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    Re: 55 1.8

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    Apologies for the LR processing, it was already done and loaded before I started using C1...
    Tim, can you share your sharpening setting in C1 for the A7r
    It seems like general consensus is C1 is working better the LR5

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Tim, can you share your sharpening setting in C1 for the A7r
    It seems like general consensus is C1 is working better the LR5

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    I'm rolling with default for now - it is a little less crisp than I like but it'll take me time to work out what suits me best: C1 sharpening is not my strong suit!

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Tim try 190/.6/1
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    Wilco Guv, thanks!

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    What I use on the D800e it should be close
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    Re: 55 1.8

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    Has anyone else noted that when you mount the 55mm F1.8 and go to the lens compensation tab in the menu, the Auto option for Lens Distortion is selected and greyed out and can't be turned to OFF whereas when you use the 35mm F2.8, that option is selectable as liked? The other options remain selectable with both lenses.
    After installing the Sony Lens Compensation app in the A7R, the Lens Distortion menu selection becomes available and can be selected (Auto or Off) with the 55mm f/1.8 mounted. Haven't tried it with non-native lens yet.

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    Hi Joe,

    How do you like the 55mm f1.8 on the A7R?

    Mine arrives today or tomorrow - depending on UPS.

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    After installing the Sony Lens Compensation app in the A7R, the Lens Distortion menu selection becomes available and can be selected (Auto or Off) with the 55mm f/1.8 mounted. Haven't tried it with non-native lens yet.

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    Re: 55 1.8

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    Hi Joe,

    How do you like the 55mm f1.8 on the A7R?

    Mine arrives today or tomorrow - depending on UPS.

    Take care,
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    Mike,

    I like it. See my earlier post (#140) in this thread. My copy seems to be sharp edge-to-edge and focuses reasonably fast. Good luck with yours, and Merry Christmas!

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Mine is coming tomorrow. If it ever stops raining I might get to try it.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    One question :
    Have somebody using this lens see that, during AF, the aperture don't change to full (and going back to the selected aperture when The shutter is released) ?
    Or is it only mine or only my mistake...

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    Joe,

    Thanks for the prompt reply.

    Now all I have to do is find a wide angle that works with this little guy.

    Merry Christmas,
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    Mike,

    I like it. See my earlier post (#140) in this thread. My copy seems to be sharp edge-to-edge and focuses reasonably fast. Good luck with yours, and Merry Christmas!

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Daure View Post
    One question :
    Have somebody using this lens see that, during AF, the aperture don't change to full (and going back to the selected aperture when The shutter is released) ?
    Or is it only mine or only my mistake...
    Some Sony cameras have intricate behaviour on this: what the A7R and I assume A7 are trying to do is make sure that they focus at shooting aperture. The benefit of this is that there is no problem if the les has focus shift as it stops down. The problem with it is that there is more ambiguity because of depth of field when trying to focus a stopped down lens. The RX-1 focusses at shooting aperture for all apertures from F8 and larger, but from F11 to smaller it opens to F8 briefly in order to focus. I haven't checked the A7R with either of my native lenses but I assume it does something similar.
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    Re: 55 1.8

    You are right.
    The A7r coupled with the 55 works as you said.
    Good point : take the (enventualy) focus shift in account.
    Bad point : focus hinting with bad light and a lens stopped down.
    Not bad/not good : dof = focus on/with the sensor should be accurate enough to be at the right place !!

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    I think somebody said earlier that this behavior happens, if you have the evf/screen show estimation of the actual picture. I think it was called "show effect" or similar in settings. Then it focuses stopped down etc. If you turn that thing off, it'll focus wide open.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Many thanks.
    Good tip !
    Too late (midnight here) to test.
    Will check tomorrow morning.

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    55 1.8 - Arrived this morning

    I've had the 55/1.8 FE for an hour now. It is really sharp and the bokeh is first class. So far no real complaints other than it has a focusing mind of it's own.

    The photos below have no merit other than to demonstrate the detail and OOF.

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    DSC00246 by leephotographic, on Flickr


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    Re: 55 1.8

    My 55mm arrived! A pre war, uncoated 5.5cm f/4.5 Carl Zeiss Planar!

    About the same price as Sony's lens case for the 55/1.8 FE.
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    Re: 55 1.8

    A few from the 55 1.8 and A7R taken on a short test drive today. All shot handheld in S mode and processed through LR5 using the lens profile for the 55.





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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    In isolation, yes, if you're not extremely careful. But when the wall shots are repeatable and back up other behaviours, they are very useful.
    I just ordered this lens since I'd now would like to have two native AF lenses for my A7R ... the FE55/1.8 for speed, and the FE24-70/4 for versatility.

    Since you brought up "de-centering" as a possible issue, I'll be testing this 55 for it.

