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    Pimp your A7/r

    Buying my A7r tonight after a ridiculously convoluted decision making process :-) Helps that my boss has promised to buy it from me for the studio if I change my mind.

    Not as much information out there about all the accessory stuff that we buy with a camera when it comes to Sony. Specifically batteries, external chargers, cable releases, tripod plates, etc. Thought it might be useful to discuss these. I need all of the above for example. If I wanted to know where to get good quality batteries for canon for example, wealth of information. Sony, not so much.

    What are you guys doing for your accessories?
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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Ben, based on your title:

    Watch at 15.24: Sony A7 vs. A7R Hands-on Review - YouTube
    Sony A7 vs. A7R Hands-on Review - YouTube



    Seriously, look up the posts by "hot" here. The NEX batteries are the ones used by the A7/7R and these batteries (knock offs)/shipped cost less than driving your car to shop to pick up groceries.

    Charger- ditto (search ebay).

    Remote: ditto (<$3).

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    Yeah I saw that, gave me the idea for the title

    Are there any radio remotes out there? I've used a radio remote made by yongnuo with my canon for years. Cheap as chips, range about 50+ yards. Far better for my needs than using IR in middle eastern sun. Found this so far. Rather expensive though.

    Had a look on ebay, as you say, so cheap it's pocket change. Was just wondering if anyone had any preferences, the knockoff canon chargers on ebay for example used to be really nasty in comparison to the real thing.

    I'll check out 'hot', thanks!

    Suppose we can also talk about bags here!
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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    It is already pimped up!

    See: PlayMemories Online | Applications

    Look up camera apps.

    Use your smart phone to control the camera.

    The A7R comes with NFC and WiFi!

    No need for an additional radio control device!

    As for bags, it is way out of my league.

    I use back packs that are meant to be diaper bags. My wife searches the web and buys them from Germany (based on the reviews and ratings posted by the Germans. Usually ~30 Euros on super sale). I get them as gifts.

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    Funny that, my cousin tells me my ancient crumpler shoulder bag looks like a diaper bag, I may have threatened him with a rapidly approaching fist if he didn't stop making fun of me and we switched to a different topic

    I'm a luddite and proud of it. Got rid of my iphone after 6 months and am very happy being unsmartphoned in my life. I'd pay the 40 bucks for a remote to remain not contactable by email while not in the office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    It is already pimped up!

    See: PlayMemories Online | Applications

    Look up camera apps.

    Use your smart phone to control the camera.

    The A7R comes with NFC and WiFi!

    No need for an additional radio control device!

    As for bags, it is way out of my league.

    I use back packs that are meant to be diaper bags. My wife searches the web and buys them from Germany (based on the reviews and ratings posted by the Germans. Usually ~30 Euros on super sale). I get them as gifts.
    What is the range of the iPhone as a remote for the A7?
    Thanks.

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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    I am sorry, I have no clue!

    I am more of a luddite than Ben is. Never ever owned a "smart" phone.

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    One may use an Android tablet (the Nexus 7 link is but one of the several available)Nexus 7 - Google, rather than a smart phone for image review and remote operation.

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    Ben, take care in securing radio remotes for flash right now. Most transmitters are for the older Minolta proprietary hot-shoe.

    I have pass through TTL transmitters for my A900 which has the older hot-shoe. With the A99, Sony returned to the standard type hot-shoe, but 3rd party radio haven't caught up yet.

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    I have my Radiopopper JX system which is standard hot shoe. Good point though!
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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    My backpack got upgraded to a "real" camera bag (though I do not see any difference between this and the diaper bag/ backpack I have).

    A Lowepro Photo hatchback 16L AW. I am yet to populate it and migrate from the old one but it looks to be perfect for the A7R and a bunch of stuff that goes with it plus room for my towels, plastic bags and such.

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    I can whole-heartedly recommend the Think Tank Retrospective 5 shoulder bag. It's very compact, but still fits a CSC-body and up to five smallish lenses. Perfect for the A7R, I find.

