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    Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    This is very convincing and done with a very easy to use wide M lens.

    Ultra Wide Angle M-Mount Lenses THAT WORK On Sony A7R
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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Lou,

    Thanks. I agree this is very encouraging.
    Hopefully this first impression gets confirmed soon through careful testing.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    I think there are a lot of good lenses fitting A7/A7r. Not only one/two/three.
    Especially ALL lenses from 24x36 film cameras.

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    I think there are a lot of good lenses fitting A7/A7r. Not only one/two/three.
    Especially ALL lenses from 24x36 film cameras.

    Some people believe they invented "The Wheel"
    There goes all my dreams!

    Here I am, sitting on a few tens of thusands of lenses to make use of them on a FF body. Not going to be unque anymore.

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    New all wheel drive lenses are R (for radial) lenses -- at last they will all (I hope) be useful again!!!

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Paul, They have all been (being) used on Canon and Nikon bodies.

    You should take a look at the Nikon section for a thread on R lenses on D800 with some surprising results.

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    We have no morals we will use any lens name brand on our Nikons and Canon. Where shameless. Lol
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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Yes - glass is ALL that matters. Cameras come and go and ultimately seem to just get better. The glass however is the universal standard and the best simply endures, whoever it comes from (although Leica, Zeiss, Schneider and Rodenstock have definitely continued to corner this market)
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    The new a7 eye af is pretty impressive. I haven't had a camera with one before.


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    i shot it, and it's noisy. otherwise very nice. still have order in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fultonpics View Post
    i shot it, and it's noisy. otherwise very nice. still have order in.
    Against what camera that you normally use do you consider it noisy? Did you test it in quiet or noisy conditions? Thanks.

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    too bad i sold the WATE. I wonder how 24mm lux do. that's the only wide i have left

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    Might as well wait at this time. Heck maybe the 24-70 FE lens might be good even though I know past lens quality has not been up there, but you will have AF, Eye AF etc.
    Last edited by algrove; 5th November 2013 at 11:33.

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    We need some examples from early adopters in Europe and/or Asia in less than two weeks.

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    I wish they had the 24-70 available on release with body. Perfect PR cam for me
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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post


    We need some examples from early adopters in Europe and/or Asia in less than two weeks.
    Send me one of your WATE and I will be happy to oblige.

    (failing which, it is all going to be super cheap Minolta and other similarly priced lenses!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    ....(failing which, it is all going to be super cheap Minolta and other similarly priced lenses!)
    Same here. I'm giving my MD and Maxxum lenses a try before I spend any more. And I've got a C/Y 50 that I'm looking forward to trying. So many choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Send me one of your WATE and I will be happy to oblige.

    (failing which, it is all going to be super cheap Minolta and other similarly priced lenses!)
    No problem except for the delivery in NL is going to be two or three weeks before we see them. Plus I have no idea if I will see one in the first batch.

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    I might pick up a WATE if a cheaper solution isn't found. I am hpoing that I can do without the WATE though. Yesterday, I was looking at the pdf (Leica tech details). That mustache distortion everywhere is nothing to be happy about ( I love to shoot brick walls. They are everywhere. I can not avoid them. ). While I understand the size attraction, I can't understand the price nor the craze behind this lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I might pick up a WATE if a cheaper solution isn't found. I am hpoing that I can do without the WATE though. Yesterday, I was looking at the pdf (Leica tech details). That mustache distortion everywhere is nothing to be happy about ( I love to shoot brick walls. They are everywhere. I can not avoid them. ). While I understand the size attraction, I can't understand the price nor the craze behind this lens.
    CS6 corrects the geometric distortion though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    CS6 corrects the geometric distortion though!
    I did not know any software that would correct mustache distortion automatically. Have you tried it, K-H?
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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    CS6 has profiles for a great number of lenses. I use it mostly to correct mustache distortion for the elmarit r 19. Unfortunately, the WATE is not profiled, at least on my version
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    There is a WATE profile in my version of ACR.
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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    My freshly downloaded version of Lightroom (Version 5.2 with Camera Raw 8.2) also lists the WATE.

    But, I don't own a WATE (yet)

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    PT lens correction may have it also. I had the developer build the Leica 19r lens correction for me. Works great too. He can build for any lens also
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I did not know any software that would correct mustache distortion automatically. Have you tried it, K-H?
    PTlens seems to be very good at it.

    One mouseclick!

    Oh sorry I did not read Guy's post.

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Maybe Im crazy but I had a thought here. Get the A7r body buy the NEWLY released Sigma 24-105 F4 art series lens ( if anything like the 35 1.4 its killer) and buy it in the Sony A mount use with adapter than it can be converted for free when the new FE mount is made for it. Worst case at 900 dollars even if you could not convert over the the FE you could sell it. To me this gets rid of the waiting time at a good cost factor to get a decent zoom for it. Im entertaining this one a lot.

