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    DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Clearly these people are on something - or another planet.

    Some highlights that form their 'silver' award conclusion.

    "JPEG quality disappointing compared to peers – crude sharpening, over-aggressive processing, and occasional posterization."

    I don't believe in these lower-class formats, it's RAW only if you are a real photographer!

    "Charging via USB can be convenient"

    Yes, I am sure a busy professional can wait 360 minutes for his/her battery to be charged in the camera one at a time. Very convenient indeed.

    "Solid Wi-Fi system allows for remote shooting, easy photo sharing; NFC a plus"

    Absolutely essential feature, you will never improve as a photographer without a WiFi enabled camera. Well done, DPreview for spotting that.

    Optional battery grip

    See! That's what makes it a professional camera!

    "No in-camera Raw conversion"

    Oh, so you do know what RAW is? But clearly do not understand that post-processing RAW on your camera is a total waste of time.

    "While Sony has provided tools for focusing these old lenses - such as magnified view and focus peaking - they don't work as well as we'd hoped"

    We are talking about the same camera, here, right? The A7? The Sony A7?


    I'll let you form your own conclusions if my judgement is a tad harsh.

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Not the first time I have been taken aback by one of their reviews. This is the best camera for manual focusing ever. The rest of those comments I could care less. Clueless. It's not a perfect camera, I admit. It only beats Canon and Nikon.
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    LOL! DPReview reviews are infotainment more than anything else. I read them for the pretty pictures and the (usually mostly correct) spec sheets. ;-)

    I bought the A7 for the specific desire to use with my Leica R and Nikkor lenses, maybe a couple of M-mount lenses. Don't have any E or FE lenses, won't buy any.

    The mount adapters for Leica R arrived yesterday, the Nikon F mount adapter today. Only had time to just fit the Summicron-R 90mm last night ... felt good. I may have to buy the grip for the larger, heavier lenses for the camera to balance nicely.

    It seems a mite clunky to look at and the control ergonomics are nowhere near the level of the Olympus E-M1, but overall it should be a fine performer for my purposes. My lovely old Leicaflex SL lenses have a digital home ... :-)

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    I'm a profoundly lazy shooter. In just a few days the A7 has made me actually happy to manually focus. Nice big EVF + focus peaking = easy.
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    Good points by OP. I actually like imaging-resource.com better for camera reviews, especially their opinion (even if subjective) on IQ based on actual print quality at various sizes.

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    I voted with my wallet, and made the a7r my 2013 camera of the year.

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    It does seem DPReview is a bit extra harsh on Sony. One always needs to take these reviews with a grain of salt but hopefully some of these issues can be addressed with a firmware update. I think it is appropriate to take digs at Sony for not including a battery charger.

    All I know is I've had many, many cameras and this and the a7r hit more spots than any camera ever.

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    The review isn't THAT far off

    Focus peaking and magnification are wonderful when using a tripod but hand held - not so good. Start up time and autofocus - nothing to write home about. RAW is really good but lossy compression ?! JPG quality is abysmal. Third party adapters are hit and miss (mostly miss); I got the A7R to use with my Canon TS-E 24 and the Metabones is junk, and battery life is dreadful as are the controls.

    Yes it's a technical feat to have a full frame mirrorless this small but the camera feels rushed and feels more like a toy - lots of room for improvement !

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    My Metabones Smart III with the 24TSE II works wonderful!

    Can you blame Sony when adaptors are bad?

    JPEG, what's that??

    Auto ISO??? With M Mode: Perfect!

    Focus peaking, magnification: I love it! (Has anyone (the reviewer) tried to focus a Noctilux wide open on a Leica M in a low contrast scene with the eye to be sharp not in the middle??)
    Can a firmware update make it even better? Yes!

    What kind of photographer has this review in mind?
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    JPEGs, who cares? Such a camera is not about Jpegs. If you want fast and convenient, get an EM-1, or D610/6D or.... If you want massive technical image quality in a tiny package, the A7/A7R is special.

    Lossy compression maybe, but my files, even when heavily worked look spectacular quite frankly. There's all this talk about lossy compression being a problem and I agree Sony should give us lossless as an option, but I do not see the actual problem in use.

    I think DP Review has failed to recognise the areas where the A7/R break new ground.

