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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by fmueller View Post
    I've used the 50 Summilux ASPH on my A7r and have been sorely disappointed with the edges at wide apertures---with a $4000 lens!

    I am seriously contemplating selling the Leica gear. It used to be "you couldn't go wrong owning Leica M lenses." The A7r has shown me that Leica has done some fine engineering with the digital M's covering the ray angle issue but they are losing the size and weight issue that has been their advantage.
    The problem with the edges is a result incompatibility between the Leica design and A7R sensor ..not a function of a problem with the Leica lens . Try the same lens on a M240 and I am sure you would be pleased as almost every Leica user has been . The new Sony/Zeiss 55/1.8 was designed for the A7R sensor and should not have the smeared edge issue of some of the Leica and Zeiss M mount lenses .
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    Re: 55 1.8

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    Received my review copy today. It's smaller than I expected it to be:

    Thank you for this - the system is much smaller than I imagined.
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by kuujinbo View Post
    Thank you for this - the system is much smaller than I imagined.
    Keith, You should check out the camera+lthe lens +the hood. This picture is very misleading.
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    A7r and 551.8FE. This combo is staggeringly good.

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    That looks nice.
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    Re: 55 1.8

    been fiddling Around with some lens tests: printed the AF-test pattern on five 8-1/2"x11" laser jet pages, one at center and near each corner on studio wall. lighted with strobes. pattern about 9' wide and tried some shots with the FE55 at 1.8 and 5.6. object was to see of there was significant difference in the corners. viewed each pattern at 100% in C1. no problems.

    did find this:

    there is a difference in the apparent resolution between viewing the same image at 100%in C1 and the processed Tiff file at 100% in Photoshop, PS being better.

    i have noticed this before, but had never done an empirical side by side comparison

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Keith, You should check out the camera+lthe lens +the hood. This picture is very misleading.
    Agree on showing the hoods in the picture as well. But note that the 25mm Panasonic comes with an impressive rectangular hood too. Plus one you can't even reverse it to store the camera.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Keith, You should check out the camera+lthe lens +the hood. This picture is very misleading.
    Thanks Vivek. Still looking, and if the system is in my future will probably use it similarly to you, since I love MF so much. I have a 40mm M-Rokkor too, which is one of the lenses you've shown works very nicely on the camera.
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Keith, You should check out the camera+lthe lens +the hood. This picture is very misleading.
    I wouldn't say misleading. I would say it's very telling for those who proclaimed how large the 55/1.8 was. That's not even the 50 Summilux ASPH adapted to the other A7. The sizes are very close although the 55 is still slightly larger than the 50 Lux.
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Yes - Please send regards Marc.
    . . . . . is he using an A7?
    Will do Jono.

    Due to business commitments he's all over the map lately ... literally.

    Irakly's coming here today (Monday/30th) to try his M mount lenses on my A7R ... some Zeiss M mount and a f/1.0 Noctilux if I recall correctly ... but like many people shooters, mostly uses 50mm.

    He got interested after he saw some of my initial shots on the 30" screens and we discussed how M9 like the feel seemed to be albeit with the added ISO and DR performance ... then we shot a few more.

    In this case, I don't think using a tripod interests him in the least, but if we have time, we'll do some studio stuff with lighting anyway because we both do that sort of work on occasion and this camera is super easy to work with in studio.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Out all day and found the brown truck had delivered the 55mm. Too late to do anything tonight but mount it on the camera and try a couple test shots inside the apartment. First the size reminds me of Leica only slightly larger. Overall the total package (lens & body) are very light weight.

    We'll take it out tomorrow morning to a small herd of buffalo that's been grazing in the snow on the way to Teton Park. It's hit or miss with the buffalo however the trees we've been shooting in the early morning haven't moved yet so we should at least have something to look at tomorrow.

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    I now believe the A7 is superior to the M9 with the Noct f/1.

    Better files, better focus, better IQ.

    Furthermore, after shooting all day at Legoland with family and friends, I am tempted to sell off all my micro 4/3's kit.

