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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    Given all of the quality issues with the M, I think this camera will seriously impact M sales if it works well with Leica lenses. The camera freezes, poor quality EVF, numerous sensor problems, and host of usability issues that Leica still has not addressed combined with a nearly 200% price difference (A7r at about 1/3 price) with higher resolution and clearly better sensor will make the M a far less attractive package. If the RX-1 is any indication, the Sony will be a rock solid performer with WiFi, built on grip, built in far superior EVF, etc. The only thing missing will be the range finder. That is a must have for only the smallest segment of the Leica market and the segment that is probably the oldest and fastest diminishing.
    Hi John,
    the optical viewfinder is a big argument for me to use the Leica M.
    I know there are people now who prefer EVF, but there are also many who do prefer optical viewfinders.
    I also believe there are many people who do like a simple and "analog" style user interface - and here the Leica shines.
    For those people who do like EVF, and who do like AF the Sony looks like a nice alternative...
    The lenses they announced seem to be a usefull compromise between speed and size which I think is good. And I am sure they will add some more special lenses and faster glass later.

    For my part, after going though all kind of stuff (M9-m43-x-pro1-rx1-M) I still found no mirrorless which I prefer over my digital Leicas in regards to user interface AND IQ. I love the 35/1.4FLE and the 75/2.0 as well as the 21/3.4 and 50Summicron/Summilux.
    And I almost allways use the rangefinder. Have tried focus peaking, don't like it. Same with magnification and framing and switching back and forth.
    If I would use the new FF Sony I would want to use it with AF.

    I think your impression about problems with the "M" doesn't reflect reality.
    The M is a damn good camera and most users are pretty happy with it. The biggest issue is the delivery problem IMO.

    I still believe the FF Sony is a great option and some competition in the FF mirrorless market is good for Leica.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    I know that you would buy one (at least to reinforce the idea that whatever else is the best for you)!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Thanks Vivek. How did you check that out?
    BTW, I think I have those two lenses. :-)
    I located the 50/1.8. That also has a rectangular baffle that would induce vignetting on the FF. If sony allows these lenses to be used on the A7 (after removing the baffle) without restrictions, we have a decently priced (still 2X the price of a Canon EF 50/1.8) normal lens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I located the 50/1.8. That also has a rectangular baffle that would induce vignetting on the FF. If sony allows these lenses to be used on the A7 (after removing the baffle) without restrictions, we have a decently priced (still 2X the price of a Canon EF 50/1.8) normal lens.
    The same question would apply to all current E-mount lenses, including the Sigma 19 and 30. I look forward to someone experimenting.

    But when it is said those lenses will work as is, does that mean with the same 1.5 crop factor?

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    John, While not wanting take anything away from the experimentation, the Sigma DN 30/2.8 will not cover the FF. Just APS-C stricktly. I don't have the 19/2.8.

    It isn't clear how it is implemented in the A7/r - APS-C crop only or let it go to cover as much they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Hi John, The baffle at the mount (a thin plastic ring in case of the 24/1.8) has to go. I am going to keep it first to try with it on the A7r and then trim it.

    This baffle vignette is very obvious in case of the 30/3.5 Macro as it has a rectangular shaped one.
    Vivek, be sure to film it and post it here so we can trash our e-mount lenses to fit the FF mount too
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    I think there's both mode... cropped, or FF with heavy vignette. Just from rumor site though.
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    Thank you, Vivek. Very helpful, as always.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hosermage View Post
    I think there's both mode... cropped, or FF with heavy vignette. Just from rumor site though.
    I hope that comes true, David!

    The E 50/1.8 OSS is stabilised. It isn't clear if that will be allowed function as well.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    I really like Sony cameras and I should say that this looks like a fantastic camera ..... if you want to shoot with AF prime lenses - decent full frame zooms seem big enough to rather remove the size advantage, and one may as well use a Nikon D800 or a Sony A99.