    Manual focus implementation is superb, the lens options are endless and while not every lens in the universe works perfectly, who else allows you to use a 17 TS-E and a 90 Elmarit-M, an 85 1.2 L II, a CV 35 II, a 24 Summilux etc on the same body? Oh, and a super lightweight 35 FE sonnar if you fancy AF?

    And yes, Auto ISO with M mode is superb. Use it all the time.
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Maybe it's the brutal cold - or I'm just a kurmudgeon but I'm really starting to dislike the A7R. I'll give you a pass on not using JPG but the metabones is CRAP. The adapter to camera mount has rotational play, the lens to adapter mount is way too tight, and the lens doesn't line up square on the adapter and makes stitching a real pain in the ***. The fresh battery dies on me every day - but I'm not buying a spare because I resort to shooting my MF film camera and get better shots

    I do like the manual focus feature - it's brilliant - but only on a tripod.

    Maybe I should just come out of the closet and say I hate digital
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    lol - I can say CRAP but not a-s-s ?! Guy - WTF ?

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    I think the DPReview is exactly what you would expect from the auto everything generation. Ditto the article there about using manual lenses on the camera. I agree with a lot he says but where I see a challenge and an opportunity, the review there is just one non stop winge. No peaking isn't as good as it might be. Neither is magnification or the position of the C2 button. Yes this is stuff that could really do with firmware updates however I wonder why they dump the winge on the sony but were so excited about the first and equally as flawed first iterations of the Fuji X cameras.
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    Well pozzello, it seems your objections are mainly with the Metabones adaptor and digital....

    As for batteries, you can get perfect third party clones for about $15, so I'm not sure its a show stopper.

    I agree that a CRF is better for manual focus much of the time, except on one occassion: when your lens/aperture combo has shallow DOF and the focus target is off centre. Here, the Sony is rather handy... and you can achieve far more critical focus than with a manual screen on any DSLR without using live view. The Sony's MF aint perfect, but it scores heavily ove most other systems in a number of key areas, but as always, it depends on usage and YMMV.
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    Everyone has their factors that are placed most important, and no product is perfect. Product design is an exercise in compromise, so the user has to find the best "fit" and go from there. One can either get a tool and learn to live with it, or fight it and then get a different tool. This analogy is apt in a number of areas (as a musician, this is common with instruments).

    The DP reviews are designed to be all things to all people, so no camera will fare especially well. It really comes down to bias on the part of the reviewer wrt which shortcomings are emphasized and which are downplayed. And often, for an endeavor such as photography which has art and science mixed in, the art and ergonomics don't really have good metrics so a review can't speak to that. We're left with science which doesn't really tell a very good story from a user perspective. But it does allow people to argue ad nauseum on the inter webs

    My wife shot the A7 back to back with her 6D and she liked the size and weight of the A7 but preferred the look of the 6D files. So for shooting her art work, 6D stays. Case closed. I am struggling a bit with the A7 but that is due to my habits and shortcomings. I briefly had an EM1 which is almost universally praised but shooting it didn't really thrill me. Yes, it was fast, idiot-proof (important for me), and IBIS enables shots that really shouldn't be possible. But I wasn't moved by the resulting files, and for whatever reason it wasn't fun.

    Contrast that to the A7. No IBIS with the 55/1.8 lens, comparatively loud shutter, some blur in images at 1/60 handheld, silly battery system, etc. I probably have less "hits", but the ones that are right look really good. And for whatever reason (maybe because it is the newest/shiniest toy), it is fun to use. Frankly my GH3 produces images that are often on par depending on the conditions. The AF is quick, the 12-35/2.8 and 35-100/2.8 combo covers a lot. And it is indeed a great workhorse. I can shoot 2 hours of video non-stop and really don't have to pay much attention shooting stills. But maybe that is part of what I'm liking about the A7. I actually have to pay more attention to what I'm doing, and I end up engage the process more instead of, "oh look, a cool angle - click".

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    I guess my original intention of this thread was to lampoon DPreview for not giving the A7 the obvious accolade of a 'gold' level product. If the A7 (80%) is only silver it is on a par with the Panasonic GX7 (79%) but actually below the Olympus OMD-EM1 (84%).

    I rest my case.

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I guess my original intention of this thread was to lampoon DPreview for not giving the A7 the obvious accolade of a 'gold' level product. If the A7 (80%) is only silver it is on a par with the Panasonic GX7 (79%) but actually below the Olympus OMD-EM1 (84%).

    I rest my case.