    I exclusively used the A7 and the much maligned kit lens. It was very capable for my needs.

    Of course, I can go wide and long with small micro 4/3's lenses, so it is probably premature to sell it off.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by fmueller View Post
    Has there ever been a camera or lens that was delivered to Mr. Chambers that didn't arrive severely out of alignment, frozen, in need of multiple trips back to the manufacturer for adjustment, replacement or simply in need of a complete redesign for issues that, for some reason, they never contact him to hire his services so he can tell them what idiots they are?
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    I have now done quite a bit of testing regarding the shutter issue Chambers went on about, where he called dissenters MORONS in writing. It seems to me he works to a business model where he has to convince people that he is the world's most (only?) demanding photographer, and that, unless you subscribe to all his blogs, you are like a babe in the woods, incapable of getting good equipment and sharp shots.
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by philber View Post
    I have now done quite a bit of testing regarding the shutter issue Chambers went on about, where he called dissenters MORONS in writing. It seems to me he works to a business model where he has to convince people that he is the world's most (only?) demanding photographer, and that, unless you subscribe to all his blogs, you are like a babe in the woods, incapable of getting good equipment and sharp shots.
    I could not agree MORE !!!!

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    I am finding the images that I am getting from this lens and the A7 to be more than good, so much so that I would consider selling the leica summilux 50 asph. It now spends 90% of the time on the A7 and my 28 summicron asph spends 905% of the time on the M(240) so I am happy as I once again have a 2 camera, 2 lens kit that I can use on assignments

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    We'll take it out tomorrow morning to a small herd of buffalo that's been grazing in the snow on the way to Teton Park. It's hit or miss with the buffalo however the trees we've been shooting in the early morning haven't moved yet so we should at least have something to look at tomorrow.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Went out this morning with the 7r and 55mm and came back with these


    f/11 1/160 ISO 100 100% crop


    f/8 1/160 ISO 100 100% crop


    f/8 1/160 ISO 100

    Not bad for a first attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philber View Post
    I have now done quite a bit of testing regarding the shutter issue Chambers went on about, where he called dissenters MORONS in writing. It seems to me he works to a business model where he has to convince people that he is the world's most (only?) demanding photographer, and that, unless you subscribe to all his blogs, you are like a babe in the woods, incapable of getting good equipment and sharp shots.
    I don't recall ever seeing Mr. Chambers articulate such a view. Perhaps you could point me to the source.
    Whatever one may think about the legitimacy of his reviews, the images that he uses in his reviews possess an amazing level of detail for images displayed on the web. I can actually tell if a lens offers an exceptional level of detail or there is a defect, say, in the way it handles the corners. I always find it funny when I look at images posted on the web by others that are supposed to show how good a lens is and you can't tell anything from the image. They all look to me like they may have been taken with an iPhone. This includes images taken with technical cameras and 80mp digital backs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcubell View Post
    I don't recall ever seeing Mr. Chambers articulate such a view. Perhaps you could point me to the source.
    Whatever one may think about the legitimacy of his reviews, the images that he uses in his reviews possess an amazing level of detail for images displayed on the web. I can actually tell if a lens offers an exceptional level of detail or there is a defect, say, in the way it handles the corners. I always find it funny when I look at images posted on the web by others that are supposed to show how good a lens is and you can't tell anything from the image. They all look to me like they may have been taken with an iPhone. This includes images taken with technical cameras and 80mp digital backs.
    He went into a rant on Twitter and while it wasn't quite Ken Rockwell bat**** crazy it did give me some pause to ever consider a subscription on his site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    He went into a rant on Twitter and while it wasn't quite Ken Rockwell batshit crazy it did give me some pause to ever consider a subscription on his site.
    I agree that this was an entirely inappropriate reaction on his part, but I am with hcubell on this one: short of having a particular lens or camera available for testing yourself, Lloyd Chambers' test reports are the next best thing, IMO. That, and he does reply to questions sent by email in a very timely fashion...
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Went out this morning with the 7r and 55mm and came back with these...