    With respect to medium and telephoto Leica lenses I'm sure it will also be absolutely fantastic, but I think one should keep one's reality hat on with respect to wide angle lenses - especially if the news about angled microlenses is true.

    As I understand it, Leica moved away from angled micro lenses because it was too difficult to control the 'Italian flag' colour shift across the frame, and that was even when applying software fixes which were specific to both lenses and apertures. With a Bayer filter there is a tendency to a lopsided colour balance with angled micro lenses, one which will vary with the angle of light and thus the aperture.

    Perhaps Sony has developed some kind of magic soup to work out these problems, or even better, perhaps they have developed some kind of tool where you can name and profile specific lenses for use with the camera (it would certainly be possible).

    I'm only pointing this out, because it seems to me that everyone is assuming that this will be the final solution for their Leica M lenses, and although it may be, I think I'd be treading with some caution.

    But Hell - I'm seeming like a naysayer - this looks like a fantastic pair of cameras to me, and if I needed AF with prime lenses I'd be on them like a dose of salts.

    I also think it'll be good for Leica - Sony are expanding the market for small, full frame, cameras, and this will benefit everyone. Let's face it, 20% of an annual market of 100,000 cameras is better than 100% of a 10,000 camera market! If you want a full frame camera with a rangefinder and manual focus (and you don't have to be an old fool like me to want one), then an M is still the answer.

    Just don't assume that M mount wide angle lenses (35mm and below) will work straight away - it's a complicated issue, and it would be delightful (but surprising) if Sony could have got this one right out of the box.

    Just a final note - I'm sure that this is where the mainstream future of photography is (high speed EVF with phase detect). If I were Nikon or Canon I'd be very worried.



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    Jono please buy one and try it out so when you find out what you thought was right you can sell it to me so I can also find out what you thought was right then sell it to someone else :-)

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post

    As I understand it, Leica moved away from angled micro lenses because it was too difficult to control the 'Italian flag' colour shift across the frame, and that was even when applying software fixes which were specific to both lenses and apertures.
    Yeah and that is why there is a Mandler group among the Leica nuts.

    Good point, Jono.

    Even with their own lenses designed for their own new system cameras, Sony struggles to get the color balance/shift issues right. There is no chance in hell they would with the A7/7R.

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    And then there are the Leica wide angle R lenses...

    Cannot wait!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

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    And then there are the Leica wide angle R lenses...

    Cannot wait!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Even with their own lenses designed for their own new system cameras, Sony struggles to get the color balance/shift issues right. There is no chance in hell they would with the A7/7R.
    I'm sure they'll be just fine with their own lenses - the size suggests that they're pretty much telecentric anyway.

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    With respect to medium and telephoto Leica lenses I'm sure it will also be absolutely fantastic
    I'm on the edge of my seat !!!

    Just a final note - I'm sure that this is where the mainstream future of photography is (high speed EVF with phase detect). If I were Nikon or Canon I'd be very worried.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I'm sure they'll be just fine with their own lenses - the size suggests that they're pretty much telecentric anyway.
    Size isn't always a measure of telecentricity. Many R lenses aren't!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Vivek, be sure to film it and post it here so we can trash our e-mount lenses to fit the FF mount too
    Rafa, It turns out to be too ridiculous to post even a picture! There are 3 screws that hold the baffle (24/1.8 and 50/1.8) which are not glued. Simply unscrew them to remove the baffle.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Size isn't always a measure of telecentricity. Many R lenses aren't!
    They didn't need to be

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Correct!

    Take a look at your post #114. One can not have everything.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Correct!

    Take a look at your post #114. One can not have everything.
    Touche! But I still think they'll be fine - the adapter should add enough distance. Not like a 28 elmarit with it's rear element right up by the sensor (there's telecentric and telecentric)

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    One area where these cameras will probably be a revolution is for people who are using (mostly Canon) DSLRs for manual focus legacy lenses, particularly since Canikon are moving away from "proper" focusing screens. The question is whether those old lenses are good enough to make an impression on a 24 or 36M sensor, but one can always reduce the size of the images in post processing (as a Photoshop batch job even) to a size that they can handle. I have a nice little collection of OM lenses that would be very happy to see daylight a bit more often. Then there are a couple of C/Y jewels and the Nikkors

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    The RX1 is the best 35mm equivalent FOV camera and lens combination I have ever used.