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    I don't often find myself in agreement with dPreview (and I don't agree with comments about chargers and Jpg files.
    But they do say very clearly that they rate cameras for what they are.

    I've not owned a GX7, so I can't comment, but I have owned an A7r, I Do own an A7 and I have an E-M1. The point is that FOR WHAT IT IS the EM1 is nearly perfect, it's fast, excellent AF, better EVF than the Sony, fantastic IBIS lots of excellent native lenses .
    The A7 on the other hand has a clunky shutter, is compromised badly with wide angle third party lenses, has dreadful battery life, only 3 native lenses and the build quality is not a patch on the Olympus. Sure, the files are bigger and it's full frame. . . . And it offers lots of hope for the future.

    The gold award is supposed to be for all-round perfection, which the Olympus has, and the A7 doesn't, really it's as simple as that-sure you might think the A7 is much better for you, but that's not the point

    Incidentally, with respect to jpg files, I never use them, but nowadays I realise that camera manufacturers don't include them to give us something to sound off about, they include them because LOTS of people use them, and that does include professionals too. So it might not be relevant to you, but it IS relevant.

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    I think DPR writes for the middle. They aren't going to give a Gold Award to a camera which is a brilliant choice for a small number of people. They're looking for the best choices for most people. Hence Sigma DP and Ricoh GR cameras have a long history of low marks.
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    What Jono said.

    At the current state of affairs, this is a niche camera for enthusiasts who mostly buy it because it's cheaper than a Leica.
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I guess my original intention of this thread was to lampoon DPreview for not giving the A7 the obvious accolade of a 'gold' level product. If the A7 (80%) is only silver it is on a par with the Panasonic GX7 (79%) but actually below the Olympus OMD-EM1 (84%).

    I rest my case.

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    May be that they are keeping the gold award for the A7r which they have'nt reviewed yet.

    Also the reviewer by his own account likes the E-M1 ergonomic a lot. The VF while very similar seems to be nicer on the E-M1 (may be because the MFT sensor having less pixels can extract information faster).

    The A7 has to be compared to other hybrid cameras when it comes to AF EVF etc. Olympus has really achieved something with its last generation of MFT cameras. Probably that the smaller size of the MFT sensor gives it an edge when it comes down to AF and EVF : processing large chunk of data is a challenge.

    Still the A7/7r are very desirable cameras.. Let's wait for their take on the A7r : the preview made no mysteries about that : they said that while they wanted to prefer the A7, they were in fact prefering the A7r.
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    The point is that FOR WHAT IT IS the EM1 is nearly perfect, it's fast, excellent AF, better EVF than the Sony, fantastic IBIS lots of excellent native lenses .
    The A7 on the other hand has a clunky shutter, is compromised badly with wide angle third party lenses, has dreadful battery life, only 3 native lenses and the build quality is not a patch on the Olympus. Sure, the files are bigger and it's full frame. . . . And it offers lots of hope for the future.
    That is exactly the point; there should be different stages/leagues to compare cameras. How can you compare a half frame to a full frame camera.
    It is a different league all together. It is as easy to hammer on all the disadvantages as it is to hammer on the advantages. How about high ISO performance, dynamic range of the A7? It should be compared to a FF Leica. Pricewise it is a no brainer.
    Especially since we know how long the life circle of a camera really is these days. You end up with a closet full of mechanical beautiful but digital outdated museumpieces.
    All the imperfect cameras I bought till now still work, and I used them extensivly, not in war zones, but the way most people use there cameras on this forum.

    Actually I don't really know because I have a A7r and since I have the batterygrip I never have to worry about battery life. Even after every extensive outing only one battery is empty, so it is not as dreadfull as you stated. Mind you, these are big files to handle.

    But I quess I am one of those poor souls who belong to a fast growing niche, who is happy with all the SLR wides he can put on it, and doesn't have to pay 6300,-- for a body with no viewfinder.

    The future is very near, we will see how many native lenses there will be by the end of the year......

    DPreview has never been a forerunner in recognising groundbraking cameras. I remember how long you had to wait for reviews of Olympus cameras if they ever reviewed them at all.
    The same here, they are rather late again and why start with the A7 instead of the A7r?
    The Nikon Df has been reviewed already weeks ago
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    That is exactly the point; there should be different stages/leagues to compare cameras. How can you compare a half frame to a full frame camera.
    I couldn't agree more Michiel - and dPreview makes it pretty clear that you shouldn't compare results from cameras in different classes - their very words are:

    Scoring is relative only to the other cameras in the same category.