    Not bad for a first attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    I agree that this was an entirely inappropriate reaction on his part, but I am with hcubell on this one: short of having a particular lens or camera available for testing yourself, Lloyd Chambers' test reports are the next best thing, IMO. That, and he does reply to questions sent by email in a very timely fashion...
    Maybe his reports and reviews are great and I don't have an issue with paying for information but it has to be worth it to me and I have to know where they're coming from. That's the issue with a lot of pay sites... You aren't quite sure what you're paying for beforehand. In the case of Sean Reid... His reviews (along with my personal research) helped me in choosing the best kit for me with my M system. That was worth the $32 for me in not spending unnecessary money on lenses that wouldn't work as well for my style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Maybe his reports and reviews are great and I don't have an issue with paying for information but it has to be worth it to me and I have to know where they're coming from. That's the issue with a lot of pay sites... You aren't quite sure what you're paying for beforehand. In the case of Sean Reid... His reviews (along with my personal research) helped me in choosing the best kit for me with my M system. That was worth the $32 for me in not spending unnecessary money on lenses that wouldn't work as well for my style.
    Tre, not to continue this OT discussion too long, but to say that I found Sean Reid's reviews very helpful in choosing the M-mount lenses as well. Lloyd Chambers' reviews are equally thorough, and perhaps even more relevant to me, as most of the images he makes available are of nature and landscape subjects. His subscriptions are quite a bit more expensive than that of Sean Reid, but he covers a much broader range of gear. I feel that a diglloyd subscription is especially valuable if you're planning to purchase one or more lenses within a span of 12 months, and are particularly interested in Zeiss or Leica glass, though he has covered Sigma quite thoroughly as of late, too...

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    I agree. No one else 'does' the sorts of equipment I buy in more depth than Lloyd. He also very rarely misses a trick: if a lens has odd curvature, he spots it and advises how to work around it, for example.

    For all the equipment that I don't know I will buy and review myself, he is far the best choice out there - and for a sanity check either before or after I have written my own reviews on stuff I do buy, he is a really interesting point of comparison. Well worth the money.
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    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/559331-post148.html

    With regards to the FE 55/1.8 lens
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/559331-post148.html

    With regards to the FE 55/1.8 lens
    Thanks for the thread/article. The FE-55/1.8ZA does seem to deliver amazing performance/size/cost ratio on the A7R.

    I've been playing with mine for a day or two now, and the other interesting thing is how close it is able to focus compared to my 50/0.95 Noctilux. So, you can get some really nice bokeh if the background is far enough away from the subject.

    Sure is a lot lighter also

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    Not to mention, cheaper!!
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    Re: 55 1.8

    I know I'm going to get some flak for this on this thread but for all the sharpness, contrast, bokeh, resolving power, etc, the lens seems to lack any character. Reminds me of my Canon 50mm 1.4 or 85mm 1.8 which from f1.8 were sharp, nice bokeh, real workhorses of lenses that just worked at pretty much everything you used them for. But with about zero character. Just too modern a look for me. Extremely sterile and robotic. Just can't warm to the look.
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    Re: 55 1.8

    This is a double post as I also included in the fun with thread as well.

    A7r with the 55mm handheld 100% crop.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I know I'm going to get some flak for this on this thread but for all the sharpness, contrast, bokeh, resolving power, etc, the lens seems to lack any character. Reminds me of my Canon 50mm 1.4 or 85mm 1.8 which from f1.8 were sharp, nice bokeh, real workhorses of lenses that just worked at pretty much everything you used them for. But with about zero character. Just too modern a look for me. Extremely sterile and robotic. Just can't warm to the look.
    No flack from me Beni.

    Reminds me of my first impression of the Leica S lenses ... to good, not enough character. I eventually altered my opinion once I discovered how to work them in post, but it took awhile.

    That German thread someone linked to was worth doing a translation using Google ... the FE55/1.8 was right behind the new uber-stellar Zeiss Otis in resolving power. Trick is, what to do with that to meet creative objectives? I've been experimenting with it using some Nik plug-ins which is getting interesting ... the files are really malleable.

