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    A7 or A7r

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    As much as I want to justify the extra pixels and lack of AA filter - the faster AF is swaying me to the A7 - and 24 mpx is more than enough for most of what I shoot.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    A7r

    With this loud of a shutter, there is no need for an AA filter and the r does not have one.

    I don't think both my NEX-5N or the NEX-6 have one either (unlike the NEX-7 which does have one just like the original 5 did).

    Better construction, presumably.

    I really do not need AF and in the rare event I do, the A7r's AF would suffice.

    I am sure there may be whole host other reasons....too many to list.
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    I am spoiled by the 36 MP of my D800E, so A7r.
    Most of the time I use manual lenses.
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    A7r. Since the Sony PDAF sensors have not really proven to be as good as it's competitors eg OMD, Panasonic, Nikon V1, one may as well get the feature which Sony is good at, and that is ultra high resolution from the A7r.

    Also since Sony's FE range of lens is pretty small at the moment, I would use an A7r purely with legacy glass, which will not benefit from AF

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    None of these will be "action cameras" anyway, so A7r with more megapixels and better build quality is an easy choice

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    A7r

    I like to be able to print big and I don't like AA filters to smear things

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    A7r. I plan to use M-mount lenses and the occasion zoom for the times I need AF.
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Dunno. Time will tell which, if either, does better with adapted M lenses.
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    A7r: I want to cut myself with photographic sharpness.
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    If you want af, a7. If you want to play with old lenses, a7r.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by ken_vs_ryu View Post
    If you want af, a7. If you want to play with old lenses, a7r.
    I am not so sure anymore! Apparently, the 7 has electronic first curtain shutter and the 7r has the shot gun / loud variety. In addition, there is one report of someone who checked out both with M mount lenses reporting the A7 behaving like the NEX6 and the 7r like the NEX7. It is a bit confusing to me at the moment.

    (I have already preordered the 7r)
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    R. Gimme dem pixels.
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    R. Gimme dem pixels.
    Exactly!
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    A7r/A7߸л*ʶԱ_ A7_Ӱ-йش

    For A7R believers, you have made the right decision

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    I would choose a A7r for me. -- Most likely. The price difference is too small to make the A7 more price desirable, so it comes down to features and options.

    But I feel there is no right or wrong answer here, its more a choice question. Which will function best with wide lenses may be a consideration.
    I am seriously considering selling off a bunch of things to fund one. Samples of course will tell.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    M lenses at 36 meg.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    A7r.

    Wide angle Leica M lenses? What are those? Never used wides..Leica or anybody else's.

    I struggle with 35mm and only use it if I cannot decide what is important.

    So that is not an issue for me.

    So why am I even looking at this? I don't know.

    Maybe because I have mostly used Sony video and audio.

    Interesting times indeed.

    p.s. What with the EM-1 to read about too!

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by iskaII View Post
    A7r/A7߸л*ʶԱ_ A7_Ӱ-йش

    For A7R believers, you have made the right decision
    The quoted site is a comparison of high ISO performance of both cameras. The author's conclusion is that the A7r has better high ISO performance.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    I would go the A7r as a backup and travel cam to my Nikon or even take its place and get back to MF. It brings a interesting choice for me. I even thought the Oly doing that but this immediately took that option. I could easily switch my Leica 19mm r lens to Sony and also use a Nikon adapter to use my existing glass. It brings a interesting option that I did not count on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    A7r. I plan to use M-mount lenses and the occasion zoom for the times I need AF.

    check first for magenta casting on certain wide angle M mount lens before sinking money into the a7r

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I am not so sure anymore! Apparently, the 7 has electronic first curtain shutter and the 7r has the shot gun / loud variety. In addition, there is one report of someone who checked out both with M mount lenses reporting the A7 behaving like the NEX6 and the 7r like the NEX7. It is a bit confusing to me at the moment.

    (I have already preordered the 7r)
    Love the electronic first curtain implemented on my 5n. It takes a bit to get used to ,but then it just sounds right. Best of all, the shutter response is almost instantaneous using the electronic first curtain. Wonder what the response of the a7r will be.