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Maybe Im crazy but I had a thought here. Get the A7r body buy the NEWLY released Sigma 24-105 F4 art series lens ( if anything like the 35 1.4 its killer) and buy it in the Sony A mount use with adapter than it can be converted for free when the new FE mount is made for it. Worst case at 900 dollars even if you could not convert over the the FE you could sell it. To me this gets rid of the waiting time at a good cost factor to get a decent zoom for it. Im entertaining this one a lot.

    Sigma 24-105mm F/4 DG OS HSM Lens for Sony DSLR Cameras 635-205
    That's what I thought as well but then for Sony they are still only for preorder and that could take as long as the Zeiss 24-70.
    The reach is interesting but with the adapter it will become a big apparatus all together again.

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    But when/if they come out with an FE version, it could give the 24-70 some stiff competition with more reach for perhaps less money.

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    I would think non-Sony lenses will miss out on some in-camera processing, similar to non-Olympus lenses on the E-M1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    But when/if they come out with an FE version, it could give the 24-70 some stiff competition with more reach for perhaps less money.
    Exactly what i am thinking and you get the remount for free in there new program than sell off the adapter
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    What we really need is a range of SLR-to-E-mount adapters with a solid rotating collar and integrated Arca plate. Novoflex' current offering is too flimsy and fiddly, IMO. Anyone care to make one?

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    The Metabones adapters that I have just received are solid and include an Arca QR plate built into the adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    The Metabones adapters that I have just received are solid and include an Arca QR plate built into the adapter.
    But they don't feature a rotating collar. AFAIK, none do, except those by Novoflex (with their add-on collar).

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    I have some Metabones adapters, some of which arrived faulty.
    On a Nikon G to NEX E adapter the aperture control ring cannot be turned.
    On a Nikon G to MFT adapter the aperture control ring is too lose.

    In contrast the Novoflex adapter and separate collar are solidly engineered, as expected.
    I use them on tripod without any issues. For freehand use I remove the collar.
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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Agree with Karl-Heinz on the qiality of the Novoflex adapters and tripod collar. After using several cheap adapters (for nikon, Leica M & R, Olympus OM and Pen F) without any problems on Nex 5N and 6, I recently bought (mainly used) Novoflex adapters principally b/c of the tripod collars - for my work these are the way to go.

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    I am a bit upset by Novoflex right now. I bought one of the first coded R-M adapters with white paint strip for #3 Leica 6 bit code position. Soon after I got mine, which was 1 or 2 weeks, they started coding the adapters with drilled & painted holes for the 6 bit coding.

    My camera will not now recognize the painted adapter which is about 4 weeks old now and used three times. I asked my dealer to see if they could appeal to Novoflex to change out mine for the drilled variety. They said no way and did not even offer to drill mine out as a courtesy. They said buy another one. I am a little surprised by their reaction.

    Maybe I was asking too much, but the painted one does not work. I already had a non-coded one, but bought the coded one because I wanted the EXIF data to indicate which R lens I was using. I refuse to buy 3 adapters in order to get one to work.

    MR on LuLa said he used the Metabones and I have one. They are very solid and appear to be well made. It is just a simple L/R-E mount one. Since many of my R lenses have their own tripod mount and they rotate on their own, I really do not mind that the mount does not rotate. I have a Leica STA-1 which I use on R lenses that do not rotate so I can appreciate what you guys are saying about the need for Novoflex collars.

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    IMO, Novoflex should be appreciative of the mirrorless scene (a great boon to them) and act accordingly. The ones from China and HK are no less inferior. Many of them use the same precision tools, CAD CAM used in Germany or Japan.

    Add to this mix, someone creative like Hawk that others (including Voigtlander and Novoflex) tend to emulate, much much later.

    I think creativity, service and quality should be rewarded.

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    One Chinese brand should be avoided: Fotga
    I bought a PK to NEX adapter from them and it is impossible to mount it on the camera

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    My experience has been that even an APO-Telyt-M 135 is pretty much untenable on an NEX-body while using the camera's tripod mount. With SLR-lenses, the problem is even more pronounced, since the bulk of the mass is far away from the E-mount.

    While I have to confess that I don't own Novoflex adapters or their tripod collar, the latter product's slim size (it has to fit their M-to-E-mount adapter, after all), and the fact that the foot protrudes quite far from the lens make me seriously doubt its stability.

    To those of who own the Novoflex ASTAT-NEX: what has your experience been when using this collar with all but the lightes SLR lenses (e.g. with a Makro-Planar 2/50 or larger/heavier lenses)? Are such combos really stable when using shutter speeds in the critical 1/50 to 2 sec range?