    I have four fast 50mm lenses I can use on the A7R: Standard Sony A mount 50/1.4 (small like the Canon 50/1.4); the new Zeiss ZA 50/1.4 (bigger with faster SSW AF); the native FE55/1.8 AF (smallest choice with AF); and ... "My Precious" (use Gollum's voice), the Leica M 50/0.95.

    If I can work up the gumption to compare them I will. Pretty tired of the testing routines by now, and really can't wait to actually shoot something with them

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    Hello all, I'm a (former) lurker that some of you might know from FM forums. I thought I'd share some thoughts about the FE 55/1.8

    This talk about "lack of character" is familiar to me, and I can think the same when I look at some images. But then it strikes me; what are my images worth if they must be given "character" from the lens? Not very much, in my opinion.
    "Lack of character" is just another way to describe perfection. Can something like a lens be too perfect? Perhaps, but probably because it reveals that the photographer isn't good enough to make the images live due to their content.

    The FE 55/1.8 is the best ~50 mm lens I've tried. Period. Of course there are many lenses that are better for this or that special purpose (including nice aberrations called character ), but overall, none comes close to the FE in being pretty darn good at everything. Add a small size, low weight and reasonable (yeah) price. What more to ask for?

    Oh, and the images. Here comes a bunch, all shot with the a7. Unfortunately the forum seems to rescale large images, so if you want to see them bigger (1500 pix wide) with greater detail, just follow the links below each photo.


    Planet by Martin Hertsius, on Flickr



    Bottles by Martin Hertsius, on Flickr



    Cargotec by Martin Hertsius, on Flickr



    Christmas trees that didn't sell by Martin Hertsius, on Flickr



    Animal by Martin Hertsius, on Flickr
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    Martin, I won't comment on the subject of "character", but the images you posted are pretty darned good. Welcome and bravo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Martin, I won't comment on the subject of "character", but the images you posted are pretty darned good. Welcome and bravo.
    Thanks Joe! Perhaps my post was a bit provocative, but I think this topic is really interesting (I do appreciate character, sometimes). Personally I think the FE gives a medium format look, because of the extremely well corrected OOF rendering.

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    Re: 55 1.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Makten View Post
    Hello all, I'm a (former) lurker that some of you might know from FM forums. I thought I'd share some thoughts about the FE 55/1.8

    This talk about "lack of character" is familiar to me, and I can think the same when I look at some images. But then it strikes me; what are my images worth if they must be given "character" from the lens? Not very much, in my opinion.
    "Lack of character" is just another way to describe perfection. Can something like a lens be too perfect? Perhaps, but probably because it reveals that the photographer isn't good enough to make the images live due to their content.

    The FE 55/1.8 is the best ~50 mm lens I've tried. Period. Of course there are many lenses that are better for this or that special purpose (including nice aberrations called character ), but overall, none comes close to the FE in being pretty darn good at everything. Add a small size, low weight and reasonable (yeah) price. What more to ask for?

    Oh, and the images. Here comes a bunch, all shot with the a7. Unfortunately the forum seems to rescale large images, so if you want to see them bigger (1500 pix wide) with greater detail, just follow the links below each photo.


    Planet by Martin Hertsius, on Flickr



    Bottles by Martin Hertsius, on Flickr



    Cargotec by Martin Hertsius, on Flickr



    Christmas trees that didn't sell by Martin Hertsius, on Flickr



    Animal by Martin Hertsius, on Flickr
    All your subjects posted here lend themselves to more faithful and acute renderings ... textures, details & patterns, shapes & geometry.

    Lenses with character may be more desirable for photographing people and expressive scenes ... which made/makes lenses like the Zeiss 110/2FE medium format lens so prized by many photographers. Each lens system usually has some lens or lenses that impart a unique character to the creative shot.

    Cool thing about this camera is that you can also use them

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    Nice shots
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    Re: 55 1.8

    Martin, as you know, I am among those unconvinced by theFE55. But short-range performance is definitely of the highest order, as your shots (plus your considerable talent) show.