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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Here is an useful tip. The playing card box (cost with the cards: 1 Euro) fits 4 of the Sony NEX/A7/7R batteries.

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    Gosh that really is useful!
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    Great idea and perfect fit, Vivek!

    I've been using the Tihink Tank DSLR Battery Holder 2 for all my camera batteries for some time now. It holds two batteries and works well with the A7/NEX batteries.

    DSLR Battery Holder 2

    There's also a version for four batteries available:

    DSLR Battery Holder 4

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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    I use the 4 battery version, but the M240 batery is a very very tight fit. Monochrom batteries and RX-1 are fine, but then it costs more than 1 Euro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    I use the 4 battery version, but the M240 batery is a very very tight fit. Monochrom batteries and RX-1 are fine, but then it costs more than 1 Euro.
    It certainly does. The A7 batteries fit quite loosely - loosely enough that you can actually fit an additional AAA battery (e.g. for a small flash) into each battery pocket. Quite handy, I find.

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    The card box is a snug fit. Even when less than 4 batteries are in it, it will not rattle around. Most importantly, it keeps the ever present water (rain here) away.

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    The screen protector (PCK-LM16) is an useful addition and stays pretty clean from greasy fingers and nose grease ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    The screen protector (PCK-LM16) is an useful addition and stays pretty clean from greasy fingers and nose grease ...

    Kind regards.
    Ordered! Annoying that the prices it's selling for in the UK are universally more than the RRP on the sony site. Oh well, only 2 more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Ordered! Annoying that the prices it's selling for in the UK are universally more than the RRP on the sony site. Oh well, only 2 more.
    Sorry about that, Ben.
    Sony online and dealer prices here in Holland seem to be in sync.

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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    What I want now is the Metabones Canon-E mount III adaptor. Problem is that we get killed on import on this here in the EU. I have a friend flying from the states on the 11th who could bring one out for me but I've no idea how long it takes to ship from Metabones to the states and if it would get there in time. They seem to be ignoring my emails asking for shipping times. I don't suppose there is anywhere I can get one in the EU at close to the price our American cousins are able to get it for? I'll pay the new price ($399) for a used one in good condition if there is anyone in Europe who doesn't need theirs any more and can ship it out this week to the UK...
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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    What I want now is the Metabones Canon-E mount III adaptor. Problem is that we get killed on import on this here in the EU. I have a friend flying from the states on the 11th who could bring one out for me but I've no idea how long it takes to ship from Metabones to the states and if it would get there in time. They seem to be ignoring my emails asking for shipping times. I don't suppose there is anywhere I can get one in the EU at close to the price our American cousins are able to get it for? I'll pay the new price ($399) for a used one in good condition if there is anyone in Europe who doesn't need theirs any more and can ship it out this week to the UK...
    Search within the UK. There may be local dealers for them or place an advert in the BS section.

    For example, here in the NL: Foto Booms | Metabones | Objectieven & acc.

    You adapter is out of stock, unfortunately.

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    Yippee, got my battery grip !
    First impression: ergonomically not so great: I like the E-M1's better.

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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Bart, I don't think the EM!'s grip fits the A7R. Congrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Bart, I don't think the EM!'s grip fits the A7R. Congrats!
    Two things in particular are noteworthy: the protruding on/off switch and the narrow grip.
    I'm sure I'll get used to it

    All the best.
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    The ultimate make-over!

    Sony A7 vs. A7R Hands-on Review - YouTube (jump to 14:05)

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    I've been using Domke straps for decades, but I wanted something different for my a7r. This wrist strap from Joby has worked out well. The "y" connector that forms the loop slides easily, and automatically tightens if one drops the camera.

    Amazon.com: Joby JB01271-PWW DSLR Wrist Strap (Charcoal): Camera & Photo

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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Interestingly, the battery grip and the LCD protector were not available when I tried to order from Sony.nl. This turned out to be a good thing as they are available from some stores for less.

