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    The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    I was shocked

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Yes, the fe 55 is excellent. But the story isn't exactly in the numbers, the text part explains it better.. the otus still has a clear upper hand. On the same note, price vs. performance, I'm not buying the otus :-)

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    This begs for a test
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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    How much better would the OTUS have tested on the D800e rather than the D800? The closeness of these results may be misleading. Course, the are NOT close in price nor size.

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Without the test I would say maybe the sharpest lens around in its focal length under a 1000 dollars. That's a bold statement. I'm going to run it against my ZA 85 and my Z135 and find out. I just got it yesterday and it's really sharp wide open . Actually surprised me. Rare moment
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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Quote Originally Posted by Luvwine View Post
    How much better would the OTUS have tested on the D800e rather than the D800? The closeness of these results may be misleading. Course, the are NOT close in price nor size.
    Between 5% and 10% better on D800e.

    DxO figures are a simplification.
    MTF curves tell us that the FE at f1.4 is actually in the center BETTER (!!) than the Otus, especially at 40lp/mm.
    Otherwise it seems to be a draw at f1.4 (cursory look at MTF's...).
    The other graph is f4 for the Otus and f8 for FE, so cannot really be compared.

    Sony Global - Digital Imaging - ? Lenses - Sonnar T* FE 55mm F1.8 ZA

    http://lenses.zeiss.com/content/dam/.../otus_1455.pdf
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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    At f1.4 the Otus has better corner MTFs.
    At f8 the FE is near....perfect. Only some astigmatism at 40lp/mm, but all contrasts above 80%!
    And 10lp/mm and 20lp/mm contrasts near 100% with astigmatism-free flat overlapping lines.How did they do it?
    Those are the characteristics of a 15,000$ cinematography lens like Zeiss UltraPrime.
    And those cover a S35 frame which is close to APS-C.
    I am waiting for the FE 55mm and will be able to compare it to a 50mm/T1.9 UltraPrime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nugat View Post
    Between 5% and 10% better on D800e.
    It would likely be more that. Here are the results for one of the few lenses DxO has tested on both a D800 and D800E:

    Tamron SP AF 70-200mm F/2.8 Di LD (IF) MACRO
    D800: 15 P-Mpix
    D800E: 21 P-Mpix

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    Quote Originally Posted by horshack View Post
    It would likely be more that. Here are the results for one of the few lenses DxO has tested on both a D800 and D800E:

    Tamron SP AF 70-200mm F/2.8 Di LD (IF) MACRO
    D800: 15 P-Mpix
    D800E: 21 P-Mpix
    It is not really clear how the 'perceptual mpix' metric is constructed.
    I would think that D800E delivers 5-10% more resolution in terms of line pairs/mm. Then most of the D800 'loss' can be made up with sharpening.

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Im running out and going to test it against some other lenses. I like real images . LOL
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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    run Guy, run!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugat View Post
    It is not really clear how the 'perceptual mpix' metric is constructed.
    I would think that D800E delivers 5-10% more resolution in terms of line pairs/mm. Then most of the D800 'loss' can be made up with sharpening.
    Agreed, it's a black box so the results aren't very meaningful. But the results indicate their black box is highly sensitive to AA filters, probably because they don't use any sharpening for images they feed into the box.

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    I'm sure Sony is cooking the RAW file with the FE, so the OTUS performance will likely to be more consistent across platforms, while the FE is only on A7/A7R. Of course in practical terms, you would not use the FE on another platform anyway.

    Having said that, who cares if they cook RAW files!!! If the "system" can provide the near-equivalent a lens costing 4x, in a package 4x smaller, with AF, then PLEASE Cook on....

    or, and while you're at it, please get us FE models in 24/2.8, 85/1.8 and 135/2. You can worry about a nice 14/4 and 200/2.8 and a 120/Macro later
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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    MTF charts do not lie--when they are measured and not computed. Zeiss gives measured MTF data (who knows about Zeiss designs made by Sony...).
    MTF figures are for lens only, without any camera body/sensor involved.

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Holy ****. Okay just looking at 100 percent in C1 the Zeiss 135 vs 55mm the 55mm at 1.8 is better than the 135 F2 at F2 by a small margin. Its already a win and on the 85 ZA I have to get to at least F2.35 call it. Folks its a winner and i don't care how you measure the damn thing. LOL

    Anything that gets close to the Zeiss 135 is smoking hot. I have to process this all out and make sure but its damn good if not great. Go buy it
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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Amazingly, Zeiss is supposed to be offering its own line of manual focus FE lenses in the not too distant future. If this is a preview of what's to come, wow. OTOH, what could they do in the 50mm version that would improve on the FE 55 f1.8?

