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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by dave92029 View Post
    The 24-70mm f4 has been tested, and then tested again, and again. :dh2:

    After, these many tests, is anyone else ready to step forward and admit that, just maybe the Kit lens is really good enough, and that the 24-70mm is not worth 4x the price?
    I have both. The Zeiss 24-70mm arrived yesterday.

    My copy of the kit lens is poor. From preliminary testing, the Zeiss is in a whole different league. For me, it's worth the extra money and then some.
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Just for grins...a size comparison





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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Tried a quick shot with a friends 24-70mm [email protected] vs. my old Olympus 24mm f/2.8 @f/4
    Center & Edge
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    Center:

    Sony:

    Olympus:

    CA in Oly was correctible with one click in LR. Note barrel distortion in Sony
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    You can use the Sony 28-70 FE lens profile in LR and get some decent correction

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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    My copy of the kit lens is poor. From preliminary testing, the Zeiss is in a whole different league.
    Exactly my experience. The kit lens was pretty awful; the 24-70 looks great so far.

    Here's a very boring snap in my living room, 24mm, wide open - full frame and center crop. I'm very happy.




    I used the new Adobe profile for the lens.
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Shane, the son of a friend of mine, shot with the A7R, Zeiss 24-70mm F/4 @ ISO 6400, 1/10 sec , F4. Some LR NR.

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    GREAT shot Quentin - no one should doubt the capabilities of this lens and camera combo, but it really helps when you're such a good photographer!
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Tim, very kind, thanks - camera and lens a very versatile combo. thanks for your tireless efforts testing, I am afraid I lose patience too quickly if a lens disappoints! I took about 3 shots with the kit lens before consigning it to paperweight duties
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    Great shot for sure and the lens did what asked of it.
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    It only took me two copies of the FE 24-70mm zoom to get what I think is a representative example of what the lens is capable of. The performance is really excellent throughout the frame from 35mm to 70mm, including the corners. At 24mm, the good copy is very sharp in the central part of the frame but just ok in the corners. (I have not had time to test it at 28mm.) This is generally consistent with what Tim and others have reported (Thank You!)
    I am not an experienced lens tester. The "bad" copy is not really bad. I must say that if I did not have two copes of the lens to test against each other, I might have assumed that the "bad" copy was consistent with the optical potential of the lens, and I would have just returned it and moved on.
    Addendum: The Sony Store has mistakenly just delivered two additional copies of the lens to my home. I guess I might as well take a look!
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    So you have 4 total
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    So you have 4 total
    Only 3 now. The "bad" copy is on its way back to Sony.

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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Hmmm. You should see how the other 2 are and see if any members might want to buy them or trade for something you need. Just a passing thought. I'm tempted to sell my A7 as it sits around but it's also the backup. Not sure what to do on that .

    Just thinking out loud
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Hmmm. You should see how the other 2 are and see if any members might want to buy them or trade for something you need. Just a passing thought. I'm tempted to sell my A7 as it sits around but it's also the backup. Not sure what to do on that .

    Just thinking out loud
    Guy, you're not just thinking out loud, but I suspect those "wheels are turning" Possibly have two A7r's or a full frame Sony DSLR to go along with your A7r?

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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Hmmm. You should see how the other 2 are and see if any members might want to buy them or trade for something you need. Just a passing thought. I'm tempted to sell my A7 as it sits around but it's also the backup. Not sure what to do on that .

    Just thinking out loud
    well, if you want to dump it for a song, I might be interesting in singing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    well, if you want to dump it for a song, I might be interesting in singing...
    That sounds about right, as I think the A7r would warrant a song and a dance.. and A7 is a bit cheaper

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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Im thinking several things. I was actually thinking a RX-10 or A6000
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    BTW just went to camera store and looked at the 24-70. Seems nice and well balanced on the A7 series.
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Im thinking several things. I was actually thinking a RX-10
    RX-10 ? !

    Nobody seems to admit to having one, but they look like fun to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Im thinking several things. I was actually thinking a RX-10 or A6000
    We must be thinking the same thing. I shot an RX10 at my local shop, and I have an RX100ii so I know what the files are like. Was re-reading some reviews last night. For me, the attraction of the RX10 is being able to go back and forth between stills and video seamlessly, as well as silent shooting. The 1" sensor punches above its weight, and I believe the RX10 takes the same battery as the A7(r). It is a no muss/no fuss solution. The resulting files from my camera store testing (this was when I bought the A7) were pretty favorable. Far from FF, but if you squint a bit they're in the ballpark. I think it is about equal to u43 depending on the details - close at least.

    The a6000 may be an interesting choice as well.

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    Good Oh!
    Thank you Guy, now it seems we are allowed to admit to being interested in the RX10 . . .
    Todd - you must get one and add it to your nice size comparison.
    I'll buy one and sell everything except the M . . . Who's going to start the 'fun with the RX-10' thread?

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    Don't hate the players, hate the game!

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    Actually the RX-10 looks pretty interesting for video for sure and I do have a video gig coming up. Also and i need to read more about it is tracking models walking down a runway. Right now I need the 70-200 FE to actually do that better than I did in January. The ZA adapter is great but the focusing AF points don't get to where I need it to be. I don't know if the RX 10 does either and have to look at it. But more importantly is this really is a backup if i hit a A7r failure and selling the A7 gets me the 24-70right now. Big ifs here so its worth research to see what makes sense but yea like to hear more on the RX-10. The dang A6000 looks real interesting too and maybe better with a 70-200 FE. Im in the air on the secondary cam. Primary is the A7r and real happy with that
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by jlindstrom View Post
    Don't hate the players, hate the game!

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    I think he's hating the venue Juha . . .

