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    The final backup answer to the A7r

    After looking at all the rumors and releases coming and analyzing my biggest issue with the current A7r and A7 with the Sony Adapter 4 working with a long lens like a ZA 70-200 is my AF points to get where i want and no matter what backup I use i will run into the same issue be it the A6000, Rumored A77 replacement and the A7 i will still run into the same issue because of the adapter. The only way around it is the new 70-200 FE lens that can take the AF all the way to the edges.

    So no matter how you slice the cheese it comes down to a lens issue as the A7 is certainly fast enough for my needs both in shooting speed and AF capabilities as far as tracking and nailing the image. Seems like the RX10, A6000 are all going to be a compromise over the A7 since I think it does everything right. Sure the A6000 might be faster but no vertical grip and maybe not built strong enough to withstand some hard usage and more important long lenses. Now the A6000 maybe very unique as a travel cam and even a backup where it may not be as critical but as I sit here and think about it the dang A7 and A7r are a really nice combination together. Same batteries , same grip , same settings essentially. So for me Im on a holding pattern on trying to replace the A7 for fast work as i think its just a matter of getting the longer FE glass and even the 24-70. Been just thinking on how to get the 24-70 without putting out extra money I don't have since i shot my 2014 budget in a about a week with 2 brand new expensive lenses plus accessories. I may just have to knit a new ski mask.

    Im also into a more robust camera and size and weight don't really mean as much to me as i am used to having so much bulk and weight over the years. Although this kit is smaller and lighter and like that benefit for sure. But you get too small and too delicate a system that can lead into some trouble with durability. Its a fine line for sure. But those are my thoughts at least and thought I would share.
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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    For me the A99 is the answer for now:

    1. IBIS
    2. Faster autofocus with screw-drive Zeiss A-mount 85mm and 135mm lenses which I love.
    3. A99 autofocus likely better than LAEA4 on A7R (not tested, I have LAEA3 for SSM lenses).
    4. Mostly native FE lenses and adapted ZF.2 lenses on A7R.

    Not a perfect pairing for sure. Hope Sony will fill the gap between the lines...

    Perhaps the lines will merge
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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    Perhaps. Still the A99 does not get to the edges with AF points. I have the ZA 85 and 135 now. For runway with about 15k images taken in vertical mode the AF points hits around the chest which sometimes a plain garment it will hunt. I need it to hit face on that big a job. Single jobs like just shooting a model focus and recompose I can get away with. My best bet would be a FE 70-200 on that big gig. I don't need IBIS on shows I use a monopod.
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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    Sounds like the 70-200 FE is the solution assuming the AF points get where you need them. While my shooting needs are different, I've gotten spoiled by the A7r and RX1r files so I'm not sure that any APS-C solution is going to float my boat. Maybe I'm just "done" now and deal with not shooting longer than 70mm. Though the $300 trade-in deal makes picking up an A7 body attractive. Except for the $1300 I still have to fork over

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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    For those who (like me!) are thinking of the A6000 as a second string camera, I just read something a bit disappointing, which is that the AF-C mode with really fast subject tracking is available in Wide Area only - you can't start with a single point on your subject. It sounds as if this means that in effect, the camera will be choosing the subject.

    A fly in the ointment?

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    That's a big fly than for me.
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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    After looking at all the rumors and releases coming and analyzing my biggest issue with the current A7r and A7 with the Sony Adapter 4 working with a long lens like a ZA 70-200 is my AF points to get where i want and no matter what backup I use i will run into the same issue be it the A6000, Rumored A77 replacement and the A7 i will still run into the same issue because of the adapter. The only way around it is the new 70-200 FE lens that can take the AF all the way to the edges.

    So no matter how you slice the cheese it comes down to a lens issue as the A7 is certainly fast enough for my needs both in shooting speed and AF capabilities as far as tracking and nailing the image. Seems like the RX10, A6000 are all going to be a compromise over the A7 since I think it does everything right. Sure the A6000 might be faster but no vertical grip and maybe not built strong enough to withstand some hard usage and more important long lenses. Now the A6000 maybe very unique as a travel cam and even a backup where it may not be as critical but as I sit here and think about it the dang A7 and A7r are a really nice combination together. Same batteries , same grip , same settings essentially. So for me Im on a holding pattern on trying to replace the A7 for fast work as i think its just a matter of getting the longer FE glass and even the 24-70. Been just thinking on how to get the 24-70 without putting out extra money I don't have since i shot my 2014 budget in a about a week with 2 brand new expensive lenses plus accessories. I may just have to knit a new ski mask.