    It is a worry if M lens behave like the nex7, as we all know the proven better performing Sony with M lens is the Nex 5n, 5r or 5t. If the nex6 has the same config as the 5 series, then, ti too will handle wide angle M glass with ease.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    You can shoot LCC as tech cam users do to elevate the color casts. Its a extra shooting step but does work very effectively.
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    The A7R, especially with that sexy battery grip, could be a dreamed R10 or a future M(360).
    Definitely a cheaper and probably a much better option for my R-glass than the current M(240).

    Let's say that for now I'm very interested.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    The 7R is looking very good right now especially when thinking of using Canon lenses we already have. As much as Sandy & I like the 1dsIII it is getting past its prime in weight (weighs a ton). Sandy just spent the past month shooting nothing but the Nex7 and liked the weight difference. Being able to hike a couple miles with a very light weight body makes all the difference. The price isn't that bad either when you consider the cost of the 1dsIII when new was about triple that of the 7R.

    As much as this looks good we're holding off just a little bit longer in order to let the dust settle and get the early bugs worked out at the same time hoping (but not holding our breath) that Canon will wake up.

    Then again every time I think of adding yet a new camera I keep hoping that the new improved Phase camera thats been promised will eventually show its face.
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    The A7R, especially with that sexy battery grip, could be a dreamed R10 or a future M(360).
    Definitely a cheaper and probably a much better option for my R-glass than the current M(240).

    Let's say that for now I'm very interested.

    All the best.

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    That's the reason I am getting the A7R: R lenses.
    If it also does M lenses well, that's gravy.
    It actually might for most of mine, maybe even for the WATE.
    Hopefully we will see reviews soon clarifying these issues.
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Hold the phone ... I changed my mind.

    I'm waiting for the Hasselblad Lunatic version with a grip hacked out of Walrus tusk and Hippo foreskin covering.

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    (On a serious note, I hope this isn't what Hasselblad meant when they said something unique is coming this Spring).
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Hold the phone ... I changed my mind.

    I'm waiting for the Hasselblad Lunatic version with a grip hacked out of Walrus tusk and Hippo foreskin covering.

    If a camera isn't $9K, it isn't worth the money.

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    (On a serious note, I hope this isn't what Hasselblad meant when they said something unique is coming this Spring).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    check first for magenta casting on certain wide angle M mount lens before sinking money into the a7r
    Yeah but worse case I can still do black and whites and I will still have my M9 soooo...
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    If I got one it would be the 7r, for the mega pixels. I don't really need it, but 24MP doesn't offer me enough over what I've got that the way the native lenses for it are shaping up, you won't be buying it for low light shooting. (DLSRs offer more fast glass) It will be interesting to see how the lenses perform. I've got to say Sony did a nice job getting it into such a small body.
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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I would go the A7r as a backup and travel cam to my Nikon or even take its place and get back to MF. It brings a interesting choice for me. I even thought the Oly doing that but this immediately took that option. I could easily switch my Leica 19mm r lens to Sony and also use a Nikon adapter to use my existing glass. It brings a interesting option that I did not count on.
    Yeah Guy, who would have thunk it ... 36 meg in the palm of your hand.

    Of course, if you think about it, it was probably inevitable ... Sony sells sensors to Nikon, waits a bit then uses that meg count to their own ends.

    I just didn't think it'd be in a camera this small ... but that was probably inevitable also ... Sony is the one that's been pushing the envelope on big performance in a small package.

    I wonder if they'll put the big sensor in an A99 type camera, or maybe the A99 SLT is the last of its kind?

    Next step, no mechanical shutter, and there you have it.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Hi There
    Well - I can see the attraction of the A7 . . . but hey, 24mp with an AA filter isn't going to be that different from 16 without . . . . and the E-M1 has IS and lots of lenses.

    So it's the A7r for me (if any - I still want confirmation about M lenses - and I'd like to know if the f4 zoom is up to scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi There
    Well - I can see the attraction of the A7 . . . but hey, 24mp with an AA filter isn't going to be that different from 16 without . . . . and the E-M1 has IS and lots of lenses.

    So it's the A7r for me (if any - I still want confirmation about M lenses - and I'd like to know if the f4 zoom is up to scratch.
    Well, we already know a M50mm works ... he used one in the video to show the 36 meg resolution.

    I re-read the Sony propaganda on the B&H site, and this a totally new sensor design with gapless on-chip sensor-lenses optimally positioned to accommodate the sharper angle of light from the periphery, thus releasing corner-to-corner performance with shorter flange distance E mount lenses. Sounds similar to how Leica solved the same issue.

