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    Lightroom 'Test Mule' on the nMP - MacRumors Forums

    This seems to be an interesting benchmark test for images.
    My 5-year old MacBook Pro with a new 1TB Crucial SSD is just too slow in comparison.
    So, I ordered a fully loaded 6-core nMP from Apple.
    It's supposed to arrive in March.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsjanik View Post
    I'm trying to resist any interest in the Sony; I suppose that I'm reading and responding to this thread is a bad sign .
    I thought I'd mention that I've used the Sunwayfoto very effectively to stabilize a 600mm lens; I did modify it a bit and will add the Manfrotto (mounted on the portrait plate) if I need shutter speeds around 1/15s. Pretty much rock solid, but makes changing camera position much more complex. One more comment: I do keep my hands and body weight pressed against the camera, a technique I was forced to learn with the Pentax 67.

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    _IGP1179 by tsjanik47, on Flickr
    I'm almost there, Tom.
    Very pleased with the Sunwayfoto products so far. Thanks for the heads-up and this picture of your rig
    Only need (yet) another QR-plate for the lens and a double QR-clamp to attach to the long rail and I'm good to go

    For those interested in Sunwayfoto's the "Custom L bracket for Sony α7 PSL-α7" a note of warning though, as this is what a UK dealer sent me today:
    Unfortunately, Sunwayfoto's new PSL-α7 has had to be re-designed. It has a flaw in where mouting on a horizontal axis causes slipping.

    We hope to have their updated re-design shortly, but please do not buy this from anywhere as you will receive one that does not work properly!
    All the very best.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    off topic question:

    I saw mention of Sunway Photo and thought someone on this thread might have experience ... I'm interested in the Arca-Swiss Monoball P0 tripod head but need to integrate it with my existing standard Arca-Swiss type camera and lens plates. I see Sunway Photo makes a clamp specifically for the P0:

    Sunway DDY-64i QR clamp

    I was wondering if anyone here had tried this clamp. My heaviest/longest lenses are the Leica Elmarit-R 180mm f/2.8 (3lbs or so) and the Olympus ZD 50-200/2.8-3.5 + EC-14 (560mm EFoV) ... I am a little concerned that the short length of the clamping area might prove too little for lenses this heavy.

    Thanks ... sorry for the digression. :-)

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    Godfrey the PO is a nice head but going on Vertical with any weight and bulk it may come up short. Now with clamp included I have the Z2 but the Z1 would hold a elephant on a vertical and just rated higher. It seems like some money and bulk but a great head you just can't go wrong. Heck you could even go with lighter legs but I have seen too many heads with lens sag as they are just not strong enough. This one will not sag

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    Coming from MF and tech cams this head never ever let me down. I have the DP version for double pan but the single is just as good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Godfrey the PO is a nice head but going on Vertical with any weight and bulk it may come up short. Now with clamp included I have the Z2 but the Z1 would hold a elephant on a vertical and just rated higher. It seems like some money and bulk but a great head you just can't go wrong. Heck you could even go with lighter legs but I have seen too many heads with lens sag as they are just not strong enough. This one will not sag

    Amazon.com: Arca-Swiss Monoball Z1 Single Pan Ballhead with Quick Release: Camera & Photo

    Coming from MF and tech cams this head never ever let me down. I have the DP version for double pan but the single is just as good.
    Thanks!

    Looks to be a great head, but is definitely way more than I need. MOST of my gear is way under anything that would require such a head, and even of my two "heavy" lenses, the ZD 50-200 has its own foot to enable portrait or landscape orientation without moving the head to a side position, and the Hasselblad's square format of course eliminates the need for rotation. Only the big Leica R 180 (which does have a tripod mounting) could use a solution for 90° rotation, and that's not a big deal—I use it infrequently and doubt I'd miss it.

    I'm very tempted to just get one and see how it works out. ...

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    It's one of those better to be big things if you know what I mean. It's returnable too if you go amazon or B&H
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    Josh Lehrer from the Leica Store Miami just informed that he will ship my Leica R Adapter M tomorrow. I had ordered the item only earlier this month.
    I will use it with Novoflex M to E and M to MFT adapters on my Sony and Olympus cameras, including A7R and E-M1. And maybe on a future M360?

    It seems to me that the availability of the Sony A7/R has taken the pressure of availability issues for Leica gear.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Godfrey

    My 280/2.8 weighs 6 lbs which is a lot for any lens.

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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Josh Lehrer from the Leica Store Miami just informed that he will ship my Leica R Adapter M tomorrow. I had ordered the item only earlier this month.
    I will use it with Novoflex M to E and M to MFT adapters on my Sony and Olympus cameras, including A7R and E-M1. And maybe on a future M360?