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    As long as I have someone to blame other than myself I'm good to go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    As long as I have someone to blame other than myself I'm good to go...
    Im running out of people to blame. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I think he's hating the venue Juha . . .
    Well, that's cute. He can live with the players and the sport, but dislikes the surroundings.. Can't even think of a suitable sports analogy!

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    I'm just still confused from this weekend. It rained in LA. It never rains in California - the girls only warn you...

    Messed with the RX10 at the local shop. They are doing a "no sales tax" promo which around here is about a 10% savings. Handling is nice, AF is snappier than the A7r (shot them back to back in the shop). Files aren't as nice but such is physics. Having the constant 2.8 is nice and you can get some subject separation at the long end without much problem. Video is good enough for govt work. Thinking maybe the RX100ii would go as I'd then take the RX1r as a "pocket" camera (or use my iPhone). The downside to the RX100ii is then lens quickly gets slow so once you're beyond 35mm you lose AF performance, etc. So while I can shoot at 100mm, it has to be in good light. The alternative is shooting the RX1r @ 35mm and cropping to get rough the same effect. The RX10 @ 200/2.8 was pretty well behaved.

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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Nostatic,

    What exactly is it that you're looking for this 2nd camera to do for you?

    I messed with the RX10 at my local shop yesterday. The only reason that I'm considering it is for videos of the little munchkin. On the other hand, I think I'll get an AF lens for my A7r (the 55) and see if that works.

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    A good question. The A7r certainly is the go-to still cam when I want ultimate resolution or low light capability (assuming I'm not too worried about AF). There are occasions when I can't use it though. For instance, if there is a video shoot or discussion going on, the A7r shutter will disrupt things. I've had it happen, so I needed to find a silent partner. I had the RX100ii and that will go silent but has limits. I managed to find a used RX1r and that is the current "solution" - it'll shoot silent, still give me gorgeous FF files, and will do video as well. The only downside to it is lack of an EVF. I could buy the external one, but then it becomes a bit of a kludge.

    Upside to the RX10 is a good 2.8 zoom, silent shooting, video capability, and no messing about. Downside is 1" sensor vs FF - once you've been to the city, hard to go back to the farm. I'm trying to minimize my gear and be reasonably efficient. I could live with A7r and RX1r, and keep the RX100ii for shooting longer (assuming good light). But not sure I really need a pocket camera, and the RX1r isn't that much larger - though it will certainly not fit in my pants pocket.

    The other thing I'm trying to solve is having a longer lens to shoot sometimes. Right now I top out at 70mm on the A7r, and the 70-200/4 is just too big/heavy for my taste. At that point, might as well drag the 6D out. So the RX10 could cover that angle - again, if I can come to terms with less-than-FF files now that I'm spoiled.
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Im running out of people to blame. LOL
    You can always blame me Guy - everybody else does . . . . . . . . . we could join forces to see if we can persuade Todd to buy an RX-10

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    once you've been to the city, hard to go back to the farm.
    No Todd . . . once you've been to the farm it's hard to go back to the city .

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    Sorry we've taken this thread slightly OT, but Nostatic and I are pondering some of the same things. If anyone wants to chime in on how the 24-70 does with video on the A7 or A7r, we could pull this on topic and I'd be interested.

    Nostatic, yes I also have an RX100 and it does really well with video of the munchkin. The 1.8 lens is a real plus, but as you mentioned, the max aperture increase too quickly if you try and zoom in. I don't have an RX1, so don't know how that will work for me.

    The RX10 would be great around the house for video, but I'll always want the A7r with me when I leave the house because if I don't have it I will surely see something that will make me wish that I did. I was hoping the RX10 would feel more compact, but it's not and it's hard for me to imagine running around with the A7r and RX10. I'm a still shooter first and will always want to have the ability to take great stills with me and the A7r files have spoiled me. I think if I had an RX1, I would throw that in my bag to be my "silent shooter" along with the A7r. My feeling on the RX10 after playing with it is that it's too big to take along as a second camera, although I love the concept.
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    My quick and dirty video with the 24-70 indicates it is well behaved on the A7r. Downside is that AF gets slower as you zoom, so it can have a tendency to hunt at 70mm. I think the RX10 is a better AF camera for vid in that regard (plus the wider DoF helps). I started another thread to unhijack this one
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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Good Oh!
    Thank you Guy, now it seems we are allowed to admit to being interested in the RX10 . . .
    Todd - you must get one and add it to your nice size comparison.
    I'll buy one and sell everything except the M . . . Who's going to start the 'fun with the RX-10' thread?
    I'd start a fun with A6000 thread when mine comes, but, it'd just be "moved". . . I've fondled the RX10 a few times.

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    Ok, I shot more video and stills tonight in a low light church. The 24-70/4 is a keeper for video. Handheld was totally usable, AF was well behaved. The RX1r is surprisingly good for video as well. But any indecision about the zoom is gone now. Yes, I prefer the primes for stills, but the lack of OSS makes handheld video next to impossible. The 24-70 solves that problem.

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    Certainly sound like a good lens for video but for stills it is just to slow for me as I need to be able to stop movement with high shutter speeds and for this OSS is really not of any use in this focal length range. I can see it as a good 'out for a walk' landscape or general use lens in good light

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    Re: Sony 24-70 F4 Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Viramati View Post
    Certainly sound like a good lens for video but for stills it is just to slow for me as I need to be able to stop movement with high shutter speeds and for this OSS is really not of any use in this focal length range. I can see it as a good 'out for a walk' landscape or general use lens in good light

    So one stop (from f4 to 2.8) makes all that difference? How was it when usable ISO was like 400 and not 6400...
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