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    Help need flash

    So I do need a portable flash for the 7 and 7R. I could buy the Sony unit but was wondering what Metz or other brand is designed for these new breeds.
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    Re: Help need flash

    This is a bit of problem area with Sony at the moment, Guy.

    I would strongly suggest that get one of the tiny HVL-F20AM (new one with the correct foot). This is quite useful despite its size and lack of juice.

    I do not know about the others since Sony changed the flash mount with the NEX-6 and the A99.

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    Re: Help need flash

    I've got the HVL-F20AM as well (old version for NEX-7), and I'm quite happy with it. The flash metering on the NEX-7 is very poor, though. Vivek, has this improved with the A7R? I'm waiting for the Sony hotshoe adapter to arrive so i can use the flash on the A7R.

    Having said that, any flash should work with the current hotshoe design, but the functionality will obviously be restricted. But if the A7R is anything like the NEX-7 in terms of flash metering, you may as well adjust flash power manually...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Pfister View Post
    I've got the HVL-F20AM as well (old version for NEX-7), and I'm quite happy with it. The flash metering on the NEX-7 is very poor, though. Vivek, has this improved with the A7R? I'm waiting for the Sony hotshoe adapter to arrive so i can use the flash on the A7R.
    Ron,

    This is the way I set up the flash on NEX and the A7R (I have the flash adapter for the new foot), in general.

    1. Rear curtain.

    2. Metering is always center weighted (for any and every shot, regardless of flash).

    3. Flash compensation is brought up and ready to use.

    I find the A7R + HVL-F20AM working well in the fill flash mode. Compared to the NEX-7 (terrible camera, in my hands), the A7R is better by several orders of magnitude, particularly when it comes to flash and exposures.

    Having been familiar with Nikon's iTTL, I think Sony's is not far behind.

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    Re: Help need flash

    Yea this one is a tough one as the info is weak. I'm going to research it there is one for around 350 dollars that I was looking at. Going on computer now to research better. IPad makes it too hard.

    BTW I'm all in and ordering a 7 too. MY D800 sold. Figure have both for different needs . A7 is my AF cam for PR and A7r replaces the D800 for advertising and landscape work. Bottom line a d600 and D800e package in a different skin . I like the files better. Okay off to order the A7 and flash search
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Having been familiar with Nikon's iTTL, I think Sony's is not far behind.
    Well, that's very encouraging to hear! Nikon's TTL metering implementation is the best I've used by quite some margin...

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    Re: Help need flash

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yea this one is a tough one as the info is weak. I'm going to research it there is one for around 350 dollars that I was looking at. Going on computer now to research better. IPad makes it too hard.

    BTW I'm all in and ordering a 7 too. MY D800 sold. Figure have both for different needs . A7 is my AF cam for PR and A7r replaces the D800 for advertising and landscape work. Bottom line a d600 and D800e package in a different skin . I like the files better. Okay off to order the A7 and flash search
    Congrats on both cameras... I did the same thing with both the A7 and A7r.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    BTW I'm all in and ordering a 7 too. MY D800 sold. Figure have both for different needs . A7 is my AF cam for PR and A7r replaces the D800 for advertising and landscape work. Bottom line a d600 and D800e package in a different skin . I like the files better. Okay off to order the A7 and flash search
    I would also consider selling my 800e but am really worried about attaching a 2 or 3lb lens on the little A7r. The Nikon is built for those lenses....

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    Re: Help need flash

    I figure at 200 they all have lens feet. My Zeiss 135 F2 was just fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    My Zeiss 135 F2 was just fine
    That's the only lens I'm concerned about. Its about 2 lbs. and on my radar screen.

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    Re: Help need flash

    While I have a dedicated flash unit for Olympus-Panasonic bodies, I find I mostly just fit a non-dedicated RF trigger and drive my usual collection of simple, manual flash units. I only take advantage of the dedicated flash unit when I want HSS for daylight fill at shorter exposure times.

    Same strategy should work fine for the Sony A7, no?

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    Re: Help need flash

    No, not really. TTL flash has its own advantages.

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    Re: Help need flash

    BTW, Guy, avoid the newest Sony flash, HVL-60 something. It is beset with overheating problems and should be replaced soon.

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    Re: Help need flash

    Not when your running around doing grip and grin crap just not convenient for me at least. Many times I have a dedicated remote cord. I don't really need ttl though and must have manual override with power control
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    Thanks Vivek I read that also
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    Re: Help need flash

    Guy, I just got a small flash w/manual to use as an optical trigger, and use my normal flashes as strobes. Never liked using a flash on the camera and any thing decent power to cover FF will be a monster on A7R.

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    Yea i could do that as well.
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    Re: Help need flash

    We need Marc to chime in here because he is really versed in Sony flash, but I'll tell you that I use the HVL-20. It can be used alone, or it can become the commander for my HVL-43 and HVL-60 flashes used remotely. It fits in a small bag almost un-noticed. The 43 would work on the A7/A7r body only, but I find my 60 to be too top heavy for me to use directly on the A7r without the grip. I always set FEC at -1 on both of my Sony's (A7r and A99) for fill flash. The beauty of the HVL-20 is that it can be flipped down when not in use. You can meter for the background in M mode, then flip it up and take the shot (flipping it up turns it on), and you get a natural looking fill.
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    Re: Help need flash

    I might just grab that as a additional one . Not a bad idea since i lost my built in frommy Nikon which I actually used at times. Than get a bigger one as well
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    Which flashes automatically set the EVF exposure preview to off and then back on when the flash is inactive? Drives me nuts that you cannot store EVF preview setting with a custom exposure mode (I have C2 set for on camera flash) and on a customizable button. Have to dig through menus again and again.

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    I purchased the newer version HVL-20M. For what it is -- works fine. Very light and small-- decent fill bounce in a small room. Can regulate intensity of flash in camera but few options on the flash. Not even an off and on switch Cannot tilt for portrait mode.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    This is a bit of problem area with Sony at the moment, Guy.

    I would strongly suggest that get one of the tiny HVL-F20AM (new one with the correct foot). This is quite useful despite its size and lack of juice.

    I do not know about the others since Sony changed the flash mount with the NEX-6 and the A99.

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    Don't know if this helps but I purchased a Nissin DI-866 Mark II for my nex-7 and it works very well in TTL mode. It has the dedicated Sony shoe but an adapter is available. Hopefully It would be compatible with the A7 and A7r as well.
    Shutterbug review here:
    Nissin Di866 Mark II: A Versatile Shoe-Mount Flash | Shutterbug
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    Thanks they look pretty good too but around the same price it seems
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