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    The A7R uses the Multi-Terminal connector for its wired remote shutter release RM-VPR1. I would like to attach my existing wired remotes via a standard 2.5mm jack. I have found an exorbitantly expensive adapter cable (USD 89.--) that would do the job, but am thinking there must be another way. Has anyone here researched alternatives, suppliers of Multi-Terminal plugs, connector pin-outs, protocol documentation, etc.? Thanks in advance for any feedback on this!

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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    A bit of luck (Sony not offering it when I was about to order) and patience paid off.

    The battery grip is available for 60 Euros less than the one offered by Sony.nl!

    VG-C1EM | Handgreep voor verticale fotografie | Kenmerken | VGC1EM.CE | VGC1EM | Sony ( 299)

    Sony VG-C1EM Battery Grip ( 240)

    The the LCD cover is cheaper outside of sony shop as well!

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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Someone is making a wooden grip for the A7/R : A7

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    Would that be a prototype of the Hasselblad Galactic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    A bit of luck (Sony not offering it when I was about to order) and patience paid off.

    The battery grip is available for 60 Euros less than the one offered by Sony.nl!

    VG-C1EM | Handgreep voor verticale fotografie | Kenmerken | VGC1EM.CE | VGC1EM | Sony ( 299)

    Sony VG-C1EM Battery Grip ( 240)

    The the LCD cover is cheaper outside of sony shop as well!
    Paid 209 for the grip, but 15 for the cover ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Paid € 209 for the grip, but € 15 for the cover ...
    Bart, Please send me a link. I can return mine (it is due to arrive today) if the other one is in stock. Thanks!

    Edit: Your shop foto nivo does not sell for that price to anyone else. You must be getting some special deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Bart, Please send me a link. I can return mine (it is due to arrive today) if the other one is in stock. Thanks!

    Edit: Your shop foto nivo does not sell for that price to anyone else. You must be getting some special deal.
    PM sent
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    There was some talk of a remote for the A7/r, I assume this would also apply to the A7 but I didn't hear a resolution to the remote except for the smartphone. Do you not need a wifi connection to run the camera remotely? I can operate the camera with my Nook tablet but only through a wifi connection. Does it also mean you must either use an IR remote or get a hot shoe multifunction accessory otherwise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    What I want now is the Metabones Canon-E mount III adaptor. Problem is that we get killed on import on this here in the EU. I have a friend flying from the states on the 11th who could bring one out for me but I've no idea how long it takes to ship from Metabones to the states and if it would get there in time. They seem to be ignoring my emails asking for shipping times. I don't suppose there is anywhere I can get one in the EU at close to the price our American cousins are able to get it for? I'll pay the new price ($399) for a used one in good condition if there is anyone in Europe who doesn't need theirs any more and can ship it out this week to the UK...
    I ordered it on the Metabones website and had it 2 weeks later. Nobody killed me, I am still alive. Why should they? I paid by Paypal. Total cost was 330/$434. And that is the price for everybody.

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    I got some rubber buttons to act as 'soft releases'. This ebay item. They fit exactly and perfectly on both the shutter release and the big button on the back. The 'stick' seems very 'sticky' not the usual cheap double sided tape but I'll have to update after use. They certainly don't shift or feel like they are moving about. The fit really is utterly perfect.

    On the shutter release it is a very big help. Only about 2mm but I can 'find' it so much easier. It also gives a far more positive travel when pressing. It's just a feeling but I think it's cutting about a third of the 'lag' I was feeling by cutting down the human element significantly. On the rear button it is a big help. First of all I can find it much more easily with the camera to my face and as I have zoom mapped to it that is a very big difference. It also means that I'm touching and turning the wheel far less by accident.

    Overall a very cheap and very useful addition. The lag however is still a real problem. I do hope they can do something with firmware. Can't be bothered trading down to an A7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I got some rubber buttons to act as 'soft releases'. This ebay item. They fit exactly and perfectly on both the shutter release and the big button on the back. The 'stick' seems very 'sticky' not the usual cheap double sided tape but I'll have to update after use. They certainly don't shift or feel like they are moving about. The fit really is utterly perfect.