    It seems to me that the availability of the Sony A7/R has taken the pressure of availability issues for Leica gear.
    Congrats K-H.

    Also could be that since most of us waited for over a year for this simple adapter, we decided to buy the Novoflex especially after they started offering it with 6 bit coding.

    I received mine for Christmas over 15 months after using it at Photokina and I ordered it the same day I first saw it, 18 September 2012.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Thanks!

    Looks to be a great head, but is definitely way more than I need. MOST of my gear is way under anything that would require such a head, and even of my two "heavy" lenses, the ZD 50-200 has its own foot to enable portrait or landscape orientation without moving the head to a side position, and the Hasselblad's square format of course eliminates the need for rotation. Only the big Leica R 180 (which does have a tripod mounting) could use a solution for 90° rotation, and that's not a big deal—I use it infrequently and doubt I'd miss it.

    I'm very tempted to just get one and see how it works out. ...

    G
    Godfrey:

    I agree with Guy. If you look at the image Bart posted just above, it shows a Z1 holding a 12 lb. lens. I bought the head originally to use with a Pentax 67 and a 500mm, after having had some trouble with other heads. The Z1 can be adjusted so that it is easy to reposition the camera with no danger of flop or creep, even with a system as heavy as that pictured. Great head and fairly light. Were I to change anything, I would get the screw clamp rather than the flip lock. it might be overkill for your system, but it will be useful for anything you might use in the future.

    Tom
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    With best regards, K-H.

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    1928 Ford



    A7R + FE 35/2.8
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    A7r/Elmarit-R 28mm

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    That is one legendary bike!
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    Our blooming backyard.
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    Preventing the birds from crashing at full speed into the glass door.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    My FE 35/2.8 looks pretty sharp to me on the A7R.



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    With best regards, K-H.
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    This is a shot with the D800E and AF-S 80-400 mm II.
    I wish that such an AF lens becomes available for the A7R.

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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    My FE 35/2.8 looks pretty sharp to me on the A7R.



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    That's a nice shot. Good light. Very sharp across the frame. How did you focus this? Did you use magnification on one or more areas? I'm assuming a tripod? Anyway, well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    That's a nice shot. Good light. Very sharp across the frame. How did you focus this? Did you use magnification on one or more areas? I'm assuming a tripod? Anyway, well done.

    Regards,
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    Thanks John. The exif data should be still in the images.
    This was indeed shot from a tripod, I believe at f/5.6 with AF-S in the center.
    For a manual lens I would have used magnification with focus on the house in the middle.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    My FE 35/2.8 looks pretty sharp to me on the A7R.



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    Views from the house to the right in the above image ...









    ... showing the Rio Grande.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Oh no, there is a cloud over the Rio Grande!

    I like the color of the reflection in the river of the yellowish cloud.


    Here, the colors are lost but image structures gained. I love lots of details and contrasty, really black and white areas in B&W images, very graphical in their appearance.


    A7R + FE 35/2.8
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    I actually like the B&W the best, but that's just me. I will be out your way week after next for 14 days.
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    It snowed overnight. Our backyard this morning.


    A7R+WATE
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    OOC JPG of Sony A7R + Leica Vario-Elmar-R 105-280/4.2, reduced in size, but Adobe RGB (1998) instead of sRGB.
    Attachment 85813

    Same image but developed from .ARW with Geometric Correction and Auto Contrast.
    Attachment 85812
    As PS CS6 doesn't have a Geometric Correction for the Vario-Elmar-R 105-280/4.2 I chose the one for the APO-R 280/4.

    Questions:


    Would it be better not to use that correction?
    Also which image looks better to you?
    The OOC JPG or the more contrasty one?

    TIA.

    PS: Please click on an image to get a larger view. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    It snowed overnight. Our backyard this morning.


    A7R+WATE
    How could I have missed this wonderful image, K-H !

    Kind regards.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    OOC JPG of Sony A7R + Leica Vario-Elmar-R 105-280/4.2, reduced in size, but Adobe RGB (1998) instead of sRGB.
    Attachment 85813

    Same image but developed from .ARW with Geometric Correction and Auto Contrast.
    Attachment 85812
    As PS CS6 doesn't have a Geometric Correction for the Vario-Elmar-R 105-280/4.2 I chose the one for the APO-R 280/4.

    Questions:


    Would it be better not to use that correction?
    Also which image looks better to you?
    The OOC JPG or the more contrasty one?