    Tim, what I still can't grasp is how one assures the camera's sensor is perfectly parallel side-to-side and top-to-bottom compared to the flat subject?

    How far away from the subject is prudent for an accurate measure? The further away one gets the deeper the DOF becomes at any aperture ... even f/1.8

    What other subject can be used since a perfectly flat brick wall is pretty rare?

    Wouldn't a true double blind test be where you shot the same subject on a locked down camera and swapped to another lens or even two that you deem well centered?

    I know from doing a lot of flat-on product shots in studio, that getting a perfectly parallel plane of focus on the subject is extremely difficult ... the smallest variation is visible with the aperture wide open. I shoot a lot of car wheels for catalogs where getting the wheel perfectly round is quite a trick ... actually, damned near impossible.

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    Marc,
    I answered this to some extent in posts #59 thru 60 in this thread. But that's a short answer. Truth is, I'd never shoot a brick wall first, or rely on it alone.. To see if you have an amount of de-centering that matters is usually pretty easy because it is visible in normal shots, sometimes immediately so. But if I see it either mildly or ambiguously, I shoot well known scenes at near, mid, far mid and infinity distances and compare them to a database in my head of how other lenses do in that scene on that sensor size at that aperture. For example I have a hillside scene which a map will show you has a horizon that looks about flat but which actually has some varying depths in it; but the RX-1 tells me that at f2 on a full frame sensor, the far ridge line can all be rendered in good focus by a 35mm lens.

    And yes, I do often lock the body down and then try another lens or two. However, it is only valid with copies of the same lens and even then, the field effects can mean that the exact point of focus can make even the same lens look ok in one frame and not in another.

    These things are made more complicated by the fact that field curvature can come and go as a factor at differing distances and apertures and by issues of how the planes of a scene intersect that curved field. This and the effects of focus shift can make the detective work tricky.

    I also often use parallax to help me get as close to 'true' to a subject as possible. That's a bigger subject.

    But in general it is simple: if, when closed down a stop, a lens consistently renders scenes softer on one side than the other, it's a suspect. I then interrogate it until it cracks.

    My current 55 f1.8 is pretty good, I class it a keeper for sure. My current 35 f2 is marginal and might get swapped out. I have a zeiss 21mm f2.8 for my d800e that I should have swapped out and didn't and I regret it. It's hard work, but if you end up with a stable of lenses you trust (and which you don't feel guilty about when you eBay) then it is worthwhile!

    De-centering is like pornography: I know it when I see it!
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Marc,
    I answered this to some extent in posts #59 thru 60 in this thread. But that's a short answer. Truth is, I'd never shoot a brick wall first, or rely on it alone.. To see if you have an amount of de-centering that matters is usually pretty easy because it is visible in normal shots, sometimes immediately so. But if I see it either mildly or ambiguously, I shoot well known scenes at near, mid, far mid and infinity distances and compare them to a database in my head of how other lenses do in that scene on that sensor size at that aperture. For example I have a hillside scene which a map will show you has a horizon that looks about flat but which actually has some varying depths in it; but the RX-1 tells me that at f2 on a full frame sensor, the far ridge line can all be rendered in good focus by a 35mm lens.

    And yes, I do often lock the body down and then try another lens or two. However, it is only valid with copies of the same lens and even then, the field effects can mean that the expect point of focus can make even the same lens look ok in one frame and not in another.

    These things are made more complicated by the fact that field curvature can come and go as a factor at differing distances and apertures and by issues of how the planes of a scene intersect that curved field. This and the effects of focus shift can make the detective work tricky.

    I also often use parallax to help me get as close to 'true' to a subject as possible. That's a bigger subject.

    But in general it is simple: if, when closed down a stop, a lens consistently renders scenes softer on one side than the other, it's a suspect. I then interrogate it until it cracks.

    My current 55 f1.8 is pretty good, I class it a keeper for sure. My current 35 f2 is marginal and might get swapped out. I have a zeiss 21mm f2.8 for my d800e that I should have swapped out and didn't and I regret it. It's hard work, but if you end up with a stable of lenses you trust (and which you don't feel guilty about when you eBay) then it is worthwhile!

    De-centering is like pornography: I know it when I see it!
    Thanks Tim.

    Experience IS a good measure.

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    Re: 55 1.8

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    A few from the 55 1.8 and A7R taken on a short test drive today. All shot handheld in S mode and processed through LR5 using the lens profile for the 55.





    Okay so I go through the process of getting the Lens app on the Sony site, and when told to connect the camera with a USB cord ... there is none in the box. I go through the pile of USB cords I have and none fit the camera's female port (which I assume is the same one used for charging). I dig out the USB cord from my A99 and doesn't fit either.

    How the heck are you guys loading the lens corrections?

