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    Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    A week in and I only have a three letter acronym ... OMG!!!

    I shoot a lot of high end gear but recently I had the opportunty to get an RX1-R and all the accessories at an embarrasingly low price. All I can say after only a week is that I'm shocked, literally shocked, at the quality. I have the full Fuji combos including my previously favourite X100s but I have to say that the Sony has seriously put even that camera in it's place.

    I didn't quite understand the fanboy enthusiasm for the Sony RX1 until now. Consider me smitten

    Pics to follow ...
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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    I understand completely. I have the regular RX1 and it is liberating to be able to carry such a small camera and not feel like you are giving up much IQ.

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    I won't say I told you so because gloating is just not part of my nature.

    It is just like a miniature Alpa TC with a fixed lens and AF.
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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Better late to the party than never

    I agree about the TC comment but with the advantage of high ISO support and super colour and almost flawless exposure metering.
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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    +1 from me. It has really great IQ. If the A7R ends up as an RX1 with great interchangeable lenses, 36mp and a built-in EVF I will be a pig in poo. But I have my fears...

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    It is just like a miniature Alpa TC with a fixed lens and AF.
    I feel this way about the DP2 Merrill as well. They both deliver similar high levels of IQ. The Sony is more capable of higher ISOs.

    On a side note, no one that I have seen has mentioned the effect of the A7/r on the price of the RX1.
    I suspect it might get pushed down a bit.

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    But the A7s do not have that 35mm f/2 lens. And that lens is made for that sensor--you could not take that design and fit it on a A7. So, yes, great sensor. But that is just half the equation.

    Personally, I have no great interest in an A7 mostly because it is going the wrong way--I want a small camera.

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    I myself am VERY interested - felt that it was WAAAY overpriced when it was introduced but it was (and still is) a REVOLUTIONARY product and the first of its kind so the premium price is justifiable. With a little patience though, the used market price for the RX1 should free-fall once the A7/7r (even Nikon DF) hits the market........(I've seen them hit below $2000 mark now). $1500 or lower and I will snag one.

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    But the A7s do not have that 35mm f/2 lens. And that lens is made for that sensor--you could not take that design and fit it on a A7. So, yes, great sensor. But that is just half the equation.

    Personally, I have no great interest in an A7 mostly because it is going the wrong way--I want a small camera.
    Yes, I totally understand and agree. The DP 's also have "matched" lenses I believe. For some of us this is best way to access to great IQ. There is some obvious limitation but you learn to work with it.

    Like "roanjoh" I am watching the RX1 prices also.

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    I'm entering the ring, too. Having used an M8 and then M9 for the past 6-plus years, I have ordered an RX1-R. I view it as experimentation and don't plan on retaining both RX1-R and M9. I normally shoot with a 35mm lens, so I'm not overly concerned with the fixed lens on the Sony. I was actually expecting that Sony would release a RX2 this year, with improved auto focus and built-in viewfinder. But that's clearly a year off--and I'm not at all interested in the A7. Anyway, I look forward to this experiment and plan to stick with either the RX1-R or M9.

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    I'm enjoying mine as well - take it *everywhere* , as a matter of fact I was in the market for a new small backpack for travel and went with the next size up to make sure I could bring the Rx1R along....

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    The RX-1 is liberating camera for street for myself. I can take metro photos and the people 4-5 feet away do not even know I am taking their image. Viva leaf shutters!

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    The RX-1 is liberating camera for street for myself. I can take metro photos and the people 4-5 feet away do not even know I am taking their image. Viva leaf shutters!
    How do you do that?

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    I see even RX1rs come down to near 2000 dollar levels. this is insane. Sony cameras are awesome but does not retain retail value (nothing does, but this is especially fast drop). Might pick one up. I never thought this day would come but I'm thinking about selling my M9p to get either a Rx1R or even A7r... I don't know

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Graham:

    what you need

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    feel free to pass it on at an "embarrassingly low" price

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    I see even RX1rs come down to near 2000 dollar levels. this is insane.
    In Europe, they are still very very expensive. At $2000, they will sell like hot cakes here but Sony do not want to do that.

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Really? I get to be the first to use this?


    And not that I doubt you, Graham, but what cameras exactly haven't you liked?

    But on a more serious note. I'm finding these days that I use a camera if I *like* the files it produces. If it feels like fighting in post, I don't take that camera out as quickly next time. (It's a hobby - it's supposed to be fun.) It sounds like you like this camera, in addition to being impressed by it.

    --Matt (who, for some reason, never uses a 35mm lens on FF.. now if they had a 28mm version....)

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post

    And not that I doubt you, Graham, but what cameras exactly haven't you liked?

