiss Sonnar 55mm f/1.8 FE lens for the A7-A7r | Mirrorless Rumors

    That beast is shown without its hood!
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    This looks like the future and the end of mirrors flapping up and down.
    Mind you I'm a sucker for Zeiss lenses since my Contax days so that is a major part of my viewpoint.
    Currently I'm content in Fujiland but this is the only camera I've seen that could pull me in another direction
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

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    Yes, I don't like white lenses either. Never saw a white lens made by Zeiss before.
    I don't mind them per se. I definitely prefer something that doesn't stand out given the choice but I'm pretty sure that "Zeiss FE 70-200/4" shown is a Sony G lens.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    I agree the A7/A7r are probably the most exciting camera body (based on rumor) IMO since the Leica MM.
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