    How well it handles really wide lenses will be the question ... but they are offering a 24-70, so 24mm must be okay.

    This sounds like the a7 doesn't use the same on-sensor micro-lens design as the a7r

    "Differing from the Sony Alpha a7, the Alpha a7R with its omitted low-pass filter, gapless lens design sensor and contrast-detection AF provides the utmost in high-resolution, finely detailed capture".

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Well, we already know a M50mm works ... he used one in the video to show the 36 meg resolution.

    I re-read the Sony propaganda on the B&H site, and this a totally new sensor design with gapless on-chip sensor-lenses optimally positioned to accommodate the sharper angle of light from the periphery, thus releasing corner-to-corner performance with shorter flange distance E mount lenses. Sounds similar to how Leica solved the same issue.

    How well it handles really wide lenses will be the question ... but they are offering a 24-70, so 24mm must be okay.

    This sounds like the a7 doesn't use the same on-sensor micro-lens design as the a7r

    "Differing from the Sony Alpha a7, the Alpha a7R with its omitted low-pass filter, gapless lens design sensor and contrast-detection AF provides the utmost in high-resolution, finely detailed capture".

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    HI Marc
    I agree it looks good, but the fact that the 24 zoom works doesn't really mean much - it's fairly big, and will have an exit much further from the sensor.

    Mind you, I'm not planning on this as even a backup for an M - I still love rangefinder shooting, and this ain't it!

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Well, we already know a M50mm works ... he used one in the video to show the 36 meg resolution.

    I re-read the Sony propaganda on the B&H site, and this a totally new sensor design with gapless on-chip sensor-lenses optimally positioned to accommodate the sharper angle of light from the periphery, thus releasing corner-to-corner performance with shorter flange distance E mount lenses. Sounds similar to how Leica solved the same issue.

    How well it handles really wide lenses will be the question ... but they are offering a 24-70, so 24mm must be okay.

    This sounds like the a7 doesn't use the same on-sensor micro-lens design as the a7r

    "Differing from the Sony Alpha a7, the Alpha a7R with its omitted low-pass filter, gapless lens design sensor and contrast-detection AF provides the utmost in high-resolution, finely detailed capture".

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    Marc, You may also want to check out the LA4 Sony adapter. Apparently, A mount lenses focus FASTER with it than on the A99!

    See (also Sony proxy propaganda): Field Test: Sony A7R l Brian Smith Pictures

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    Re: A7 or A7r

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    HI Marc
    I agree it looks good, but the fact that the 24 zoom works doesn't really mean much - it's fairly big, and will have an exit much further from the sensor.

    Mind you, I'm not planning on this as even a backup for an M - I still love rangefinder shooting, and this ain't it!

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    Agreed, and we have talked about this before ...a rangefinder, is a rangefinder, is a rangefinder.

    And for me, it is the M Monochrome. Done. Couldn't be happier.

    I just wouldn't mind something small to use the M lenses I already own for a few color snaps here and there ... and a $7,000 Leica M240 isn't it

    I just pre-ordered the a7r ... Now I don't have to settle for one of those APSc Leica knock-offs.

    Hope they ship it before I go on Winter vacation

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    You can shoot LCC as tech cam users do to elevate the color casts. Its a extra shooting step but does work very effectively.
    That is an useful thought.


    As long as it is landscape, few lenses and such, I can see why it might be worth the effort to build profiles but with very portable cams like the A7r and the infinite lens possibilities, it goes in to a different realm.

    Also, this still is a mid level camera from Sony (they say so in their website).

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Marc, You may also want to check out the LA4 Sony adapter. Apparently, A mount lenses focus FASTER with it than on the A99!

    See (also Sony proxy propaganda): Field Test: Sony A7R l Brian Smith Pictures
    Thanks Vivek! Appreciate it.

    That's good to know because in the video above he said it was slow but sure AF with Sony A mount lenses ... but I'll bet he was using the LA-EA3, NOT the LA-EA4 AND ... I think he was using a SAM AF lens not the SSM (Super Sonic Wave Motor) Sony G or Zeiss ZA lenses.