    (if you offer steps, please write them so a pre-school child could understand them )

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Okay so I go through the process of getting the Lens app on the Sony site, and when told to connect the camera with a USB cord ... there is none in the box. I go through the pile of USB cords I have and none fit the camera's female port (which I assume is the same one used for charging). I dig out the USB cord from my A99 and doesn't fit either.

    How the heck are you guys loading the lens corrections?

    (if you offer steps, please write them so a pre-school child could understand them )

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    How are you charging without the USB connection cable? It's the same cable that is used to connect to your computer for the app download and transfer. Make sure the camera is set to MTP.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I just ordered this lens since I'd now would like to have two native AF lenses for my A7R ... the FE55/1.8 for speed, and the FE24-70/4 for versatility.

    Since you brought up "de-centering" as a possible issue, I'll be testing this 55 for it.

    Tim, what I still can't grasp is how one assures the camera's sensor is perfectly parallel side-to-side and top-to-bottom compared to the flat subject?

    How far away from the subject is prudent for an accurate measure? The further away one gets the deeper the DOF becomes at any aperture ... even f/1.8

    What other subject can be used since a perfectly flat brick wall is pretty rare?

    Wouldn't a true double blind test be where you shot the same subject on a locked down camera and swapped to another lens or even two that you deem well centered?

    I know from doing a lot of flat-on product shots in studio, that getting a perfectly parallel plane of focus on the subject is extremely difficult ... the smallest variation is visible with the aperture wide open. I shoot a lot of car wheels for catalogs where getting the wheel perfectly round is quite a trick ... actually, damned near impossible.

    Thanks,

    - Marc
    Try to put the camera on a tripod.
    Take two pictures,one with the viewer up (as it should be...), the second one with the viewer down ( the bottom plate so up).
    If the softness/unsharp stay at the same side, could be the lens.
    If the softness/unsharp change of side, could be a parallelisme problem between camera and subject
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Okay so I go through the process of getting the Lens app on the Sony site, and when told to connect the camera with a USB cord ... there is none in the box. I go through the pile of USB cords I have and none fit the camera's female port (which I assume is the same one used for charging). I dig out the USB cord from my A99 and doesn't fit either.
    You will NEED that cable for the process. Without it, you're screwed. If your camera was purchased new, the cable should be in the box somewhere, possibly under one of the cardboard flaps.

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    55mm f1,8 is a gooooood lens, love it.
    @ f4,0 (no de-centering seen in 1st test)

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Where on the Sony site are you finding the lens correction app?
    I looked in the support section, and the only item there was for remote control of the camera when connected to the computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecsh View Post
    Where on the Sony site are you finding the lens correction app?
    I looked in the support section, and the only item there was for remote control of the camera when connected to the computer.
    Try this: https://www.playmemoriescameraapps.com/portal/

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Okay so I go through the process of getting the Lens app on the Sony site, and when told to connect the camera with a USB cord ... there is none in the box. I go through the pile of USB cords I have and none fit the camera's female port (which I assume is the same one used for charging). I dig out the USB cord from my A99 and doesn't fit either.

    How the heck are you guys loading the lens corrections?

    (if you offer steps, please write them so a pre-school child could understand them )

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    I used the provided lens correction profile in LR5 in the Develop tab:
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    You will NEED that cable for the process. Without it, you're screwed. If your camera was purchased new, the cable should be in the box somewhere, possibly under one of the cardboard flaps.

    Joe
    Thanks guys ... I didn't realize that the charger cable was removable from the plug ... DUH!

    Crikey, is that little USB cord proprietary? Kinda makes it a precarious item ... misplace that and you're screwed.

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    Na it's just a micro USB and a fairly common cable.
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    Oh Marc the ZA 85mm 1.4 noisy as hell but what a beauty. Really nice on this cam. Love the 1.4 aberrations than love it about perfect at 2.8. Great two for one lens aka Leica R 80 lux. Glad I grabbed it
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Crikey, is that little USB cord proprietary? Kinda makes it a precarious item ... misplace that and you're screwed.
    Marc,

    No worries. Standard A connector on one end and Micro B on the other. Available in various lengths on the Web.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Received my review copy today. It's smaller than I expected it to be:

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    Re: 55 1.8

    We're going crazy here, Sandy ordered the 55 which will arrive Monday and preordered the 24-70. Looks like Sandy will get completely away from Canon.
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    Not surprised Don. She would live something like this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Not surprised Don. She would live something like this
    She having some problems with arthritis in her hands and just able to continuer using the much heavier 1dsiii. We got a NEX7 shortly after I bought yours for IR work and she's loved using it. Ordered the a7r while here in Jackson and while the Canon lenses work she'd prefer no adaptor thus we're looking at what Sony is offering, first the 55 then in the end of Feb the (according to B&H) the 24-70. Now we need to see about longer lenses like a 135 and either a 200 or 300.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    I'll get the 24-70 for PR work. What I would like to do is have the 24-70, 85 1.4 and the 135 for AF and PR for the A7

    Than for the A7r go manual glass all Zeiss and Leica
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'll get the 24-70 for PR work. What I would like to do is have the 24-70, 85 1.4 and the 135 for AF and PR for the A7

    Than for the A7r go manual glass all Zeiss and Leica
    If it were me I'd be using Zeiss and Leica lens as well and maybe a Voltlander (had a 50mm when I still had the M9). I don't have a problem with MF but Sandy does and she keeps reminding me I shoot Medium format and this camera is hers. To that I say Yes Dear!