    The new FF cameras from Sony look to be the bomb.

    I think Sony has discovered the secret sauce.

    The one trick that Nikon and Canon seem to have left, for my work, is speedy focus on moving subjects.

    I expect the new Sony cameras to all but eliminate every other advantage that my FF Nikon gear has once enough lenses are available.

    My question is, how good is the new $1,100 Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 going to be?

    Will it be comparable to the $4,000 55mm f/1.4 with both set to f/2?

    Considering I can get the 36 MP camera and the $1,100 lens for less than the pricier lens by itself, it is probably a silly question.

    Also, I wonder how good the video is. It has to be awfully good to keep up with Panasonic. I expect them to come out with a micro 4/3's camera with 4K before too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Then there are a couple of C/Y jewels
    Oh, yes.

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    Hi Jono
    The wide angle R's I am wondering about are the 15mm fish eye, 16mm fish eye, 19mm, 21mm, 21-35mm. I have accumulated a lot of glass over the last 55 years. Have used most of the film M's and R's.

    This is why i am waiting.

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    Dear Canon and Nikon,
    It may be time for you to start paying attention. Within a few months, I will be using m4/3 for sports, travel and video, the camera below for most other things and your cameras for more or less nothing (except the F6, which is a lovely camera).

    I have a feeling I'm not the only one.

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    As a dedicated RX1 owner I will almost certainly be going with the A7.

    Probably not the A7r as I am still suspicious about the image quality unless the E mount lenses really are excellent quality that can match the resolution of the sensor.

    The 24mpx sensor in the RX1 - which is the same as the A99 - which it is claimed will be the same in the A7 - which I am highly suspicious is equal to or the same as the new 'M' is an absolute winner. Colouration, detail etc are excellent. I've never been happier with the output of a digital camera (although either of my two Sigma DP Merrils do contain sharper detail at 100%).

    I'd rather spend a little less on a body like the A7 and more on glass.

    Well done Sony. I have always felt (and sometimes stated) that Sony are a bit like the Microsoft of the camera world. Always a little late but they will end up owning the camera market.

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    Saw the video. Looks cool. Unless there is something terminally wrong with the image quality of the A7R, any interest I had for the Nikon D800 has suddenly been reduced to around zero. The camera that was a small revolution last year is suddenly a dinosaur (as is Sony's own A99). Such are the times we live in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Dear Canon and Nikon,
    It may be time for you to start paying attention. Within a few months, I will be using m4/3 for sports, travel and video, the camera below for most other things and your cameras for more or less nothing (except the F6, which is a lovely camera).

    I have a feeling I'm not the only one.

    Yours sincerely, etc.

    Jorgen,

    how true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Saw the video. Looks cool. Unless there is something terminally wrong with the image quality of the A7R, any interest I had for the Nikon D800 has suddenly been reduced to around zero. The camera that was a small revolution last year is suddenly a dinosaur (as is Sony's own A99). Such are the times we live in
    Exactly, this is what happens today and the cycles are getting shorter and shorter!

    Being a almost 100% Olympus m43 shooter (with my soon arriving EM1) I am also looking forward to some enhancements for m43 in near future, given the advances we see from Sony in A7 and A7r.

    Exciting times ....

    PS: not sure how long to keep my D800E and all Nikon gear

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    SOLD. I'm probably going to use my M-mount lenses to start with being that it's coming out around Christmas.
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    Hi Vivek,
    I am afraid that in this case I wont. I have had an A33, Nex5n and Nex7 and a RX1 and allways came back home to my Leica gear-which suits me better. Do you remember Leica M alltime best camera? (Wait- the S is even better)
    I am just someone who likes OVF and simple user interface.
    For a small camera EVF is great and better than a tiny pinhole OVF, but from a certain camera size on....I prefer realtime over TV.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Hi Tom,

    Thanks.