    My A99 AF is pretty damned fast using SSM lenses and the camera set to speed priority, so this feed back from Brian Smith is good news. Nice back-up to the A99 for event work, and presents some interesting possibilities for other applications @ 36 meg.

    Actually, my expectations from Sony seem higher than yours, but that has been based on the A900 and A99 experiences under pretty demanding conditions like weddings and events. So far so good, so we'll see how it goes with this camera.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Hi Marc, Did not mean to sound negative at all. I like the progress Sony have made and appreciate it (with my small wallet as well).

    However, there are a host of issues already- the shutter (no electronic first curtain shutter in A7r while apparently it is available in A7- it makes huge difference), start up times (apparently ~2-3 s for the A7r) and the like. I hope that such issues will be taken care of by the time the camera reaches me or via a firmware update ( Sony aren't all that great coming with FW updates). Hence the reservations despite all the excitement.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    Actually, if the lens doesn't shift or tilt, you can shoot one series of LCCs (one for each f-stop) and use them for all your shots. I've done this with the M9 for vignetting, although it is a very minor problem compared with tech cameras.

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    A7r

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    Re: A7 or A7r

    I voted A7r but - thinking about it, I'd be using it with alt lenses. Given Roger Cicala's recent blog post on adaptors and the fact that I doubt that most non modern lenses, especially when adapted can come close to actually maximising 36 megapixels, I think I'd just go for the A7. If I was using it with modern Leica or Zeiss glass and $300 adaptors it would be different but I wouldn't be.
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    A forum called "GetDPI" ... doesn't leave much to the imagination to which people will chose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I voted A7r but - thinking about it, I'd be using it with alt lenses. Given Roger Cicala's recent blog post on adaptors and the fact that I doubt that most non modern lenses, especially when adapted can come close to actually maximising 36 megapixels, I think I'd just go for the A7. If I was using it with modern Leica or Zeiss glass and $300 adaptors it would be different but I wouldn't be.
    I think a higher starting resolution would be better than having to blow up the image in post, but I guess it depends on how big you want to print, and the kinda stuff you shoot. All the A7 has over the 'r' is focus speed, which is irrelevant for your use as well, I would assume.

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    Actually, if the lens doesn't shift or tilt, you can shoot one series of LCCs (one for each f-stop) and use them for all your shots. I've done this with the M9 for vignetting, although it is a very minor problem compared with tech cameras.
    This was my first thought, Capture One is a nice solution for edge color shifts and vignetting, so long as there is no smearing. The A7r would really benefit from some native T/S lenses, but oh sh!t, putting a Canon 17/24 TS-E on there would be sweet too.

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    Wanted to get a feeler - and please state why.
    A7R, no less

    If for not other reason than to see what those sterling little M lenses are really capable of!

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    Based on this poll - I shouldn't be worried about the a7 selling out! LOL! It seems everyone (or most everyone) wants the a7r.

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    We are a bunch of gear wh***s and people to whom quality is often defined by tech lenses and MFDB's. I wouldn't be surprised. For 'normal' people I would have little doubt that the better AF coupled with more than plenty megapixels in the A7 will ensure it does not shrink into oblivion.

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    Having a D800...I want a D610 and more pocktable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark K View Post
    Having a D800...I want a D610 and more pocktable
    Don't see how the D610 is more pocketable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    We are a bunch of gear wh***s and people to whom quality is often defined by tech lenses and MFDB's. I wouldn't be surprised. For 'normal' people I would have little doubt that the better AF coupled with more than plenty megapixels in the A7 will ensure it does not shrink into oblivion.

    Oh and for a laugh: Compare camera dimensions side by side have a look at the view from the side.
    LOL we certainly are gear whores. If I had life my way I would go back to a MF tech cam or a Leica S for my big gun shooting but have something like this a A7r for event work. To me that would be a nice combo. Lately am going back to this need for BIG and I mean BIG but having something like this could replace my Nikons which are smack in the middle of nowhere big but not big enough and no the D800e is not a Leica S. Maybe same MPX but the glass is better.

    But it does bring some options to a lot of folks and to me that is good. But bolting wide angles on outside of the Sony mount just might be a big issue. I'm going to sit back and see what develops on that end.
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    Guy, everyone should petition Sony for a medium format mirrorless a-la Mamiya 7, and then it'll be a dream come true.
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