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    Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    My very quick initial test shows much reduced jaggies. Here's a sample - the full image, then Lightroom, then Capture One. Look a the lettering on the blue sign that says 'One'...
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Looks promising, Mike. Do you have any shots with diagonal lines?

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    Looks promising, Mike. Do you have any shots with diagonal lines?
    Here's the only one I could find (quickly) that shows the effect. Definitely better. (LR first, then C1)
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Yippee !

    But what about the E-M1 ? Is that supported too ?

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    But what about the E-M1 ? Is that supported too ?
    Yes!

    From the release notes:

    Camera file support
    Canon 70D, 100D/Rebel SL1, G16 and S120.
    Fujifilm X-E2.
    Leica X2 and V-Lux 4.
    Nikon D610, D5300, DF, 1 AW1, P330, P7800 and P7700.
    Olympus E-M1.
    Panasonic GX7 (preliminary), FZ72, FZ150, FZ200 and LF1.
    Pentax K50, Q10 and Q7.
    Sony A7R, A7, RX1R (improved) and RX10.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Damn Mike you beat me too it. Thanks and perfect timing for me as I start shooting today with the A7r. Now I can really evaluate it.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    Here's the only one I could find (quickly) that shows the effect. Definitely better. (LR first, then C1)
    Colors (green) seem to me everywhere on the brass in the 2nd image.

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Colors (green) seem to me everywhere on the brass in the 2nd image.
    Perhaps reflections of other green construction elements? Missing in LR due to CA-removal? Just guesses...

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    Perhaps reflections of other green construction elements? Missing in LR due to CA-removal? Just guesses...
    Great guess! Check these out; first the default settings, then with CA removal.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    i am excited! now all me cams can be done in C1!
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    I'm more than excited it makes it viable for me
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    Great guess! Check these out; first the default settings, then with CA removal.
    Which one is the LR one now?

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Both.

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Which one is the LR one now?
    They are both C1 - one with CA removal, one without.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Both LR, one with CA-removal, the other without (as far as I understood).

    Edit: please ignore - sorry, missed your post, Mike (refresh).

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Mike how is C1 looking in general. I have no files yet
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Mike how is C1 looking in general. I have no files yet
    I use Lightroom primarily, but I've always gone to C1 to get the most from my critical/important work. It's not as polished as LR (i.e. its cataloging features), but it seems to pull every last bit of quality from your files.

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    downloading right now

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    At first shot C1 looks better but I have fiddled with sharpening routines and by the time you have something superficially similar in both programs, in terms of sharpening settings, the results look quite similar. I reckon approx LR 45/0.8/70/10 is very similar to C1. Usually in LR for a non AA camera I use 60/0.7/70/20 but with A7R I have gone for 50/0.6/70/20.

    Jaggies look quite a bit better in C1. But it is so hard to make a judgement because the parametric choices are different in each program as are the scales. One seems to do edge detail better, the other fine texture and so on. But there is less 'orange peel' in the C1 file than in the LR file processed as described. Transitions are another matter: they are much smoother in C1 as far as I can see at first look. In fact, you have to remove all sharpening in LR before it looks as smooth in OOF areas and transitions as does the fully sharpened C1.

    I am still trying to see if there's a trick involved in C1 that makes it look superficially better but I suspect that it is just - better.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Bias view C1 smokes LR in every camera I ever used. Period

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Bias view C1 smokes LR in every camera I ever used. Period

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    BUT the UI suxx
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Adjust. LOL
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Just testing your flame suit…

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Bias view C1 smokes LR in every camera I ever used. Period

    Flame suit on
    Not buying.

    I believe you, Guy but I am not buying C1.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    I'm with the C1 UI Sucks crowd: it may be better at decoding RAW files but it is the most irritating piece of software I ever have to use with any regularity.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    I'm with the C1 UI Sucks crowd: it may be better at decoding RAW files but it is the most irritating piece of software I ever have to use with any regularity.
    I'd say a perfect match to the A7r ...
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    You just have to be a little twisted artist and it just flows. Lol
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    I'm with the C1 UI Sucks crowd: it may be better at decoding RAW files but it is the most irritating piece of software I ever have to use with any regularity.
    Unfortunately I could not agree more!!!
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    I'm with the C1 UI Sucks crowd: it may be better at decoding RAW files but it is the most irritating piece of software I ever have to use with any regularity.
    Hmm, you can't have used Nikon Capture NX/NX2 too then

    And in response to Guy, I still reckon NX2 does better with Nikon files than either C1 Pro or LR/ACR but it's a PIA to use, especially if you're already invested in a different converter and workflow.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Nikon Capture NX2 doesn't seem to be too bad if one uses it only for the RAW conversion and then hands over a tif file to CS6. Same for C1Pro7.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    I'd say a perfect match to the A7r ...
    If the C1 software is as irritating as the camera, it must be perfect

    Downloading the trial right now
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    I somehow find the skin tone on lightroom looks more pleasing. Anyone feels the same?

