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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    As my father always said to me, "son, you're not useless - you can always serve as a bad example."
    Careful I resemble that remark. LOL


    Okay seriously, Im having fun on the Sony forum . You folks are great to hang with.
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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    The A7r IS a game changer. It is (nearly) everything a modern camera needs to be. The finder has reached a level that makes you forget about optical finders. The image quality with the right lenses is _A JOY_ !
    Even better it follows the short flange theory and allows real focal lenght lenses or retrofocus, whatever you like.
    Pick the raisins, celebrate your tastes, be historical, clinical, technical, soft, contrasty or "bokehish". Whatever you like.

    Some criticism though: the battery is too small.
    the out of the box experience takes a bit usability upgrade. actually for grown ups you need the grip. And finally - honestly: the shutter button would be so much more versatile and stylish with a classic thread for a cable release.

    PLEASE SONY !!!!! :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    you guys are hopeless ...

    omg... see another pretty face, run off in another direction..

    i'd rather get to know the equipment I have now and produce a book or two with it before I do this dance again.

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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    The a6000 looks interesting. For me it could take the Sony A7 place. All I need in that body for runway stuff is 20-24mpx. Fast AF and continuous at that and be able to bolt on a 70-200 ZA or FE and or a Minolta 200 2.8 high speed. Hmmmmmmmmmm
    And since it takes the FE lenses well thats a huge plus.
    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    My thoughts exactly Guy. A fast AF back-up to the "Big Gun" A7R … for those occasions when needed.

    $650 rather than $1,500 looks good also

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    +1
    If you need the fast AF, then okay, but it isn't FF, and it has a lesser EVF - sounds like a bad idea to me (at least as a substitute for the A7)

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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    It maybe Jono. Not changing any cam right now as I'm pretty happy with the 7's right now. Lenses I'm almost done . Just raising cash to hit a few buy buttons.
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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    If you need the fast AF, then okay, but it isn't FF, and it has a lesser EVF - sounds like a bad idea to me (at least as a substitute for the A7)
    You may be right Jono.

    As I understood the launch video on the A6000, the EVF is "effectively" the same resolution as the A7 … not sure what voodoo math is being used there, something about it being a smaller area?

    Actually, I haven't been bugged by the AF of the A7R … so I'll wait and let the initial "gimme one" urge go away … that's been a pretty effective antidote to a lot of stuff lately.

    I'll tell you, if you don't like something about a Sony camera … wait a month for the next one


    All I know is I have a dinky camera to travel with that's pretty darned good … and I didn't have to bust into principle to buy it either. :

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    ... Actually, I haven't been bugged by the AF of the A7R …
    I haven't been bugged by the A7's AF at all either. It's easy to ignore any problems when you use only manual focus lenses. ]'-)
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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    To be honest, the AF was something I considered before the purchase. The conclusion I came to was that it was anyway faster than anything else I currently have and that it for sure won't be Canon/Nikon etc DSLR fast. With that, I disregarded the whole thing and after purchase I haven't given it a second thought. It is what it is, complaining about it or making comparisons to other systems won't help.. the purchase is done and now it's time to live with the consequences :-)

    I can't say I'd have missed a shot due to the AF. But then again I'm merely a hobbyist and I don't shoot anything that fast moving. If I did shoot sports etc, I'd most likely had chosen something else. I don't think the AF performance could have come as a surprise to anyone doing even the slightest research before the purchase.

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    Well, out with the A7/kit lens, in with the A7r. Now I'm having double the non-AA fun
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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    Well, out with the A7/kit lens, in with the A7r. Now I'm having double the non-AA fun
    and is it worth the expense?

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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    Well, out with the A7/kit lens, in with the A7r. Now I'm having double the non-AA fun
    Congrats
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    Quote Originally Posted by f64 View Post
    and is it worth the expense?
    In my case, my local shop was running a "trade in deal." Essentially you give them any old camera (in my case, an iPhone 3G), and you get $300 off. So I traded the A7 kit straight across for the A7r. (well, I owed them $25 due to the difference in tax). Since I had already bought the 35 and 55 FE lenses, certainly worth it to me. I got the RX1r used from B&H for $1800 (in mint condition) so for once I didn't pay top-dollar to get the gear I wanted.