    But on a more serious note. I'm finding these days that I use a camera if I *like* the files it produces. If it feels like fighting in post, I don't take that camera out as quickly next time. (It's a hobby - it's supposed to be fun.) It sounds like you like this camera, in addition to being impressed by it.

    --Matt (who, for some reason, never uses a 35mm lens on FF.. now if they had a 28mm version....)
    I'm not a big fan of my Nikon d600/d800 - really not excited by either. Hated my Panasonic m4/3 cameras. Actually, that's all of the m4/3rds actually.

    I found it best only to buy what I like using.

    I agree entirely about the post processing comment - if it's too much work to get what I want then it's not a good fit. That's probably why I'm not a Nikon fan that much these days with the d800 vs MF.
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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    I was hoping for an RX2 with a 50mm lens, but now I'm less hopeful : the A7 might have nipped that idea in the bud.
    I expect RX1 sales to nose-dive right now too : not because there's something better, but just because there's something ELSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    I see even RX1rs come down to near 2000 dollar levels. this is insane. Sony cameras are awesome but does not retain retail value (nothing does, but this is especially fast drop). Might pick one up. I never thought this day would come but I'm thinking about selling my M9p to get either a Rx1R or even A7r... I don't know
    Ack!!!

    Where did you see RX1Rs for close to $2000?!?!?!?!?!?

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    any concise description of the difference b/w rx1 and rx1-r?

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    any concise description of the difference b/w rx1 and rx1-r?
    RX-1 has an AA (low pass) filter, but not a strong one. The RX-1r has no AA filter. Everything else is the same.

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    I think the Rx1R is over rated. 99% the same with RX1. which is at least 700 bucks cheaper on second hand market

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    i saw them both for around 2800 at internet brick and mortar, made me wonder

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    I think the Rx1R is over rated. 99% the same with RX1. which is at least 700 bucks cheaper on second hand market
    TBH I'd have bought either. I agree that any differences are pretty minor, especially if you are shooting handheld.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    I think the Rx1R is over rated. 99% the same with RX1. which is at least 700 bucks cheaper on second hand market
    They cost the same new, at least in the States, so I'm not sure what your point is.

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    I think the point is that rx1 used is a lot cheaper than a rx1r, new or used.
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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    There is now sufficient evidence in my mind that a camera and lens that were designed to work together offer synergistic benefits to the user. That is IMHO the case with Fuji X-100(s), RX-I(r), Sigma DP 1, 2, 3.
    Even to a large extent, Zeiss Touit 12 and 32 with NEX, and if early images are anything to go by, Zeiss FE 35 and 55 with Sony A7(R)

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    TBH I'd have bought either. I agree that any differences are pretty minor, especially if you are shooting handheld.
    I agree 100% - I would have bought either, but in my case only the RX1r had a 10% EDU discount through Sony, so I took the nearly $300 off and went with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I think the point is that rx1 used is a lot cheaper than a rx1r, new or used.
    Hmmm ... but the new prices seems to be the exact same in the States. Anyway, not a big deal; I was just hoping to make sense of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCT View Post
    I agree 100% - I would have bought either, but in my case only the RX1r had a 10% EDU discount through Sony, so I took the nearly $300 off and went with it.
    I just bought the R version, but I doubt I'd be easily able to note the difference in resulting images.

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Anybody has both the RX-1/RX1r and a Sigma DP Merrill ?

    I have all 3 small Merrills and love them - for daylight shooting, and I really think they are better than the Sony RX1 - in daylight, I like the colors and the clarity much more, and I do not miss my Nikon D3x anymore.

    But - and that is my point - I have never seen so beautifull color rendering at night/dark than with the Sony RX1/r, and I am very tempted.

    Anybody ? - because I have only seen the Sony RX-shots at the net.

    Thanks

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Pre-dawn colours don't suck ...

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Graham, this looks very familiar. Is this in the Escalante/Southern Utah area?

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Zabriske Point, Death Valley.

    I was shooting large format there this week and this was a snapshot with the Sony.

    Btw, what's the big deal about large format?

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Pre-dawn colours don't suck ...
    Agree, beautifull, but I still see the low light/night shots as something special from the Sony RX - it has a certain touch, as I see it ?

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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    I'm just still blown away by the colours and clarity of the zeiss 35/2. The shots above were at f/2 and the following f/11:

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    Heck love to drive up and test the A7r with you. Looks nice
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    Re: Recent convert to RX1-R - now I get it.

    Very beautifull shot, but generel I still like the Sigma Merrill better in daylight. Here in your shot you also have some darkness, and when I look at the night shots from this camera, where there of course are some darkness, but more "around" (sorry perhaps not fine English), it has this touch, it really makes the special colors "pop" in a certain way, as I see it, and that could make me buy it alone for this.

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