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Capture 1 really outperforms LR in my opinion

    100% crop from jaggies (less pronounced on C1 and better details overall):


    And a detail just in front of the focus area, better details out of C1


    Better transitions too.
    Hope this comparison will survive the print screen/jpeg/internet thing.

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    I've not seen any jaggies but I'm converting to DNG to use with CS5, am I doing something wrong that I don't have a problem?
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    i use C1 because i use Phase and am used to it and it works great; oblique as it may be, i have come to grips, and now i can use if for EM-1, A7R, leica and Phase. on the odd time i use LR, i feel like i can only speak baby talk. have also run Phocus, another lumpy one, or the Sigma raw processor

    if you want to try a really tough UI, try Silverfast ;(
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Just downloaded it and processed a few A7r files all the way up to 1600 iso. Very impressive - mostly with how C1 handles noise which has always been one of its hallmarks. So..... I'm a happy camper - so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    if you want to try a really tough UI, try Silverfast ;(
    +1 on this one! And have you ever tried to un-install it? Quite a mess...

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    Just downloaded it and processed a few A7r files all the way up to 1600 iso. Very impressive - mostly with how C1 handles noise which has always been one of its hallmarks. So..... I'm a happy camper - so far.
    You will find it does a very nice job on , noise , detail and once you learn the program and start using color editor and adjustment layers its really hard to ignore it. Sure it does not have great cataloging like LR but end of day what are we really after and that is the best files you can produce, the rest of the stuff is just fluff. There are many tricks to C1 like I put all my essential tools in 1 tab and I don't have to go to far elsewhere.

    As you can see a couple images posted above with nice detail no jaggies and such. You can even stitch panos from within right to photoshop. It is just not a fun learning curve.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    I agree Guy, my dirty secret is that I use LR for all imports but if I feel an image really matters, I will trip it through C1 and output to TIFF for re-import to LR where it will live catalogue-wise. On many cameras it seems not to matter but sometimes one comes along, like the A7R, where it really does seem to make a difference.

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    A lot of folks output to Tiff and catalog in LR. I never done it but you can output to a DNG and do further work in LR. LR does have a few nice tools.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    I tried the files in C1, perhaps I'm just used to the studio computer which is super fast but with the A7r files C1 is very slow on my computer, changes aren't happening in real time. ACR/LR are working fine.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I tried the files in C1, perhaps I'm just used to the studio computer which is super fast but with the A7r files C1 is very slow on my computer, changes aren't happening in real time. ACR/LR are working fine.
    Could be C1's GPU-accelerated rendering? Perhaps the computer you observed this on has a much weaker GPU than the one you have in the studio?

    Edit: neither LR nor ACR feature GPU-accelerated rendering (boo-hoo), so the performance difference between beefy workstations and tiny portables is often quite a bit smaller.

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Not true actually, GPU is used a lot in ACR. It's why I bought a better video card and the previews speeded up a lot as a result. Both ACR and C1 take a couple of seconds to show the preview but only C1 lags on showing changes, i.e. redrawing. I realise that it's my computer of course. It's an old build.
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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Not true actually, GPU is used a lot in ACR. It's why I bought a better video card and the previews speeded up a lot as a result.
    Really? Is this new in PS/ACR CC? It certainly isn't in CS6 or any version of LR. This performance test has some info with this respect in the discussion:

    Lightroom 4 and 5 Hardware Performance Test: Single vs Dual CPUs, Hard Drive Configurations, Previews and More!

    Edit: I should add that to my knowledge, LR and ACR use the same rendering engine, and I would be *highly* surprised if one was GPU-accelerated and the other wasn't. Entirely different coding paradigm.

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by anGy View Post
    Capture 1 really outperforms LR in my opinion

    100% crop from jaggies (less pronounced on C1 and better details overall):


    And a detail just in front of the focus area, better details out of C1


    Better transitions too.
    Hope this comparison will survive the print screen/jpeg/internet thing.

    Oh yes, left shot from LR, right from C1...
    Are you sure left is LR, right is C1 ... ?

    In both cases the left one looks slightly better

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I've not seen any jaggies but I'm converting to DNG to use with CS5, am I doing something wrong that I don't have a problem?
    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Are you sure left is LR, right is C1 ... ?

    In both cases the left one looks slightly better

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post

    It is just not a fun learning curve.
    I've had a lot of practice.... been using C1 since version 1.

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    Re: Capture One 7.16 adds A7(r) support

    Am I the only one that actually prefers the UI and workflow in C1? Well I am Canadian and have been using it since v3.

    Just tried some A7R files with 35FE. Look great. The lens does not have a profile, but the generic one lets you address most basic issues.

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