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    Re: Glad I resisted the urge to upgrade to the M240

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    more true than ever: you pay an extremely high premium for the Leica brand and limited production. this does not equate to getting the best product in the market. competition among manufacturers is wonderful for us and Leica is falling further behind. I hope all the capital they are spending on a new factory and expanded high-end retail stores doesn't sink them. I'll take the loud shutter and all the money I save....
    I am glad Leica is focusing on quality of glass and cameras, and not so much driven by trends of the market, cost reduction and mass production.
    I dont see why they should be falling behind except maybe in regard of prices.
    Without saying one is better than the other the user interface between the Leica M and other mirrorless cameras is quite different. I believe it is good to have the choice. between optical and EVF, between AF and rangefinder,between many buttons vs a more simple user interface.

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    Re: Glad I resisted the urge to upgrade to the M240

    can't argue with Leica owners! they do make great products.

    Leica does need to get their act together if they wish to continue to compete. It was silly of them to introduce the M240 without the production capacity to meet the demand of loyal M9 owners--many that wished to upgrade. Easy revenue. Camera's such as the A7r will now cause part of that segment to drift (and at a more attractive price). Opportunity lost for Leica.

    Leica glass is nice. However, most images get posted to the net now, so the benefits of wonderful glass and large sensors is really becoming more of a pixel peeper problem rather than a creative user problem. Even the A7r is major overkill for just about any practical use I can think of. But I ordered one anyway.

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    Re: Glad I resisted the urge to upgrade to the M240

    Leica should rue that they blew the M240's introduction.

    As for the A7R, I'd certainly give that a shake before the M240, at this point.

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    Re: Glad I resisted the urge to upgrade to the M240

    Quote Originally Posted by fultonpics View Post
    Leica glass is nice. However, most images get posted to the net now, so the benefits of wonderful glass and large sensors is really becoming more of a pixel peeper problem rather than a creative user problem. Even the A7r is major overkill for just about any practical use I can think of. But I ordered one anyway.
    Yeah but this is not a "Leica" problem.

    Truth be told just about anything beyond a advanced P&S or an entry level system camera coupled with good glass is overkill for the web but that's the nature of digital versus film. You can experiment and practice for less money in the long run versus film. So yes more images get posted to the web than those that get printed but glass with impeccable perform and improved body/ sensor designs will always be welcomed. Some people still print their better work afterall and then there are the pros who rely on the best equipment to make a living.
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    Re: Glad I resisted the urge to upgrade to the M240

    Quote Originally Posted by fultonpics View Post
    can't argue with Leica owners! they do make great products.

    Leica does need to get their act together if they wish to continue to compete. It was silly of them to introduce the M240 without the production capacity to meet the demand of loyal M9 owners--many that wished to upgrade. Easy revenue. Camera's such as the A7r will now cause part of that segment to drift (and at a more attractive price). Opportunity lost for Leica.

    Leica glass is nice. However, most images get posted to the net now, so the benefits of wonderful glass and large sensors is really becoming more of a pixel peeper problem rather than a creative user problem. Even the A7r is major overkill for just about any practical use I can think of. But I ordered one anyway.
    I seriously doubt anyone springing for these new high-performance cameras have the objective of displaying sub one meg, sRGB color-space images on a back-lit screen ... a screen that is more likely a cell phone, tablet or lap-top than a 27" or 30" color calibrated monitor.

    IMO, if the sensor quality is up to snuff, there's no such thing as over-kill when it comes to prints. There is good enough for certain imagery, more than enough for others, and as expansive as you may want it for yet others.

    Those that work with the big Phase One backs on a tech camera with incomparable optics aren't after a cell phone sized display of the result.

    Like them, most of my work has the ultimate objective of being printed. I may shoot hundreds of shots to get one worth printing ... but that is no different from when I shot film. I want the best I can afford going in, even if it is for that one in a thousand shot.

    I just did an outdoor family portrait session with a mix of candid and pre-planned shots ... did over 300 shots total, edited to 60 plus variations for presentation, and sold almost 15 prints from that ... including three 17" X 22"s two of which were crops ... high performance can make a difference.

    Frankly, it never ceases to amaze me what a print brings to the party after staring at a screen image while prepping it.

    There simply is no comparison.

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    Re: Glad I resisted the urge to upgrade to the M240

    Quote Originally Posted by fultonpics View Post
    Even the A7r is major overkill for just about any practical use I can think of.
    Since when has the creation of an artwork been practical?

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