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    Thumbs up FF NEX and F E lenses

    Finally, the day is coming!

    Leaks show a FF F-E Sonnar 35/2.8 lens, in NEX E mount.

    Exciting times ahead!
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    Waiting for it with bells on

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Huh? FF Nex? When?

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Yes it's coming and I am waiting for it. If it's any good it will be my NEX't camera.

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    The moving sensor (ala Contax AX) rumor has my interest...

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    When? Anyone have the rumored specs? Need another camera to supplement the a900 but don't know if I should go the a99 route or wait for the FF Nex. I shoot sports and moving subects primarily.

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    Rumors mainly coming from this site
    sonyalpharumors
    By the time he gets to SR5 it's pretty certain

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikalWGrass View Post
    When? Anyone have the rumored specs? Need another camera to supplement the a900 but don't know if I should go the a99 roul te or wait for the FF Nex. I shoot sports and moving subects primarily.
    Mikal, if you have been a Sony shooter for the last few years you will be familiar with this particular dance. If your acquaintance with Sony is very recent then let me give you my take on this process.

    First the rumor sites will get the initial specs and timeline wrong. So for the full-frame NEX (aka NEX-9) they've been batting this one around for the last 18 months. The next step is some real info arrives that re-ignites the rumors. At this point the speculation starts incorporating real and made up details into one super product. Once again an overly optimistic timeline is floated and hopes are dashed again. Finally, the real release date sneaks up on the rumor sites and they scramble to make believe that their earlier predictions were spot on. Also as the real specs surface a lot of back-pedalling is performed to also make it seem like the real info was known all along. Bottom line, it takes about two years after the first rumors and the actual product is always different from the earlier predictions and has some oddball flaw or ommission.

    Based on the NEX-9 rumors I've followed, it will be out sometime between March and September of 2014 and it will still need a few tweaks before being ready for prime-time.

    Now let me just state for the record that I'm both an A-850 and a NEX-5N shooter and fervently hope that a mirrorless full-frame (NEXish or biggish) Sony is under the Christmas tree for me this year. But in my experience, the process is slow, painful and full of drama.

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    Thanks guys.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    If that turns out to be true, it is very disappointing! A FF NEX with no built in EVF would be very unappealiing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    If that turns out to be true, it is very disappointing! A FF NEX with no built in EVF would be very unappealiing!
    I'm not sure that's a NEX. It sounded like it was an RX-1 with some kind of e-mount. Shouldn't a NEX at the high end, more resemble a NEX 7 or NEX-6? I assume a built in EVF would be a given for the FF NEX.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    There are a lot of conflicting rumors floating around behind the smoke curtains

    Let the (their) Olympus engineers design a beautiful FF body with IS and viewfinder and get rid of the childish interface.
    Then we have a great camera.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    There are a lot of conflicting rumors floating around behind the smoke curtains

    Let the (their) Olympus engineers design a beautiful FF body with IS and viewfinder and get rid of the childish interface.
    Then we have a great camera.
    Would be nice but a bit of a pipe dream. I don't see Olympus moving an inch off of m4/3.

    Andrea over at SonyAlpha Rumors hasn't mentioned one word about this FF RX w/interchangeable lenses so I am really curious to see if it is real. With the FF NEX reported to be announced in September I don't see the benefit of an interchangeable RX with no EVF - other than a leaf shutter.

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    I love my RX-1 but a FF interchangeable is a fantasy date for me. Bring it on. My A99 will be out the door.
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    Smoke screens. My wallet is ready when the dust settles.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hausen View Post
    I love my RX-1 but a FF interchangeable is a fantasy date for me. Bring it on. My A99 will be out the door.
    You would miss a great integrated viewfinder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken_vs_ryu View Post
    Smoke screens. My wallet is ready when the dust settles.
    Agreed. i will have to get a wallet though!

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Sonyalpharumors has now picked up the RX interchangeable lens rumor,
    Also David Kilpatrick confirms the NEX-FF is coming in October! | sonyalpharumors

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    Yeah, I have been reading all the various rumors and now so called reports. I am hoping that the last bit about a changed e mount is not right. But, you know how this goes with rumors and new products we will surely hear just about anything.

    Either way I am ready to get a full frame Sony of some kind in the next few months. Money is set aside and it will either be a a-99 if they offer the flash and grip bundle again or the new ILC NEX/RX if it works with legacy glass like my CG's. I was even recently considering the RX-1 but knew to wait a bit with all these rumors flying around.