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    Great catch, I like it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    All your subjects posted here lend themselves to more faithful and acute renderings ... textures, details & patterns, shapes & geometry.

    Lenses with character may be more desirable for photographing people and expressive scenes ... which made/makes lenses like the Zeiss 110/2FE medium format lens so prized by many photographers. Each lens system usually has some lens or lenses that impart a unique character to the creative shot.
    You're right Marc, and I perfectly understand the point of lenses having character. However, I also hear a lot of people whining about the FE 55 being "too clinical", whose photos would NOT benefit from character. It would just make a good excuse for them continuing digging into gear instead of concentrating at taking pictures, and now I'm absolutely not talking about anyone here on this forum.

    Why do I say this? Because I'm just as smitten with the upgrading disease as many others. Perhaps a "perfect" lens will expose my own disabilities, and that would be a good thing.

    Cool thing about this camera is that you can also use them
    Indeed! I use some old OM glass on the a7 that works very well and is very cheap.

    Quote Originally Posted by philber View Post
    Martin, as you know, I am among those unconvinced by theFE55. But short-range performance is definitely of the highest order, as your shots (plus your considerable talent) show.
    Thank you Philippe, you're always too kind.
    I'd say the FE 55 is very fine even at a bit of distance including infinity. Though; as you stated at FM, it doesn't bring out quite as many shades of color from the scene as the Z* 50/1.4 Planar does.

    What I like the most is the super soft bokeh at ~3-10 (yes, 10!) meters distance. It makes larger apertures less necessary since the isolation of the subject against the background will be fine at f/1.8. The closest I've seen to this look is from f/2.8 standard lenses on 6x4.5 format.
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    Hello all, I'm a (former) lurker that some of you might know from FM forums. I thought I'd share some thoughts about the FE 55/1.8

    This talk about "lack of character" is familiar to me, and I can think the same when I look at some images. But then it strikes me; what are my images worth if they must be given "character" from the lens? Not very much, in my opinion.
    "Lack of character" is just another way to describe perfection. Can something like a lens be too perfect? Perhaps, but probably because it reveals that the photographer isn't good enough to make the images live due to their content.




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    Nice work, love the color and texture (IMHO show character) and a picture with story - Keep them flowing Haddock
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    IMHO, obsessing about 'character' is folly. Sure, it matters to some brilliant photographers some of the time, but the truth is there are far bigger issues when it comes to making great images that make people sit up and go 'wow'. Look over images that blow you away and you will find almost all manufacturers well represented, pro lenses, cheap kit zooms etc and this included top quality images in exhibitions. Just look what some Magnum shooters use, or Moriyama, or some of the winners of major awards.

    I do have lenses that I love because they have something 'special' about them, but if an image isn't special, the blame lies squarely at my feet.

    Wonderful character in a lens adds something to an already amazing image, but I think one has to be careful not to stray into the realm of seeking out novelty or using that look as a crutch for the creatively lazy... which is why the internet is weighed down by awful images shot on Noctiluxes wide open Personally, I think the 55 Sonar looks rather beautiful. Lovely bokeh and a look that does not get in the way at all. I like that kind of neutral starting point, because you can do pretty well anything with it, rather than only a few things.
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    If I can work up the gumption to compare them I will.
    I hope you do find time to do some testing, Marc.
    Meanwhile, the 55/1.8ZA test posted at SLRCLUB shows how far away it is from perfection.

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    Meanwhile, the 55/1.8ZA test posted at SLRCLUB shows how far away it is from perfection.
    Really?! Perfection?! That's what we're expecting now from a Sony lens that costs less than $1,000? Of course the lens isn't perfect. Neither are my Leica M-system and S-system lenses that cost 3x-10x more than the Sony 55mm. But the Sony punches above its weight class, to use a boxing expression. And believe me, I'm not a Sony fanboy.

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    Looks pretty good to me...

    I am assuming that they have a 80-100mm prime in the pipeline as well. I agree that a smaller 50mm would appeal to a lot of people and perhaps we will see one of those too in due course. Zeiss (non-Sony) and other third party manufacturers will be in on this party soon. If I'm right and the Alphas sell as well as I think, the Tokinas, Tamrons, Sigmas and many more will be all over e-mount.