    My experience with the D800E shows that even a very solid tripod mount can be compromised by the slightest flaw in the additional camera support components (i.e. tripod head and tripod). For example, I have found that the seemingly very sturdy Arca d4 head is inadequate for my longer lenses, even if a very sturdy built-in lens collar is present (e.g. Leica-R telephoto lenses).

    With the A7R, it is therefore critical that we have very solid lens support options available if we are to reap the resolution advantage that the 36MP sensor offers over the 24MP sensor of the A7. I suspect this to be of particular importance due to the light weight of the camera and the lack of an electronic 1st shutter curtain.

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Ron, The tripod mount in a NEX (any NEX) is total garbage. It is not bolted to any chassis (none are present!) and so is the lens mount (plastic bayonet teeth).

    The A7/7R construction appear to be better (I am still not sure about them though) but do not come close to even the "low end" of Nikon cameras.

    I would definitely avoid hanging any heavy lenses and I would certainly not mount any heavy set up on a tripod. These cameras have severe limits when it comes to these. Sad but true.

    This is why I wonder about the Novoflex prices. All those HK/China made adapters are all metal and much better made (in general) than the NEX cameras themselves!

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    ...I would definitely avoid hanging any heavy lenses and I would certainly not mount any heavy set up on a tripod. These cameras have severe limits when it comes to these. Sad but true...
    That's exactly my point! To solve this problem, I think we need lens adapters with sturdy built-in rotating collars. I'm convinced there will be a market for that...

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Good point. However, what I am pointing out is that the E mount is susceptible being worn out being plastic. One ought to be mindful of that.

    (It is a pity the Apo Telyt 135 does not come with a built in tripod collar like the 135/4.5 Hektor.)

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    I agree - it's a heavy lens for its size.

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Good point. However, what I am pointing out is that the E mount is susceptible being worn out being plastic. One ought to be mindful of that.

    (It is a pity the Apo Telyt 135 does not come with a built in tripod collar like the 135/4.5 Hektor.)
    And like the 135/4.0 Elmar.

    The best way to use R telephotos which have their own tripod mount is to put a QR plate on them and then you can use the built in swivel to rotate the lens and attached camera.

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    IMO, Novoflex should be appreciative of the mirrorless scene (a great boon to them) and act accordingly. The ones from China and HK are no less inferior. Many of them use the same precision tools, CAD CAM used in Germany or Japan.

    Add to this mix, someone creative like Hawk that others (including Voigtlander and Novoflex) tend to emulate, much much later.

    I think creativity, service and quality should be rewarded.

    Well, I don't seem to be the only one who encounters problems with Metabones adapters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    The best way to use R telephotos which have their own tripod mount is to put a QR plate on them and then you can use the built in swivel to rotate the lens and attached camera.
    I agree completely. But there is a significant number of rather heavy SLR lenses (I'm looking at you, Leica and Zeiss) that don't offer a tripod collar. The stability of these lenses is generally not a problem when attached to a tripod-mounted DSLR (due to the sturdy tripod mounts of these cameras). With most mirrorless cameras, the situation is quite different, as Vivek pointed out. We need a good solution for that...

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    I had a similar problem to mount my E-M5 with a Nikkor 80-200/2.8 on tripod.
    I found the solution with a Quick Release Lens Collar from Kirk Entreprises :

    Kirk Enterprises : Quick Release Lens Collars

    I see only a few solutions for Nikkor, but who knows, if they have demand, they might consider other lens brands ...

    (not related to Kirk in any way !)

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

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    Well, I don't seem to be the only one who encounters problems with Metabones adapters.

    Need you Sherlocks to figure out Metabones / ZE 21mm mystery - FM Forums
    K-H, I am not pitching for Metabones* or anyone in particular, to be clear. What I would like to point out is that over priced adapters are a waste on the E mount (for the reasons already explained) and to Lou's (algrove)post on his experience with Noflex.

    Anyone can put 2 and 2 together, I suppose.

    *I have exactly 2 adapters from them. A Speed Booster and a Contax G adapter that came with a 90/2.8 Sonnar. Both work fantastically well and are far better made than the cameras that are mounted on. I will say the same thing about a (no name) E to MD adapter I bought recently for a whopping 9 Euros (shipped).

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    Re: Why I am Impressed with the Sony A7R

    Vivek,

    I am glad the cheap stuff works for you as I don't seem to be quite so lucky.
    The Metabones R to E SpeedBooster I have also has developed problems with its mount.
    One can easily turn it 360 degrees in the E flange. Poor quality I would say.
    With best regards, K-H.

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