    On the shutter release it is a very big help. Only about 2mm but I can 'find' it so much easier. It also gives a far more positive travel when pressing. It's just a feeling but I think it's cutting about a third of the 'lag' I was feeling by cutting down the human element significantly. On the rear button it is a big help. First of all I can find it much more easily with the camera to my face and as I have zoom mapped to it that is a very big difference. It also means that I'm touching and turning the wheel far less by accident.

    Overall a very cheap and very useful addition. The lag however is still a real problem. I do hope they can do something with firmware. Can't be bothered trading down to an A7.
    I'd like a rubber button for C1 ...

    Really, I don't get that lag issue, agreed there is quite a bit of shutter release travel required but I've not experienced any lag otherwise.
    Must be my age I suppose: old and slow ...

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    Last edited by Knorp; 10th January 2014 at 03:10.
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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Yeah C1 is hard to find with your eye to the viewfinder.

    The measured lag for the A7r is 162ms (Imaging Resource). To put that into perspective the Nex 5 is 110ms, a 5D3 is 60ms and a D800 is about 45ms. I'm finding it a real problem for people work. I've got a feeling that Guy did the most sensible thing actually. Buy an A7r and an A7. The A7 can handle the faster work. I don't quite have that cash though.
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    Average human reaction time is 215ms.(Human Benchmark - Reaction Time Test)

    I did a quick experiment. I removed my wristwatch, placed it on a table, and attempted to photograph the second hand at the "12" position with my a7r. Out of 10 attempts, I was successful 10 times.

    Was I anticipating the hand movement, actuating the shutter a bit before the hand reached 12? Obviously. It's the same way I would photograph anything with movement.

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    215+160 = bit over a third of a second. Shouldn't be too hard to get the second hand in place, you've got a second. When shooting people who are moving though it makes a big difference. It's a matter of them moving away from the scene you saw through the viewfinder but before the picture is taken. If it's a walking person then you can anticipate, if it's facial expressions, forget it, they change too fast. Try it with someone who is talking to you. Half the time you're freezing the wrong facial expression. You can't anticipate that.
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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Hi,

    I'm using a 12 EUR remote control from JJC (from amazon.de) with my A7. Works like a charm.



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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Try it with someone who is talking to you. Half the time you're freezing the wrong facial expression. You can't anticipate that.
    I'm not attempting to make this an argument. If the lag is a problem for you, it's a problem.

    I shoot mostly static images. With portraits the individual is posed, and isn't speaking. If a candid, I wait for a time when the person isn't speaking, and their mouth is closed. If I want to shoot a person speaking, I change to video.

    When I need a camera with a high FPS and good autofocus, I switch to a DSLR. I'm not one who plans on going a7(r) body only. They're great bodies for almost everything I do, but it's nice to have other tools in the cabinet for occasions that call for them.

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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    What about a flash? Will the old A900 flash work? And also the pocket wizard II?
    And Im waiting for the RRS L bracket but I'm going to need something soon, any others out there now?
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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    215+160 = bit over a third of a second. Shouldn't be too hard to get the second hand in place, you've got a second. When shooting people who are moving though it makes a big difference. It's a matter of them moving away from the scene you saw through the viewfinder but before the picture is taken. If it's a walking person then you can anticipate, if it's facial expressions, forget it, they change too fast. Try it with someone who is talking to you. Half the time you're freezing the wrong facial expression. You can't anticipate that.
    For some reason I haven't noticed any lag issue when shooting people Ben ... but I will pay closer attention as I press this camera into event work the next few days.

    I wonder if it is the way I tend to shoot ... I use the rear button to AF and then shoot. It seems instant ... but I may be way off base here ... so we'll see. Gotta run.

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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    The a900 flash does work on my a7r.
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    Re: Pimp your A7/r

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    I'd like a rubber button

    ...snip.....
    I have a rubber button on C1. I fashioned a tiny ball out of Sugru. I put it on C1 and pressed it into shape, making sure that it did not go down into the recess around the button. I let it dry for several hours without touching it.
    The Sugru on the magnify button of my A99 has been there for over a year. When I sold my Nex7, I removed the Sugru from that one without a trace of damage.
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