    If Zeiss were smart, they would consider making the new forthcoming manual lenses in M mount, with a coupled/digital adaptor for e-mount. This way you'd be able to shoot them on any Leica M as well as on E-mount cameras, with full aperture read out and communication. I assume this would be possible. Also, with retrofocal designs working brilliantly on the A7 series, presumably anything that is optically great on the A7R would also be great on the M?
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    I agree that a smaller 50mm would appeal to a lot of people and perhaps we will see one of those too in due course.
    I doubt that there will be a smaller, native ~50 mm lens. Don't know if you've seen the lens IRL, but it really isn't large at all. If one wants something smaller, there should be no problems using the ZM 50/2.

    If Zeiss were smart, they would consider making the new forthcoming manual lenses in M mount, with a coupled/digital adaptor for e-mount.
    It would also restrict them from optimizing the optical design for the Alpha cameras. The FE 55 is a good example, since the rearmost lens element is closer to the sensor than the M mount would allow. It wouldn't surprise me if they've also taken the sensor filter stack into the calculations of the design, and that would make it not work well with the much thinner filter of the M:s.

    I hope for a fastish (f/1.8) 35 mm Zeiss lens that is built like the ZM:s.
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    Good points, Makten. Maybe someone else will put out some compact/pancake lenses. A 40-50mm f2.8 pancake would make a lot of people happy.

    Personally, I am most interested in slow optically amazing and compact lenses. A slew of f4, or even f4.5 lenses will killer performance, in the 16-28mm range would be nice. The A7R needs the sort of optical performance we got used to with the likes of the 25mm ZM, 24 3.8 Elmar etc.

    I feel this 55 1.8 sonnar has the potential to be a real jack of all trades and, for many, the only fast prime they will use. I'd be happy with the rest being compact travel lenses .

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    I dont think this lens is lack of character. This lens is comparable to other modern Zeiss lens. It has a good bokeh, colours, and great sharpness and 3D look. I think the 3D look is comparable with other Zeiss. The 3D feel is even better that the 35 in RX1, 50 lux ASPH and much much better that the Zeiss 24/1.8 E mount lens. The 24 1.8, to my extent, has no Zeiss character, and I sold it immediately. The color and bokeh, is not bad, but I like the lux better. But for AF and price, I bought it and love it when I use the camera for snapshot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Really?! Perfection?!
    I did exaggerate with the term “perfection”, my apologies. FE55/1.8ZA might be the best native lens so far. I have no personal experience with Leica gear but I do shoot a lot with Sony and its (Minolta) 50/1.4 lens which is faster, lighter, smaller, focuses closer, renders OOF highlight shape better with less iris blades, and is two times cheaper. So I probably do expect a lot from Sony and 30 years of evolution.
    It’s a good lens though as Makten and others have showed what it’s capable of in creative hands.

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    Ok here are some links to some with so called 'technical (IQ)' qualities and some so called 'character qualities'. IMHO This lens equals or even surpasses my leica summilux 50/1.4 asph FLE

    55 on the A7
    Towards Westcombe | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
    A view towards Glastonbury | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
    Untitled | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
    Mud | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
    Untitled Wall | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
    & Boots | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

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    Sunlight in cedars, A7r FE55, f3.5, 1/200 + 100% crop
    Nice rendering from the lens and lots of detail

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    Makten, you make a good point. Lens character cannot be used as a crutch and too often is. However. In drawing there is a huge difference in impression between a drawing done with a regular propelling pencil and charcoal. Sometimes you want the sharp clarity. But sometimes you want to live in the dream world. Jim Collum on this forum first introduced me to the concept of using that 'soft pencil' back in the days when I was stitching for ultimate detail and resolution, with his use of the 110mm that Marc referenced, old large format lenses and pre-asph lenses. A different tool for saying a very different thing.


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    Two very different tools for very different ways of communicating. My students have many different thicknesses of pencil and charcoal in their drawers....
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