    If I had a Leica S (or even the old 2 ), I would not be horsing around with any digital camera, small or big. Pure and simple.

    Oh, as for as the all time best Leica goes, it is the Leica MM for me. It is likely to remain the best camera that I ever owned/used, not to be replaced by the loud A7r (however tiny it may be). It is real shame that gem is atrociously priced and out of reach of many photogs.

    I would not use real time vs TV. All cams will be "TVs" sooner than you realise and I suspect that you are not a Medusa (in terms of age).

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Probably not the A7r as I am still suspicious about the image quality unless the E mount lenses really are excellent quality that can match the resolution of the sensor.
    Well, considering their 55mm f/1.8 is going to be around $1,100, I don't think they are skimping on quality, but that said, you can adapt any lens from any system that you want. Canon, Nikon, Leica, Sony A, etc. This camera far exceeds the D800E in this regard, because now you actually can use lenses that take full advantage of the resolution available.

    Zeiss should make their 55/1.4 Otus in FE mount.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    It isn't clear which one has the special microlenses!

    I have pre-ordered the A7R (2099Euros free ship, expected 16-19 November).

    Here some shots: SONY*A7R???????????????_??????-???_????

    Apparently, the 21/2.8 ZM Biogon poses (color shift) problems but the 50/2 ZM Planar appears OK

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    And the price is right! 2099, A7r body only in Europe

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Absolutely! It is shocking!

    Got to do the right thing to encourage Sony by pushing the buy button.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post

    Apparently, the 21/2.8 ZM Biogon poses (color shift) problems but the 50/2 ZM Planar appears OK
    HI There Vivek - where did you read that? (I'm interested). As I've bored everyone with, I'm sceptical about use with M lenses wider than 35mm, but I'd loved to be convinced otherwise.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Hi Jono, Can Silas read Chinese? It is in the link (http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_643b266c0102e29p.html).

    BTW, you are not alone with that curiosity and what I posted earlier about Sony not being able to handle color shift issues was factual and in resignation. My expectations are realistically very, very low.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Hi Jono, Can Silas read Chinese? It is in the link (SONY*A7R???????????????_??????-???_????).
    Hi Vivek
    Simeon can . . . but he's in China! Silas I think not. . . . and as for Saul
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    BTW, you are not alone with that curiosity and what I posted earlier about Sony not being able to handle color shift issues was factual and in resignation. My expectations are realistically very, very low.
    Well, I know I've seemed grumpy about this camera, and I do have fairly severe reservations. On the other hand I'm absolutely certain that it (or cameras like it) do represent the future of stills photography. It's just a pity that nobody seems to be able to develop small FF AF lenses except Pentax (and they're screwdriver).

    I've placed an order for an A7r - WEX are great, and I can cancel it at any time up until delivery, and hopefully things will be clearer by then - I think that Sandy ought to start charging for corner fix! .

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    The Zeiss zm 18/4 looks good here Field Test: Sony A7R l Brian Smith Pictures

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    Oohps accident!

    The body of the 7R is different inside from the 7, more sturdy because of the extra magnesium front plate for heavy lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    The Zeiss zm 18/4 looks good here Field Test: Sony A7R l Brian Smith Pictures
    The devil is in the corners and they are chopped off.

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    True! It's cropped.

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    For some photographers (myself included) putting Leica M mount lenses on the Sony A7R may be reason enough to break out a bottle of Veuve Cliquot champagne and celebrate. Using an M to E adapter (I have a Metabones), virtually every Leica M lenses that I own works well on the A7R. Some of the ultra-wide and very wides do vignette, so be aware of this. There is no software correction for this, because we're mixing and matching. With other systems where the lens and camera are from the same company there's a lot of magic that can be done in firmware.