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    Iīm praying for Sony to play itīs cards right for once. They just love releasing a first model RX1 full of "glitches" and then releasing another model to fix it instead of doing it via firmware update. I would REALLY like they to believe they would get it right straight away but itīs not their strategy and they make more money the other way. But itīs nice to know they are at least walking towards a different direction and that one day I will be able to replace my Canon 6D and my NEX-7 for one single camera.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Iīm praying for Sony to play itīs cards right for once. They just love releasing a first model RX1 full of "glitches" and then releasing another model to fix it instead of doing it via firmware update. I would REALLY like they to believe they would get it right straight away but itīs not their strategy and they make more money the other way. But itīs nice to know they are at least walking towards a different direction and that one day I will be able to replace my Canon 6D and my NEX-7 for one single camera.
    What do you mean? The RX1 is probably has the fewest amount of things that I'd change in a firmware update of any camera I've owned. It isn't perfect, but they did a pretty good job. It certainly isn't the beta-type release of the Fuji X cameras (I've owned two of those.)

    Sony has the capability of improving cameras through firmware. My A100, A700, A900 and NEX-5 all had several firmware updates that both fixed bugs and added new features. We'll see.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    I quite agree with you, the RX-1 firmware is not bad at all. The only thing I would wish is to be able to assign the AF-on function to the AEL button, while in manual focus (or perhaps I need to read the manual after all...?).

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    Ok, except for the AF and the video functions the RX1 was a bad example, but look at how many NEX3s and NEX5s were released with only minor improvements. Come on, it's just insulting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baudolino View Post
    I quite agree with you, the RX-1 firmware is not bad at all. The only thing I would wish is to be able to assign the AF-on function to the AEL button, while in manual focus (or perhaps I need to read the manual after all...?).
    Yep, you just need to read the manual. You can set AF-on to more than one button on the camera.

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    Ok, except for the AF and the video functions the RX1 was a bad example, but look at how many NEX3s and NEX5s were released with only minor improvements. Come on, it's just insulting.
    Huh? There were 5 firmware updates for the NEX-5, which added ALL KINDS of functionality. For example:

    -Adds the function to use "Picture Effect" modes
    -Adds the function to use "Peaking Level" and to select the "Peaking Color" in manual focus mode
    -Adds "Soft key Settings" to the "Setup" menu to allow customization of the soft keys
    -Adds the "Menu start" function
    -Adds two more settings to the "MF Assist" function
    -Improves menu item selection using the Control Wheel
    -Changes the aperture setting function so the setting is maintained when using "Background Defocus Control" or "Aperture Priority" movie recording modes
    -Adds support for auto focus with Supported A-mount Lenses.
    -Adds a function to enlarge the image when "Release w/o Lens" is set to "Enable"
    -Adds the 3D Sweep Panorama™ function (More information about supported 3D functions.)
    -Improves the Sweep Panorama function
    -Resolves an issue where the battery may be drained even if the camera is turned off
    -Reduces start-up time under low light conditions

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    People companied the RX-1 only had a 35mm lens, now folks are excited by a possible FF Nex that also only has one 35mm lens...

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    What a bizarre statement to make about Sony. The Nex was a camera that truly proved Sony was listening to end users and they did anything but obsolete the camera in favor of a slightly newer one on that model. The NEX-5 got focus peaking added in firmware that was a shock of as the camera was near end of production yet Sony added this feature along with all the other improvements that came as a result of user feedback.

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    Don't get me wrong, I love the NEX system and I REALLY want to see it triumph, but still you have like 4 or 5 versions of the NEX3 and NEX5 with no night/day improvements. And the way they plan their products`development doesn't please me at all. The NEX6 is supposed to be the fastest NEX out there but Sony decided to implement an AF system that will only work in a small portion of E-mount lenses (even when they know they are way behind other mirrorless systems). Anyway, this is a Nex FF thread and I don't want to thread jack, so I'll say no more.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    (SR5) First short NEX-FF system hands-on report (We need lenses)! | sonyalpharumors

    I am quite likely to get one of these when they show up. Yes, even at a field testing stage (leak) there are valid criticism. I think that unless there is pressure on Sony nothing good will come out of them.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Sounds like a perfect body for a lot of lenses.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Peronally I like it when the camera is 20% bigger as the NEX-7. I use the NEX-7 with a Gariz case, feels much better especially with somewhat bigger lenses.

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    Yes, a larger NEX-7 would be great. Personally, I hate that Gariz case. Regret having wasted $100+ on that.

    Despite the rumored 20% increase in size, it will still be very compact compared to many others out there.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Sounds like a perfect body for a lot of lenses.
    I guess you are quite well equipped, Michiel!

