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    Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    I am looking for the best image quality possible for the A7R.
    Does anyone have any real work experience with the Zeiss 25mm f2 ZF?
    A friend told me he is getting good results with the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar-M ASPH.
    Is this possible? I thought the Leica wide-angles were not working well on the A7R sensor.
    Which 24mm retro-focus lenses work well on the A7R?
    Sadly, the only old 24mm I have is a FD Canon 24mm f2.8 SSC.
    Any chance this would work for now?

    I truly appreciate any suggestions.

    All the best,
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    Sony Zeiss 24mm F2.0. Sharp and good corners wide open.
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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    Quote Originally Posted by nikonf View Post
    Sadly, the only old 24mm I have is a FD Canon 24mm f2.8 SSC.
    Any chance this would work for now?
    You might be surprised how well it works. If you don't mind risking a little bit of cash, buy a cheap adapter and try it out. (something like this - Fotasy adapter)

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    Zeiss 25mm F2. Nothing in Leica R has the image quality in this focal length. 28 yes , 19 yes but there 24 is very good but not as good as this Zeiss . Not sure if anything M actually works. I had this lens in Zion and have some great shots from it. I just bought it again this week.
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    Guy, it was excellent at infinity? You used it with the D800E?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Zeiss 25mm F2. Nothing in Leica R has the image quality in this focal length. 28 yes , 19 yes but there 24 is very good but not as good as this Zeiss . Not sure if anything M actually works. I had this lens in Zion and have some great shots from it. I just bought it again this week.

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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    Hi Mike,
    Now that wouldn't be much of a risk for that price.
    Who knows ...........perhaps a 35 year old lens will work well on the 36mp sensor!
    I'll give it a shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    You might be surprised how well it works. If you don't mind risking a little bit of cash, buy a cheap adapter and try it out. (something like this - Fotasy adapter)

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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    I use my Zeiss 25/2.8 ZF.2 works great especially if you live at f5.6 f8
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    The 24 M Summilux is superb at landscape apertures, but an absurdly expensive for such an application. If you already own one, great, but to buy one for the Sony would be madness.

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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    RE: 24's. I have a Nikkor 24mm f/2.8 & Olympus 24mm f/2.8. The Olympus is better than the Nikkor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    I use my Zeiss 25/2.8 ZF.2 works great especially if you live at f5.6 f8
    I moved from the 25/2.8 to the 25/2 and there is a large improvement in image quality...the 2.8 shines closeup however.

    Sean at Camera West has my old Duclos modded 25/2.8 for sale...wonderful for video.

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    I was referring to the much less expensive Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar-M ASPH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turtle View Post
    The 24 M Summilux is superb at landscape apertures, but an absurdly expensive for such an application. If you already own one, great, but to buy one for the Sony would be madness.

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    Does the Olympus 24mm f/2.8 have sharp corners when used for landscapes?
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    The 24 M Summilux is superb at landscape apertures, but an absurdly expensive for such an application. If you already own one, great, but to buy one for the Sony would be madness.
    Quote Originally Posted by neelin View Post
    RE: 24's. I have a Nikkor 24mm f/2.8 & Olympus 24mm f/2.8. The Olympus is better than the Nikkor.

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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    Perhaps I should rent the 25mm f2 Zeiss. I had the old 25mm f2.8 on my Contax RTS II and it was excellent in the 1980s. Corners could have been better. Maybe they are today, with the aspheric elements?
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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    I moved from the 25/2.8 to the 25/2 and there is a large improvement in image quality...the 2.8 shines closeup however.

    Sean at Camera West has my old Duclos modded 25/2.8 for sale...wonderful for video.

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    I'd kill to have the cash for the zeiss 25mm, from what I've seen the files from it are rather special.
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    I have both Sony/Zeiss ZA 24/2 and and Zeiss ZF 25/2. They are both excellent on A7r. If you want to have AF, then go with Sony/Zeiss. Optically, I like ZF 25/2 better. The Olympus 24/2.8 is a good lens for general purchase travel use. But it has large amount of distortion and I don't use mine for landscape at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I'd kill to have the cash for the zeiss 25mm, from what I've seen the files from it are rather special.
    I agree. The ZF 25/2 is newer design from Zeiss relative to the other ZF offerings (21/2,8, 25/2,8, 28/2, and 35/2). It has excellent performance at f2 and less distortion than the 21/2,8, 25/2.8, and 28/2. It's one of three top Zeiss new offerings (the other two are Otus 55/1.4, and 135/2 APO) from their DSLR line.