    I had neither the time nor the full selection of lenses to test in detail what works and what doesn't, but I think it fair to say that most retrofocus design Leica M lenses will work on the A7R. When you consider that this camera has a high resolution EVF, focus peaking, intelligent Auto-ISO so manual aperture lenses can be used in a semi-automated manner, and of course a 36 Megapixel sensor, this is hot stuff indeed.
    An insipid (with pretty much no detail on wides) promo here: Sony A7R Hands-On
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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    As a dedicated RX1 owner I will almost certainly be going with the A7.

    Probably not the A7r as I am still suspicious about the image quality unless the E mount lenses really are excellent quality that can match the resolution of the sensor.

    The 24mpx sensor in the RX1 - which is the same as the A99 - which it is claimed will be the same in the A7 - which I am highly suspicious is equal to or the same as the new 'M' is an absolute winner. Colouration, detail etc are excellent. I've never been happier with the output of a digital camera (although either of my two Sigma DP Merrils do contain sharper detail at 100%).

    I'd rather spend a little less on a body like the A7 and more on glass.

    Well done Sony. I have always felt (and sometimes stated) that Sony are a bit like the Microsoft of the camera world. Always a little late but they will end up owning the camera market.

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    I get the reasoning of spending on lenses. But after using the M9 and now Ricoh GR, I'm sold on no AA filter. Perhaps there are other factors involved, but I see an acuity that I find particularly pleasing.

    I suspect if I went for the A7 I'd always be thinking about what I might have gotten with the A7r. Probably irrational, but we all know how it goes with cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    I get the reasoning of spending on lenses. But after using the M9 and now Ricoh GR, I'm sold on no AA filter. Perhaps there are other factors involved, but I see an acuity that I find particularly pleasing.

    I suspect if I went for the A7 I'd always be thinking about what I might have gotten with the A7r. Probably irrational, but we all know how it goes with cameras.

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    My 2 cents: one of the problems with the NEX range has been the lack of convincing 'native' lenses, particularly important given the lack of in-body stabilisation and notably marked in the mid-range zoom sector.

    This should have been answered by the new Sony Zeiss 16-70 F4 but my first impressions of this lens (see samples in the relevant thread in this forum) are that it is more like a kit lens than you would expect given its label and price point.

    For me what that means is that the new A7r is possibly a risky pre-order (not that this has stopped me from pre-ordering one!) because the key lens for my use will be the new 24-70 f4. It's a small and light lens compared to the (near) equivalents from Canikon but if it doesn't aim any higher than the 16-70 F4 E mount lens (and it is comparable in price) then it risks rendering that lovely sensor somewhat pointless: of course like all diligent photographers I use primes for serious use but a better than adequate mid range zoom is a core requirement for me in a system camera...

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    My 2 cents: one of the problems with the NEX range has been the lack of convincing 'native' lenses, particularly important given the lack of in-body stabilisation and notably marked in the mid-range zoom sector.

    This should have been answered by the new Sony Zeiss 16-70 F4 but my first impressions of this lens (see samples in the relevant thread in this forum) are that it is more like a kit lens than you would expect given its label and price point.

    For me what that means is that the new A7r is possibly a risky pre-order (not that this has stopped me from pre-ordering one!) because the key lens for my use will be the new 24-70 f4. It's a small and light lens compared to the (near) equivalents from Canikon but if it doesn't aim any higher than the 16-70 F4 E mount lens (and it is comparable in price) then it risks rendering that lovely sensor somewhat pointless: of course like all diligent photographers I use primes for serious use but a better than adequate mid range zoom is a core requirement for me in a system camera...
    HI There Tim
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    I quite agree - sadly the The Sony/Zeiss 16-80mm f3.5-4.5 was similarly less good than one might have been expected.

    I'm in exactly the same place as you are . . .. (risky pre-order), I'm really waiting to see how it works with the medium wide leica lenses, if they are good then I'll go ahead, if not, then perhaps not. We shall see.

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