Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
A lot of folks output to Tiff and catalog in LR. I never done it but you can output to a DNG and do further work in LR. LR does have a few nice tools.
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Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support
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Ben Rubinstein
Active member
I tried the files in C1, perhaps I'm just used to the studio computer which is super fast but with the A7r files C1 is very slow on my computer, changes aren't happening in real time. ACR/LR are working fine.
Ron Pfister
Member
Could be C1's GPU-accelerated rendering? Perhaps the computer you observed this on has a much weaker GPU than the one you have in the studio?
Edit: neither LR nor ACR feature GPU-accelerated rendering (boo-hoo), so the performance difference between beefy workstations and tiny portables is often quite a bit smaller.
Ben Rubinstein
Active member
Not true actually, GPU is used a lot in ACR. It's why I bought a better video card and the previews speeded up a lot as a result. Both ACR and C1 take a couple of seconds to show the preview but only C1 lags on showing changes, i.e. redrawing. I realise that it's my computer of course. It's an old build.
Ron Pfister
Member
Really? :bugeyes: Is this new in PS/ACR CC? It certainly isn't in CS6 or any version of LR. This performance test has some info with this respect in the discussion:
Lightroom 4 and 5 Hardware Performance Test: Single vs Dual CPUs, Hard Drive Configurations, Previews and More!
Edit: I should add that to my knowledge, LR and ACR use the same rendering engine, and I would be *highly* surprised if one was GPU-accelerated and the other wasn't. Entirely different coding paradigm.
Are you sure left is LR, right is C1 ... ?Capture 1 really outperforms LR in my opinion
100% crop from jaggies (less pronounced on C1 and better details overall):
And a detail just in front of the focus area, better details out of C1
Better transitions too.
Hope this comparison will survive the print screen/jpeg/internet thing.
Oh yes, left shot from LR, right from C1...
In both cases the left one looks slightly better
- Marc
Same here.
I've been using the Adobe DNG converter, then LR-4.
- Marc
Quick Example:
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Huh? Have you looked at the red on blue cross?Are you sure left is LR, right is C1 ... ?
In both cases the left one looks slightly better
- Marc
Or perhaps it's because I'm looking on my phone?
Kind regards,
Gerald.
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
I like it as well. Not sure why folks think its clunky. To me its very intuitive.
i've been using C1 since the M8 came out and it is my go to converter. takes a bit to get into the mindset and vocabulary of the programmers, but it is now quite easy for me to get done what i want.
the "sessions" concept drives many over the edge, but i use it and i think the confusion is mainly due to semantics.
I see the site opening page now has some tips from Doug, which I applaud
the "sessions" concept drives many over the edge, but i use it and i think the confusion is mainly due to semantics.
I see the site opening page now has some tips from Doug, which I applaud
Capture One vs. Lightroom with A7R...
Source files are taken from imaging-resource.
C1 shows noticably less Moire and Aliasing.
Or in other words... C1 extracts finer details.
A7R - Aliasing + Moire - C1 above, LR below:
A7R - Moire - C1 above, LR in the middle, below C1 again with Moire correction applied:
Moire is mostly only present in 2 of the 3 color chanels. You can use the unaffected color chanel to do a pretty much lossless restoration.
Here's the green chanel of the A7 (non-R this time) processed in C1 and LR. As you can see the green chanel of the C1 file is very good usable for moire restoration. In LR all three color chanels show moire:
Source files are taken from imaging-resource.
C1 shows noticably less Moire and Aliasing.
Or in other words... C1 extracts finer details.
A7R - Aliasing + Moire - C1 above, LR below:
A7R - Moire - C1 above, LR in the middle, below C1 again with Moire correction applied:
Moire is mostly only present in 2 of the 3 color chanels. You can use the unaffected color chanel to do a pretty much lossless restoration.
Here's the green chanel of the A7 (non-R this time) processed in C1 and LR. As you can see the green chanel of the C1 file is very good usable for moire restoration. In LR all three color chanels show moire:
Yes Marc,Are you sure left is LR, right is C1 ... ?
In both cases the left one looks slightly better
- Marc
My goal here was based on checking details only: how far can we push the fine details in both LR & C1 before artefacts become unacceptable ?
IMO the C1 file clearly wins.
For the rest, the left LR file also looks too soft and 2D to my taste. The C1 has too much contrast however, but that was not the point of showing those crops.
If your remark is also based on details then I'm really surprised
Nope, we're at least 2.
Using LR for 3 weeks now for the A7r and am very happy to go back to C1.
The one and only thing I'll miss is the highlights recovery of LR, something C1 should still improve.
3.
The user customizable workspaces in conjunction with customizable keyboard shortcurts alone make C1 so much faster and more convenient to work with ...
Ron Pfister
Member
Thanks for posting these, Thomas. Quite a difference! I've been seeing the LR/ACR artifacts in DPR resolution tests, then. Been wondering for a while whether that could be improved upon during RAW conversion. Thanks for providing the answer!
scho
Well-known member
Not that unusual. I still remember the frustration with Adobe LR/ACR trying to translate Fuji X sensor raw data and the horrible looking "water color" landscape images.