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    Not so, I don't have as many nice bodys as you have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    You would miss a great integrated viewfinder!
    I really like the External view finder for RX-1. I use it a lot long exposure on a tripod and the EVF is like a WLF for me and I can get really low. So I won't miss the A99 finder at all.
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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    I would really hope that the FF NEX will have an EVF and a hotshoe for flash so that both can be used at the same time.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I love the NEX system and I REALLY want to see it triumph, but still you have like 4 or 5 versions of the NEX3 and NEX5 with no night/day improvements. And the way they plan their products`development doesn't please me at all. The NEX6 is supposed to be the fastest NEX out there but Sony decided to implement an AF system that will only work in a small portion of E-mount lenses (even when they know they are way behind other mirrorless systems). Anyway, this is a Nex FF thread and I don't want to thread jack, so I'll say no more.

    I'm just kind of blown away about what kind of improvements you expect? Focus peaking, picture styles, user definable memory buttons, etc., are all major additions. My Fuji X100 was in such a beta state when it came out that it took multiple firmwares just to get it to where it should have been at release.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    If the latest rumors are to be believed, a digital Nikon FM2 or a digital Olympus OM1 is going to be delivered by Sony! A lot of NEX folks may be disappointed.

    I think it is great news (shape/form factor) though!

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    Where can I buy one for my Leica R lenses?
    I already got the OM-D E-M1.
    It has a superb user interface for my hands!
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    Hopefully, in a store near you and me (or online somewhere).

    I held off buying a Canon 6D (because it is cheap and almost the same price as the OMD) specifically because of this.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Hopefully, in a store near you and me (or online somewhere).

    I held off buying a Canon 6D (because it is cheap and almost the same price as the OMD) specifically because of this.
    Exactly! The 6D was on my mind for a while too but the Sony A7(R) will be my next body besides my own body
    I'll think it will look more like a RX1 with a grip and EVF hump on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    If the latest rumors are to be believed, a digital Nikon FM2 or a digital Olympus OM1 is going to be delivered by Sony! A lot of NEX folks may be disappointed.

    I think it is great news (shape/form factor) though!
    Vivek:

    I saw the Olympus picture. And then the next article had a photo-shopped merge of a NEX7and RX1 with an EVF thrown in for good measure! Of course if I were just a patient man none of this would bother me. I could just wait until the 16th (or whenever it gets announced) and see what exactly is being offered. But I'm not patient. I'm the typical gear fanatic. So going to SAR is like entering some kind of carnival funhouse. Between the confusing headlines and the hysterical ranting of the commenters it's almost as if you know less when you leave than you did when you entered. Very odd.

    But that doesn't mean I'm not highly excited by the prospect of a really great camera being finally available from Sony.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    I was wondering if the Sony LA-EA1 NEX Mount Adapter (A to E mount) will work as well on the FF NEX?
    I would think so. Any reasons why it wouldn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Vivek:

    I saw the Olympus picture. And then the next article had a photo-shopped merge of a NEX7and RX1 with an EVF thrown in for good measure! Of course if I were just a patient man none of this would bother me. I could just wait until the 16th (or whenever it gets announced) and see what exactly is being offered. But I'm not patient. I'm the typical gear fanatic. So going to SAR is like entering some kind of carnival funhouse. Between the confusing headlines and the hysterical ranting of the commenters it's almost as if you know less when you leave than you did when you entered. Very odd.

    But that doesn't mean I'm not highly excited by the prospect of a really great camera being finally available from Sony.

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    That has become the norm. I am not easily perturbed nowadays.

    I think it will turn out OK.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    I was wondering if the Sony LA-EA1 NEX Mount Adapter (A to E mount) will work as well on the FF NEX?
    I would think so. Any reasons why it wouldn't?
    Michiel, I would wait to see if there are any new adapters. I am not sure if the Kenko extension tubes I have will work properly without any (physical obstruction induced) vignetting, for example.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    David Kilpatrick was one of the first to suggest an RX1 relation to the new Nex FF, and he's mentioned, among other things, the following:
    "The body is exactly the same size and the mount is thought to be a modified E-mount with additional contacts to enable the silent leaf-shutter and iris action which is the hallmark of the RX1 as a ‘stealth’ shooter. It’s possible that the RX1-N (not necessarily its name) lenses will fit other E-mount bodies, but existing E-mount lenses won’t fit the new mini-Leica-style body. But it may also contain a focal plane shutter..."
    So, if this is true, then there is a likelihood that the LA-EA1 A to E adapter would not function either.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Thanks gentlemen.
    Yes it makes sense to wait.

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    Re: FF NEX and F E lenses

    Sony's thrashing about... A mount, E mount, both full frame. E, F-E, eEVF, no EVF...

    I'll be quite surprised if they release anything that can effectively use my A mount glass, that has a form factor worth considering.

    Frustrated... The a900 concept held such promise.

    Rand

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