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    I do hear tell of weak corners though? There was a very long thread on FM on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikonf View Post
    Perhaps I should rent the 25mm f2 Zeiss. I had the old 25mm f2.8 on my Contax RTS II and it was excellent in the 1980s. Corners could have been better. Maybe they are today, with the aspheric elements?
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    Highly recommend renting it. Fair warning though you will buy it or the Sony ZA 24. I had a tough decision between the two but I had the 25 before and knew its worth. I did a test with it this morning. I will get up over the weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I do hear tell of weak corners though? There was a very long thread on FM on the subject.
    Just did a corner test this morning. I'll post later

    The ZA 24 I heard about its corners being slightly weak. Not the 25
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    I'd throw the 21mm F2.8 Zeiss into the mix, I have one for my D800E and it works very nicely on the A7R too
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    Any with experience on the Oly -Zuiko SHIFT 24mm f/3.5 - some says best ever 24 in the film days?

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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    Quote Originally Posted by nikonf View Post
    Which 24mm retro-focus lenses work well on the A7R?
    Sadly, the only old 24mm I have is a FD Canon 24mm f2.8 SSC.
    Any chance this would work for now?

    I truly appreciate any suggestions.

    All the best,
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    Your FD lens will do fine on the A7r. I have the FD 24/2 and it is good.
    No colour problems.
    Probably not the best but it will work for now.
    I like the Voigtländer Ultron 21/1.8, which is a bit sharper then the FD and very little distortion.

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    For landscapes and corner perfection hard to beat a 24mm TS lens.
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    Guy,

    That is very kind of you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Highly recommend renting it. Fair warning though you will buy it or the Sony ZA 24. I had a tough decision between the two but I had the 25 before and knew its worth. I did a test with it this morning. I will get up over the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSEH View Post
    Any with experience on the Oly -Zuiko SHIFT 24mm f/3.5 - some says best ever 24 in the film days?
    I would avoid this lens personally. I had one (see pic below) and it was gorgeous, exceedingly well built, and, in my experience, not sharp at all on a 5D Mark II. I had the impression that it was not up to modern digital sensors, unfortunately. I preferred the Canon 24 T/S version I and that in turn is bettered by the 24 TS-II. The latter is the best shift lens at 24mm that I know of. I did like the Zeiss PC 35 2.8, however.

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    Michiel,
    Thank you very much for the confirmation.
    I love your images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Your FD lens will do fine on the A7r. I have the FD 24/2 and it is good.
    No colour problems.
    Probably not the best but it will work for now.
    I like the Voigtländer Ultron 21/1.8, which is a bit sharper then the FD and very little distortion.

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    [QUOTE=Luvwine;569784]I would avoid this lens personally. I had one (see pic below) and it was gorgeous, exceedingly well built, and, in my experience, not sharp at all on a 5D Mark II. I had the impression that it was not up to modern digital sensors, unfortunately. I preferred the Canon 24 T/S version I and that in turn is bettered by the 24 TS-II. The latter is the best shift lens at 24mm that I know of. I did like the Zeiss PC 35 2.8, however.


    thanks.. i will look in other direction...

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    Contax 35mm shift lens. Great lens
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    Did we ever come to a conclusion on this one? Trying to work out this question for myself. My needs are simple, small, cheap, perfect corners, character and focuses the same direction as Nikon/Pentax. Shouldn't be too hard should it? Looking hard at the 25mm f2 ZF but wondering whether I should just be waiting for the Sony FE 16-35mm and hoping to heck that the corners are better than the 24-70mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikonf View Post
    I was referring to the much less expensive Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar-M ASPH.
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    I would stay away from the 24 Elmar on the A7r unless you want to correct every shot. It works perfectly fine on the A7 though. The Lightroom profile corrects the distortion as well. That being said I'm sure most SLR lenses will perform better than the 24 Elmar. If you have one already - great. If not I'd look at the Sony 24/2 and adapter if you need AF. If not then there are plenty of other options.
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    I'd vote, if size not an issue, for the EF 24 TSE II. This lens and the 17 TSE seem outstanding on my a7r.

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    Nevermind price...
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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    Zeiss Distagon 24/2 is excellent on the LAEA 4. I'm fixing to sell mine (going super wide with the Touit and A6000).