    TIA.
    I'm afraid these images are too small to make much of it.
    Can't you provide larger versions, K-H ?

    All the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    I'm afraid these images are too small to make much of it.
    Can't you provide larger versions, K-H ?

    All the best.

    Thanks Bart. Did you click on them?
    Then you get larger images and you can flip back and forth between the two.
    Please, let me know if that works for you.
    Otherwise I will post larger images elsewhere and point to them.
    Thanks again.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    If you click on the images you get a larger version, and by clicking "next" you get an immediate switch between the one and the other.

    For me the second one has nicer colours and more "pop/punch". But a slight PP on the first can probably achieve the same effect. Nothing earth shattering.

    Obviously it's hard to judge the geometric correction, but my feeling is that the first seems better than the second. It looks more natural, but I haven't been there and also the difference is so small that it is very hard (impossible for me) to say which one is closer to reality. If you just switch from one image to the other with a few second pause in between I am hard pressed to see a difference at all.

    Probably not much help, but anyway I did take a look and this is what I saw.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Thanks Bart. Did you click on them?
    Then you get larger images and you can flip back and forth between the two.
    Please, let me know if that works for you.
    Otherwise I will post larger images elsewhere and point to them.
    Thanks again.
    The second one for me, K-H. This is based on viewing via a Quato proof monitor that is quite good with the darker shades. However, if viewed on ipad sort of thingies, it is the first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Would it be better not to use that correction?
    I don't see why correction would be needed in this photo, and in any case geometric correction for one lens is unlikely to be appropriate for another.
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    Wow I see this thread was revived... All the shutter shock talk in the past seems like such a distant memory for those that chose to stay with the A7R. One lesson learned since that time (or a workaround if you will) is to make sure the adapter isn't shoddy if you choose to adapt and to keep shutter speed up when able. This is a 100% crop from a manually focused photo I took handheld out the back of a jeep last summer with the Zeiss Contax/Yashica 180/2.8 Sonnar.

    Not too bad in sharpness IMO for an older lens but I'm sure the newest nano-coated lenses could resolve much more.

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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    So I guess given the title of this thread most of us kept our A7r figured out workarounds but given something is looming to be announced and if it makes real good buying sense than my A7r will be in the block. But that's not a negative as I have done some great work with it and it has served me extremely well. But for me camera bodies are disposable until something new and better comes along. But I have zero regrets and truth be told since I switched from Nikon this A7r has been the longest lasting Sony product I have.
    That says something for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    So I guess given the title of this thread most of us kept our A7r figured out workarounds but given something is looming to be announced and if it makes real good buying sense than my A7r will be in the block. But that's not a negative as I have done some great work with it and it has served me extremely well. But for me camera bodies are disposable until something new and better comes along. But I have zero regrets and truth be told since I switched from Nikon this A7r has been the longest lasting Sony product I have.
    That says something for sure.
    My A7R gets back next week. I had it converted to Full Spectrum by LifePixel because it's already in my mind that I will buy whatever high megapixel camera Sony releases next. The good thing is that if I don't like what they release (unlikely I assume) then I can still put a filter on my lenses and shoot as normal. If I do like what they're releasing then I will have a IR capable camera I won't get the urge to replace anytime soon as the A7R is just a great camera that "requires" a few workarounds to get all of the performance it's capable of.
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    I didn't keep my A7 after purchasing my A7r and I was so impressed with both I just had to try get the A7s, as well.

    I'm hoping the forthcoming 90/2.8 will be a good lens.

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    Ho Hum
    Well, I think this thread was a response to something I posted a year or so ago - I don't regret getting rid of my A7r (it didn't suit my hand holding technique). But my A7ii isn't going anywhere (and I rather regret the loss of my A7s) - A higher MP body with IBIS and an electronic shutter would be a no-brainer for me.

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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Ho Hum
    Well, I think this thread was a response to something I posted a year or so ago - I don't regret getting rid of my A7r (it didn't suit my hand holding technique). But my A7ii isn't going anywhere (and I rather regret the loss of my A7s) - A higher MP body with IBIS and an electronic shutter would be a no-brainer for me.
    Well, the title of this thread "A7r - and why I'm keeping it ..." still holds for me.
    The A7R still has the same shutter shock issues but I simply avoid those situations.
    As many here I am waiting for the A7R II with improved shutter, IBIS, and more resolution.
    In any case, I will keep the A7R as a historic record of achievement.
    Also, it makes sense for my situation to shoot with multiple cameras without much changing of lenses in the field.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    My A7R gets back next week. I had it converted to Full Spectrum by LifePixel because it's already in my mind that I will buy whatever high megapixel camera Sony releases next. The good thing is that if I don't like what they release (unlikely I assume) then I can still put a filter on my lenses and shoot as normal. If I do like what they're releasing then I will have a IR capable camera I won't get the urge to replace anytime soon as the A7R is just a great camera that "requires" a few workarounds to get all of the performance it's capable of.
    I don't know much about Full Spectrum by LifePixel or IR photography but I am willing to try it out and learn in the process. So, I am grateful for any advice and sharing of your experiences. TIA.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    I tend to keep the gear that I like whether it is a lens or a camera and would not sell it at all if it is useful.