    Clearly the E-M1 and the A7 are not in the same category

    I suspect that they will still give the A7r a silver award - but with a higher score, for the same reasons.

    However - and worth noting - not many cameras score 80% on dPreview - whatever their award.

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I couldn't agree more Michiel - and dPreview makes it pretty clear that you shouldn't compare results from cameras in different classes - their very words are:

    Scoring is relative only to the other cameras in the same category.


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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    They do but we don't always
    (big coloured letters, I could hardly read them )
    I like big coloured letters . you're quite right, and IMHO that's where Louis went wrong.

    Mind you - all that being said and done, I'm trying to decide whether my AF future is with an A7 or an E-M1 - but my personal likes and dislikes are just that (personal and mine )

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Okay let me get pissy for a second a reviewer is just that a person that does not put his career on the line in the trenches. I just put 14 thousand images on A7 that depended on AF and speed to get a big job done in just a few days. It was limited by a A lens no less a 70-200 that depended on a sony A adapter just to make the connection which immediately slows it down than put it in crop mode and even worse shoot the hardest AF capabilities there is with continuous focus than go sell them online. Now that's a statement of putting it in the worst conditions possible and coming out nailing the job and earning 5 times worth the rig already . Here is my answer to these reviewers . Do something worthy than tell me it does not work instead of shooting a few frames. Than a week later turn the A7 to a avid Leica M shooter for 2 solid days and he orders it and returning his M240. Guess it must really suck than. Stop reading the **** folks and worse actually believing it
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    And yes I'm a little pissy just drove a solid 12 hours to get home from Yosemite and had 5 hours sleep but I'm sick of people and crap reviews when they have nothing on the line and stupid opinions and never put these things through a real shooting situation and you actually take Dp review serious on top of that. Let's get real folks your reading too much BS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    And yes I'm a little pissy just drove a solid 12 hours to get home from Yosemite and had 5 hours sleep but I'm sick of people and crap reviews when they have nothing on the line and stupid opinions and never put these things through a real shooting situation and you actually take Dp review serious on top of that. Let's get real folks your reading too much BS
    Guy, in the founding days of Dpreview (1999) when I among others became one of it's earliest members, many were pro's who contributed. We used to get irked to say the least, when we took our time posting our findings about the deficiency of certain cameras or lenses when put on the line, they couldn't pass muster. Either the Af couldn't keep up, or would be inaccurate or certain lenses simply didn't perform well enough on digital bodies. The hobbyists or amateurs (nothing wrong with that), denounced any observation of ours they didn't observe or experience in their causal form of shooting and simply dismissed these findings as "made-up".

    Of course they weren't shooting their camera under the rigorous demands that were requiredat the time. My point is exactly what you expressed. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but when one has the bully pulpit, like a test published on a well known website, their published findings has to be based on factual info and rigorous testing. My 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    And yes I'm a little pissy just drove a solid 12 hours to get home from Yosemite and had 5 hours sleep but I'm sick of people and crap reviews when they have nothing on the line and stupid opinions and never put these things through a real shooting situation and you actually take Dp review serious on top of that. Let's get real folks your reading too much BS
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    I've had precious little time to shoot with it yet, but thus far the A7 + Leica R 50 and 90 have produced some absolutely lovely results. The camera is a little clunky, but configured for my needs it works well.

    Compared to the E-M1, it's crude and rude. And the mFT lenses are superb too. Were I a rational person, I'd have stopped there.

    But for me, the A7 is all about that lovely sensor letting my beloved old Leicaflex SL lenses work as they ought to with a digital body. Took me forty years to collect these vintage Leica lenses I love how they image, I'll put up with the A7's clunkyness to enjoy the lenses...

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    The E-M1 is amazing because of the E-M5 (and P's) that Olympus built and were reviewed before it.

    The Fuji XE-2 and X100s (and apparently the soon-to-be-announced XT-1) is (and will be) amazing because of the X-E1, X100 and X-1Pro that Fuji built and were reviewed before it.

    The RX1 is amazing because of the A900, A99 et. al. that Sony built and were reviewed before it.

    The Leica M240 is amazing because of the M9, M8.2 and M8 that Leitz built and were reviewed before it.

    The Nikon DF, D610 and D800 are amazing because of D4, D4s, D3s, D3x, D700 and D600 that Nikon built and were reviewed before it.