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Holy ****. Okay just looking at 100 percent in C1 the Zeiss 135 vs 55mm the 55mm at 1.8 is better than the 135 F2 at F2 by a small margin. Its already a win and on the 85 ZA I have to get to at least F2.35 call it. Folks its a winner and i don't care how you measure the damn thing. LOL

    Anything that gets close to the Zeiss 135 is smoking hot. I have to process this all out and make sure but its damn good if not great. Go buy it
    Thanks, Guy. I bought three of them to evaluate!

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    This is nuts . I am seeing no raw sharpness increase stopping down but obviously you see the DOF come in. Now that my friends is hot stuff. Its a rare moment when a lens performs this good wide open usually its a half a stop down or so. Like the ZA 85mm for instance its a nice lens wide open and full of aberrations but at F2 its a great lens. Not here on the 55mm it is solid at 1.8
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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    BTW the bokeh looks very nice too. Okay I need to process this stuff, you folks must think I went off the deep end. Im in shock
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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    This is nuts . I am seeing no raw sharpness increase stopping down but obviously you see the DOF come in. Now that my friends is hot stuff. Its a rare moment when a lens performs this good wide open usually its a half a stop down or so.
    Shhhhhhhhh

    It's okay though, I realise it'd be wasted on my humble A7

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    diglloyd complained about drop in sharpness at f4 - I don't see that in my quick and dirty. But I'm quick and dirty and lazy, so I could easily miss it.

    Jono - you will be assimilated.


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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    You want to believe him or me . He is full of ****. LOL

    Im joking. God i will start getting hate mail now.


    Seriously the sharpness is identical to 5.6 and 2.8 just the DOF is increasing as we go down. Ill post samples no question just need a Doctor break here in a few
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Shhhhhhhhh

    It's okay though, I realise it'd be wasted on my humble A7
    Time for the R


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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Holy ****. Okay just looking at 100 percent in C1 the Zeiss 135 vs 55mm the 55mm at 1.8 is better than the 135 F2 at F2 by a small margin. Its already a win and on the 85 ZA I have to get to at least F2.35 call it. Folks its a winner and i don't care how you measure the damn thing. LOL

    Anything that gets close to the Zeiss 135 is smoking hot. I have to process this all out and make sure but its damn good if not great. Go buy it
    I had the same reaction when i compared the Coastal Optics 60 with the 55FE. I was stunned. I always thought the CO was great, and it is, but the FE55 is just better.

    I have samples in a different thread in this forum. What surprised me even more was the DR from the A7R vs. D800E. You can see a lot more detail in the rendering of the snow with the A7R/55FE combo than with the 800E/CO60.

    The 55FE/A7R is a great kit. Some PITA issues, but overall, pleasantly surprised.

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Holy ****. Okay just looking at 100 percent in C1 the Zeiss 135 vs 55mm the 55mm at 1.8 is better than the 135 F2 at F2 by a small margin. Its already a win and on the 85 ZA I have to get to at least F2.35 call it. Folks its a winner and i don't care how you measure the damn thing. LOL

    Anything that gets close to the Zeiss 135 is smoking hot. I have to process this all out and make sure but its damn good if not great. Go buy it
    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    diglloyd complained about drop in sharpness at f4 - I don't see that in my quick and dirty. But I'm quick and dirty and lazy, so I could easily miss it.

    Jono - you will be assimilated.

    I think that was more related to his point on shutter vibration. F4 happened to get the shutter at speed where he believed there was vibration. Not sure it was do with the lens itself.

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Time for the R


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    NoNo Bob. I've already been there. No A7r for me, I've had one and I didn't like it (put it down to neurosis, but I don't stamp on tin cans either). I'll put up with the A7 until the A8 comes along with a decent shutter.

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    I've just ordered the 55/1.8 FE from Henry's in Toronto. Their website claims the lens has optical stabilization - but I don't believe this is true. There's certainly no mention of this anywhere else.

    Can an owner confirm?

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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    I've just ordered the 55/1.8 FE from Henry's in Toronto. Their website claims the lens has optical stabilization - but I don't believe this is true. There's certainly no mention of this anywhere else.

    Can an owner confirm?
    It doesn't have OSS.
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    Re: The sharpest Lenses on earth FE 55 f1.8 and

    Just picked up an A7r and the 55mm. Soft at f/1.8 and 2.0. Fantastic at f/4.0. Given what that lens should be capable of I'll exchange for another.

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    Is the 55 a fast focusing lens?
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