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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    In my case, my local shop was running a "trade in deal." Essentially you give them any old camera (in my case, an iPhone 3G), and you get $300 off. So I traded the A7 kit straight across for the A7r. (well, I owed them $25 due to the difference in tax). Since I had already bought the 35 and 55 FE lenses, certainly worth it to me. I got the RX1r used from B&H for $1800 (in mint condition) so for once I didn't pay top-dollar to get the gear I wanted.

    Damn the photo Gods must love you this month, I am never that blessed without feeling a hard pinch in my ***. LOL

    Im excited to see how you like the A7r. I think I maybe be taking some of the blame on this upgrade, just don't tell your wife where i live. I get enough death threats from spouses. LOL
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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Bah - my wife is used to this. My *real* addiction is music gear, as I'm a musician by night and play about 100+ gigs a year with a couple of bands. A few years ago I discovered Fodera electric basses. Made by a small shop in Brooklyn, the are amazing instruments. And *start* at $4750 and go up from there, with most of the customs in the $8-12K range. I endorse them so I get a small break, but we're talking small. Right now I have three of them in the house At least I haven't considered getting an AJ Presentation - those are $22K and the new hybrid is $35K.

    So I've worn her down with those purchases. But I play the snot out of them so she doesn't mind, plus she's a visual artist (sculpture, photo and video) so she "gets it."

    So far in just a few shots around the house of my test subjects I really like the r. The high ISO images seem to have a bit different character, and I love the ridiculous resolution. With the A7 I could clearly read the digital clock on the DVR across the room. With the A7r, I can read the silkscreened logo above the digital clock.
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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    ROTFLMAO. There you go see the detail you where missing. LOL
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    btw, some of the other objects of desire for point of reference. That would buy a fair chunk of M glass



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    Wow those are really nice looking.
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    Playable works of art: Fodera Guitar Partners, LLC





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    I know nothing about playing music and understand the instruments even less.. but the craftmanship on those instruments looks exceptional! And that I certainly appreciate.

    That is also one of the things I appreciate in Leica's.. the feel of that gear was also fantastic. I'll get some nice R or M lens for my A7r just for that!

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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    and at least most of the people here seem interested in Sony


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    currently, but it was the same in the previous days
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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Have you tried the M-Rokkor 28mm? I have heard and seen great things.
    many thanks for the suggestion!
    Could you post a link to some samples or reports somewhere ... preferably shot with an A7R?
    Thanks again!

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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

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    Speaking of things NOT to let my wife see... these have to be top on the list. She is a bass player too
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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Expanding on my earlier comment.

    I've begun testing the little 7r using all my Phase One glass and so far I'm delighted with what I've seen. The 55LS, 80, 120 all are giving me great files to work with and I still have the 150 and 240 to test. No aperture control however that can be easily worked around using a combination of shutter speed and ISO. The manual focusing is way too easy using the focus mask (is that the proper name?). I turned the color to red and when I'm in focus I hit the shutter.

    So, once again yes I'm having fun. Will it replace or do I expect it to replace my medium format gear? No, but it is like that little puppy that just want to tag along and occasionally pee on your boots.

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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by f64 View Post
    and at least most of the people here seem interested in Sony


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    currently, but it was the same in the previous days
    That jumps around based on what is news. Right now Sony is the one making news.

    Tomorrow, who knows?

    Probably Sony again since they seem to launch something new every hour, on the hour

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    I am waiting for my Contax PC-Distagon 2.8/35 (should be here in Germany end of next week or so). If it's as good as reported on the A7R, I'll sell the FE 2.8/35 (since I don't like the manual fosusing, the field curvature and the light falloff). The PC-Distagon also covers a focal range up to 24mm when stitching. Maybe this solves my problem with wides to some degree (at least for static subjects).
    The PC-Distagon in fact works nicely on the A7R. It's sharp at the edges of the large image circle (fully shifted on the long side of the sensor) at f8. It can't compete the FE 2.8/35 ZA in the center ... but it's better at the edges. So I'll simply keep both of the lenses

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    Re: A7 and A7r owners. Are we having fun yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Im sitting here thinking you know how dangerous that can be. My guess is we use our Sony 4 adapter for it. If I get the ZA 24 that gives me 3 ZA lenses already and than the FE glass should work. Okay whats the downside.

    If I sold my A7 I can get the ZA 24 that I planned but I can order the FE 24-70 that I have not ordered yet. Spare change and get a second adapter.
    Guy, be aware that many users have had focus issues with the ZA 24. I ended up returning mine after trying a repair with Sony that did nothing to fix the variable focus performance - some hits, lot's of misses. When it was on it was ON but could not depend on it.

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