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    I wonder if it is worth the extra cost over the 25mm f2 Zeiss? Or only if you want AF? It's sure ain't cheap.
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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I wonder if it is worth the extra cost over the 25mm f2 Zeiss? Or only if you want AF? It's sure ain't cheap.
    You lost me. You can get the A-Mount Distagon for less than the 25mm.

    I'm going to be selling mine for less than a grand. Factor in the adapter if you need it and you are in the same ballpark.

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    Really? I thought the price was nigh on $1990 for the A mount new.
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    I was wrong! It was the lens plus adaptor that was the same price as the Zeiss 25mm.
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    The Metabones is 400 and the Sony adapter 4 is 350.00 so not much savings there the Zeiss 25 is 1700.00 dollars I know just bought one new and I think the Zeiss Sony 24mm is around 1500 new but you can find them used. From what I was told the 25 has better corners. The 24 is of course AF . I had a hell of a time deciding between the two. Still am but I'm happy with the 25. I just used it a lot last week and it's a beauty.
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    Just checked Sony 24 f2 is 1400 new. So it's a little cheaper overall with mount too
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    Metabones? Why did you go for the Canon version Guy? The Novoflex adaptor for Nikon is considerably cheaper.

    I would love to see a picture of the 25mm mounted on the Sony (trying to work out if I'm going to find it too big) and if you get a chance to show some raw files I'll love you even more than I do already.
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    Well one reason was exif data plus aperture control in camera why I went canon mount but more important was a canon 17 TS I could buy and have the adapter already. Nikon lenses the TS especially do not work on the Sonys they need electronic power. The Metabones has the electrical connection so I can use all there TS glass with it.
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    I'll take a shot of camera for you
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    Makes sense Guy. The 17mm? Can I be exceedingly jealous of you? I just don't have the commercial architectural work any more to make it economically viable. I do want to standardise on a single lens for my wide angle work which makes it more difficult, it has to do commercial, urban landscape, project work, people work, etc. I love the 24mm focal length but commercial usually requires significantly wider than that, I was always at the wide ed of my 16-35LII. It would seem that it's worth waiting for the Sony FE 16-35 but I can't pretend that the significant distortion and corner lack of sharpness of the 24-70 is not worrying me. That and the f4 aperture would bother me. I'm thinking that a good 24mm and stitching could be the answer given how rarely I need a super wide these days. I just wish there was a smaller solution.
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    Why I sold the 24-70 but 24 being in the mid range of a 16-35 might be good. Sure like to see one come out.
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    It's rumoured to be the next lens to be announced apparently.
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    Small wides are tough to come by. Zeiss 18 is very nice not perfect but a good performer.
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    Maybe the following pages could help your choices. Some time ago, I tested my lenses at the horizon (so, this is basically a "landscape test"). The horizon is tilted so that we have some data in the extreme corners. Tests have been done on the Sony A900, Nikon D800 and Sony NEX 7. Each individual picture can be downloaded in full resolution using the flickr interface (click on the picture first, then on the "…" symbol, it used to be easier before flick redesigned their interface).

    This is a test at 24mm:https://www.flickr.com/photos/jerome...7625120824412/

    The following image is the extreme corner of the 24mm f/2.0, 16-35 and 24-70 from Sony/Zeiss:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/jerome...57625120824412
    and this is the midframe for the same lenses:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/jerome...57625120824412.

    This is a comparison of the Sony/Zeiss and Nikon 16-35 zooms (on the A900 and D800) where the pictures with the slanted horizon have been turned for easy comparison:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/jerome...57630303410700

    This are all lens tests I did and published to my flickr account:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/jerome...7629882006514/. You will find data for more lenses in the various sets.

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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    Jerome, those tests are incredibly useful, very much appreciated! I found the tree image to be the most useful actually, as you wrote, very 'real world'. It shows that the very extreme corners do suffer even at f8 but it's not enough to bother me. Now if only it wasn't so large!
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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    Are there any opinions on the 25mm f2.8 version of the Zeiss? I believe it's smaller and it's 1/3 of the price.
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    Re: Best performing 24 or 25mm on A7R

    I am a big fan of the CV Ultron 21/2.8 which I use on an A7. I thought I might get rid of it as and when the FE roadmap lenses for the 24 and 21 appear but the more I use it the more I like it.

    It is going to get a lot tougher once these lenses appear although according to the roadmap they are f2.8 minimum aperture.

    Guy, if you read this, did you get the 25 ZM?

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