    There is no question that the A7r is a spectacular camera. No one has to listen to that statement, just move over to the fun with the thread and look at what Werner, Michiel, Barry and a whole bunch of talented people are showing, day in and day out.

    The A7r stays.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    I don't know much about Full Spectrum by LifePixel or IR photography but I am willing to try it out and learn in the process. So, I am grateful for any advice and sharing of your experiences. TIA.
    It's my first romp at using a handheld FS camera myself so there will be lots of trial and error (read: learning) for me as well.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    It's my first romp at using a handheld FS camera myself so there will be lots of trial and error (read: learning) for me as well.

    Thanks. Great!
    Which filter do you put on your lenses and shoot as normal? TIA.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    UV/IR filters will allow you to shoot normal. 550-690nm will allow NIR and some visible light to pass. 720nm+ is more the traditional IR. 830nm+ is more the deep black & white IR. Pretty much everything below 400nm down to 220nm or so is UV(A-C.)

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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

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    OOC JPG of Sony A7R + Leica Vario-Elmar-R 105-280/4.2, reduced in size, but Adobe RGB (1998) instead of sRGB.
    Attachment 85813

    Same image but developed from .ARW with Geometric Correction and Auto Contrast.
    Attachment 85812
    As PS CS6 doesn't have a Geometric Correction for the Vario-Elmar-R 105-280/4.2 I chose the one for the APO-R 280/4.

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    Would it be better not to use that correction?
    Also which image looks better to you?
    The OOC JPG or the more contrasty one?

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    PS: Please click on an image to get a larger view. Thanks.

    Coming back to this shot with Sony A7R + Leica Vario-Elmar-R 105-280/4.2.

    Processed in PS CS6, no Geometric Correction.


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    Silver Efex Pro 2, Neutral and Full Contrast and Structure.


    Silver Efex Pro 2, Neutral and Full Contrast and Structure and Full Contrast and Structure again.


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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    UV/IR filters will allow you to shoot normal. 550-690nm will allow NIR and some visible light to pass. 720nm+ is more the traditional IR. 830nm+ is more the deep black & white IR. Pretty much everything below 400nm down to 220nm or so is UV(A-C.)

    UV requires specialized lenses.
    To add to that, the "clear glass" (not sure what kind of material that is) on the A7r's sensor that would still be there would transmit all the available near UV (not necessarily down to 220nm).

    K-H already may have a bunch of lenses that would do well for near UV. The APO Telyt 180/3.4 is an excellent lens for that, for example.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    BTW, the cheapest L plate from China (very well made, CNC, anodized aluminum, ebay) for the A7/A7r/A7s got cheaper and it is ~ US $10 shipped.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    To add to that, the "clear glass" (not sure what kind of material that is) on the A7r's sensor that would still be there would transmit all the available near UV (not necessarily down to 220nm).

    K-H, already may have a bunch of lenses that would do well for near UV. The APO Telyt 180/3.4 is an excellent lens for that, for example.
    Many, many thanks Vivek.
    I have indeed the APO Telyt 180/3.4.

    Also how do you assess the following lenses?
    APO 280/4, Vario 105-280/4.2, Vario 80-200/4, and Vario 28-90/2.8-4.5 ASPH.
    TIA.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    BTW, the cheapest L plate from China (very well made, CNC, anodized aluminum, ebay) for the A7/A7r/A7s got cheaper and it is ~ US $10 shipped.
    Thanks. What's the name? TIA.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    K-H, Either you ship those lenses to me or me my dedicated UV camera based on an A7 to you to check it out. As you are well aware, you have the better surroundings to photograph.

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Thanks. What's the name? TIA.
    Type LB-A7 (lowest priced first) on ebay.com search.
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    Re: A7r - and why I'm keeping it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Type LB-A7 (lowest priced first) on ebay.com search.

    Thanks Vivek!

    WOW! Between $12 and $13, including shipping from China, Thailand, or Philippines. Amazing!
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