    And the Sony A8 and A8r will be amazing because of the A7 and A7r which Sony built and are now going through their teething period. Some love it as is. Some see room for improvement. Despite the niggles of DPR, these cameras are already amazing for having broken barriers that until this point seemed unattainable: FF dslrs in a film-era size SLR-like packages. (Even Leica for years whined how impossible it was to make a Digital M...until they achieved it!)

    No camera is without its faults. But it's because of faults that the next iterations are so much better.
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    I like both very much, i.e. E-M1 and A7R, as complementary tools.
    Hopefully soon IBIS will show up in an A7R follow on camera.
    Together with a better shutter that camera would deserve a Gold Award.
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Okay let me get pissy for a second a reviewer is just that a person that does not put his career on the line in the trenches. I just put 14 thousand images on A7 that depended on AF and speed to get a big job done in just a few days. It was limited by a A lens no less a 70-200 that depended on a sony A adapter just to make the connection which immediately slows it down than put it in crop mode and even worse shoot the hardest AF capabilities there is with continuous focus than go sell them online. Now that's a statement of putting it in the worst conditions possible and coming out nailing the job and earning 5 times worth the rig already . Here is my answer to these reviewers . Do something worthy than tell me it does not work instead of shooting a few frames. Than a week later turn the A7 to a avid Leica M shooter for 2 solid days and he orders it and returning his M240. Guess it must really suck than. Stop reading the **** folks and worse actually believing it
    Good to hear it worked out so well for you! Mine has been payd for fast enough and more is going to happen soon.
    I like these A7 cameras but this does not mean there is nothing else out there.
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    I was half joking of course but the reality is its a great camera with a couple faults but let's admit its a great step in the right direction for Sony and others maybe start paying attention more. gold , Silver it really does not matter and yes a firmware update on both models certainly would improve it. Than again don't we say the same thing in every brand/ model made. Of course we do and til this day nothing is perfect. Heck I would be richer by a large margin if the DMR had 24 or more pixels. Lol

    The good news is the price versus the output and no one graded them on that most important feature for 1700 dollars it's one heck of a camera and frankly almost disposable in a way compared to many others. Instead of giving them a silver I would myself given them a lot if credit for not only bringing out a good cam but one that truly is a digital back to many older and exotic lenses that exist in other brands. This truly can be called a open system in many ways. Options are wonderful my friends and there is not one of us that has not thought of what next to bolt on it. Pick your favorite brand and it will most likely work on it. That deserves credit even if it's not perfect. I'm glad I have it and the A7r I had a blast with both of them over the last month and many folks around me are pretty impressed by the files. End of day that is what counts and not how many batteries you had to use to get there. Honestly even with 14 k in images I did pretty good on that matter
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    I actually used my A7 last night on a job for a client (a cheese tasting in a new shop/restaurant) along with my M(240) and 28 summicron asph. In the end most of the successful shots that I got were with the A7 and FE55 and one or two with the FE35. I certainly was able to hit the focus more than I would have with the M and the summilux 50 asph but that being said auto-focus on the A7 with the 55 is not fantastic in low light (a lot better with the 35). Yes it is not a perfect camera but most of the issues I have with it could be sorted in a firmware update though I hear Sony are not great at this (they should look to fuji who have been amazing with their updates to the X series). Anyway no camera is perfect but I thing with some work and understanding of the camera that it is a fantastic tool.
    By the way one of the main advantages that I found in the A7 over the M was the lack on banding in shadow areas at high iso. I find this to be a real pain with the M as it seems to start ISO1600

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    Some cameras are 'jack of all trades and master of none' whereas the A7/A7R are both 'masters of some' i.e. format leading IQ in a tiny package. You give up things to get that excellence and I think DP Review looks for an all rounder for all people. On that basis, Ferraris would score badly for lack of rear legroom (if any!) and tractors would be criticised for having poor handling

    This is the problem with fixed grading systems. The score is averaged across general use, even if the subject is a niche product.
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    Here for me is the ultimate irony.

    The introduction of m43rds was ground breaking. It invented mirrorless. It promised and delivered high quality photography in half the weight and dimensions. Even though I have sold most of my m43rds kit I cannot bring myself to part with my GH-2 and 100-300 because I can shoot birds and fantastically compressed landscapes with something which (not actually measured but guessing here) weighs in at the weight of a single monster DSLR body. Incredibly impressive. In short, the G1 started a genre of products which have dramatically changed consumer, enthusiast and even professional tastes.