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    Wait to you play with it. Game over
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    Re: 55 1.8

    So since I am the odd ball out and only have the A7, besides all the "pros" who purchased both A7 and A7R, I currently have the Zeiss 50/2 ZM with a voigtlander adaptor.
    Besides the obvious, no AF what else am I missing by not having the FE 55/1.8
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    If you want AF with no adapter than right now your only choice . These cameras the MF is so good that for some AF may not be needed. Easiest manual focus by far over anything else in 35mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    So since I am the odd ball out and only have the A7, besides all the "pros" who purchased both A7 and A7R, I currently have the Zeiss 50/2 ZM with a voigtlander adaptor.
    Besides the obvious, no AF what else am I missing by not having the FE 55/1.8
    Slightly longer focal length. Slightly faster lens. Different rendering. Don't fret though. The ZM50 Planar is a great lens and works great on either A7. I have both (and my 50 Lux) still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    If you want AF with no adapter than right now your only choice . These cameras the MF is so good that for some AF may not be needed. Easiest manual focus by far over anything else in 35mm.
    Even though I ordered the 55/1.8 and will probably get the 24-70/4 just to have a smaller AF kit ... I cannot agree with you more regarding the manual focus possibilities of this camera.

    The acid test of this is use of my Leica M 50/0.95, wide open, close up, with off-center composition.

    Right now I am in "training mode" ... this is a new focusing approach with certain muscle memory techniques that have to be acquired ... in other words, that "work" you referred to in another post ... work you have to do to get familiar and proficient.

    Bringing up the mag square and wheeling it off center then magnifying it to focus is getting faster and faster with practice ... I have had to learn to keep my finger off the shutter button while focusing since it is quite sensitive and snaps back to full view if you even brush it slightly ... I also caught myself shooting while I was still slightly moving the focus collar ... which doesn't work at 0.95

    Old dog, new tricks ... I figure I'm a week away from getting it down pat.

    Here's that off-center 0.95 close up using mag focus on Irakly's eyeball ... with DOF so thin it could give you a paper cut

    "Dinky and Grandma take a Christmas evening nap" ... another with the 0.95 using an ISO undreamed of with my M9.

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    Agree Marc that reset on the shutter is too sensitive. Like to see that a full half press. I do the same thing once in awhile is touch the shutter and goes back to full viewing.

    Totally agree on getting used to the system and its abilities and also training ourselves. This takes time. We have 3 custom functions the dial does about 5 things than a Fn button with much more control. This just takes time to learn. We could use a few updates in certain things but that is to be expected.

    But I have to say and this is extremely rare for me to say but I'm actually excited and thrilled again about a camera. To me its a fun challenge and I have yet to miss focus on anything yet with any lens. I love my manual focus lenses but seriously every Modern DSLR absolutely sucks at focusing them. This changes the game. End of the day I get paid to deliver a image if something actually helps me do that instead of limit me, it just makes me better at my job. Plus it frees the artist in you.
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    I received my 3rd copy of the 55 and..... I still can't believe it but its on the money. The first thing I did was shoot a Resolving Power Chart and checked the sides, top and bottom and corners. When compared to the center they are all very similar. Compared to my previous copies which had sharp center, sharp right side and completely out of focus left side. That's decentering! This the easiest and quickest way to check a lens for decentering. All the talk about making sure the camera is completely parallel with the target is way overblown. Close is good enough..... if the lens is off it will show. If you get a bad lens send it back and get another.... good ones are out there.

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    This is good to know but what guarantee is there that there will not be decentering after some time? Are these made just like the NEX E mount lenses? If so, I will stay away from them. I have taken apart a few of the (NEX) lenses to know how badly they are put together.

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    Totally agree... The two Sony primes are not meant for the front lines. I consider them very delicate. Time will tell.... I have Leica and Zeiss glass and would like to try some of the Voightlander's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Here's that off-center 0.95 close up using mag focus on Irakly's eyeball ... with DOF so thin it could give you a paper cut
    -Marc
    glad to see Irakly is still alive and kicking ...
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    glad to see Irakly is still alive and kicking ...
    Yes - Please send regards Marc.
    . . . . . is he using an A7?

    Just this guy you know

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