    And yet the G1 when reviewed by DPreview scored 70%

    So, I suppose that 79% for the A7 is indeed a recognition of the greatness of the camera.

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post

    No camera is without its faults. But it's because of faults that the next iterations are so much better.
    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    In short, the G1 started a genre of products which have dramatically changed consumer, enthusiast and even professional tastes.

    And yet the G1 when reviewed by DPreview scored 70%

    So, I suppose that 79% for the A7 is indeed a recognition of the greatness of the camera.

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    I think Peter has it. Next up is the killer A8r with a silky smooth shutter and IBIS. Which doesn't mean that the A7 isn't a gem, just like the G1. Maybe they should have a diamond award for innovation, for which the A7 would be a no-brainer.

    To be honest though, I'm with Guy and Godfrey on all these reviews. Entertainment only, absolutely limited use.
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Video of comedian Louis CK, appearing on Conan, with an amusing bit on people not happy with technology.

    http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/94

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamB View Post
    Video of comedian Louis CK, appearing on Conan, with an amusing bit on people not happy with technology.

    http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/94

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    Brilliant! Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Louis
    I think Peter has it. Next up is the killer A8r with a silky smooth shutter and IBIS. Which doesn't mean that the A7 isn't a gem, just like the G1. Maybe they should have a diamond award for innovation, for which the A7 would be a no-brainer.

    To be honest though, I'm with Guy and Godfrey on all these reviews. Entertainment only, absolutely limited use.
    All the best
    Yes, I agree and my op was lampooning DPreview for making statements I thought deserved ridicule.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamB View Post
    Video of comedian Louis CK, appearing on Conan, with an amusing bit on people not happy with technology.

    http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/94

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    Oh, I am quite happy with technology it is DPreview which sometimes makes me frustrated with journalism.

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Folks I do reviews and I'm pretty candid about them but I look at reviews as a piece of a big puzzle to make any decision. I would never recommend or expect anyone to buy solely on what I would report or any other reviewer. All the pieces need to fit to make any sense of it all.
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    I spoke with a Sony rep at a local in-store event today. I mentioned the diglloyd thing as well as the 1/60 auto iso, both of which he knew about. He said he knows a number of pros shooting the A7r with no vibration issues, but the inter webs gets traction. He's got a meeting with corporate next week and he's got 5 pages of notes from users that he's going to bring up. Maybe nothing will happen, but he was interested in hearing the good and the bad (I'm still in the koolaid phase so I bought a 35/2.8 ) and was a genuinely nice guy.

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    I think that is great he has notes . Listens to all sides of the coin and try and help his company grow. It's what a rep should do even if nothing happens today the message gets through at some point.
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    I'm buying a 50 next week and I'm starting to lean towards the new 55 1.8. It's that or a old Nikon 50 1.2. But a native lens that is small would be nice
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    fwiw I love the 55/1.8. I was able to shoot one of our project spaces handheld/available light and get a lot of hits that will play well on some pr that we're picking up. I just picked up the 35/2.8 and while it is nice, the 55/1.8 seems to be "special". At first blush it may be in the "favorites I've shot" category with the Pentax 77/1.8 and Oly 75/1.8 (I haven't shot true Leica glass so ymmv). Others here have a lot more experience with other glass though...

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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm buying a 50 next week and I'm starting to lean towards the new 55 1.8. It's that or a old Nikon 50 1.2. But a native lens that is small would be nice
    Well, I'd buy the Sony Zeiss FE 55mm lens if I wanted AF and all the features of A7/A7r. But I have both the Leica Summicron-R 50mm f/2 and Summilux-R 50mm f/1.4, AND a Nikkor 50mm f/1.2 AI-S, and Micro-Nikkor 55/3.5 (Pre-AI). All of them tested beautifully on the A7. I'll test the Nokton 50/1.5 ASPH (LTM) and Color Skopar 50/2.5 as soon as my mount adapter arrives ...

    So there are plenty of choices if you don't want AF, but if you do that Zeiss lens does seem to be very very good. The Color Skopar 50/2.5 is very small compared to the others, so I hope it does test out well.

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    Why I'm leaning to the Sony is having both a 55 and 85 in AF would be handy
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    Re: DPreview gives A7 Silver Award

    Since when one is supposed to be taking DPR's reviews very seriously and why anyone should be getting upset if they talk nonsense?
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