    Im also into a more robust camera and size and weight don't really mean as much to me as i am used to having so much bulk and weight over the years. Although this kit is smaller and lighter and like that benefit for sure. But you get too small and too delicate a system that can lead into some trouble with durability. Its a fine line for sure. But those are my thoughts at least and thought I would share.
    The fact that you can place the AF point anywhere in the frame of the A7/A7R is such a revelation compared to anything else. Is there any other FF camera that can do this? If there is, I can't recall using it.

    Hasselblad's True Focus can work for subjects at the very edge of the frame, but you still have to focus and recompose, so it's not the same.

    It's not only important for stuff like you are shooting Guy, but when working with a locked down camera on a tripod, it's a wonderful feature to place the AF point exactly where you want, it not just close to it.

    What we need is a Zeiss AF FE135/2 that optically barks right along with the FE55/1.8. That would fit my bill perfectly.

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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    Exactly Marc . I can't think of a cam that can get to the edges either. I always seem to get as high as the chest area on a vertical and honestly if there is no contrast clothing there it will miss. Swimsuits for example are really tough as it hits flat skin or a garment like a just shot with gowns there just is nothing there to bouncy off for focusing. The face is where you need to be. So my theory here is the FE glass and yes a FE 135 1.8 I would jump all over. Love my ZA 85 and 135 no doubt about it but I would be over the moon if they where FE. One reason alone here I don't want to give up the A7 as it is fast enough and the tracking is good enough plus it can handle those 15k shots per show without even a whimper . I never missed a shot because of the cam itself. If anything it outclassed many before it. I do need to shoot raw though which is just another step in the process but I did some timing and it turns out to be faster than shooting JPEG in camera than throwing a action on it which takes forever. So everything is there but a FE lens and either buy the 70-200 FE or just rent it. Renting it is fine as normal life I don't need over 135.

    Been churning this around but for this critical gig which I make a nice chunk of income from than the FE solution sounds the best. This would also be a decent sports setup as well in many situations.

    The only cam that might be better is not announced yet but if a A79 rumored that takes FE might be a answer but that's a rumor and I can't shoot rumors. Lol

    Obviously the A7 is not the holy grail but we will never see the holy grail anyway. I gave up on that years ago. Lol

    I sit here and watch what the 55FE lens can do and I see the answer. Just need longer glass
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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    Now I do think the A6000 can be a great backup cam to the A7r for folks that may not have this critical need. Its small, light weight and can take all there glass they have in the bag. Sure limited maybe but does sound like a great backup and the bonus takes the same batteries. I carry six batteries but never gone past 3 on a full day shoot. And that's a lot of shooting.
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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

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    Exactly Marc . I can't think of a cam that can get to the edges either. I always seem to get as high as the chest area on a vertical and honestly if there is no contrast clothing there it will miss. Swimsuits for example are really tough as it hits flat skin or a garment like a just shot with gowns there just is nothing there to bouncy off for focusing. The face is where you need to be. So my theory here is the FE glass and yes a FE 135 1.8 I would jump all over. Love my ZA 85 and 135 no doubt about it but I would be over the moon if they where FE. One reason alone here I don't want to give up the A7 as it is fast enough and the tracking is good enough plus it can handle those 15k shots per show without even a whimper . I never missed a shot because of the cam itself. If anything it outclassed many before it. I do need to shoot raw though which is just another step in the process but I did some timing and it turns out to be faster than shooting JPEG in camera than throwing a action on it which takes forever. So everything is there but a FE lens and either buy the 70-200 FE or just rent it. Renting it is fine as normal life I don't need over 135.

    Been churning this around but for this critical gig which I make a nice chunk of income from than the FE solution sounds the best. This would also be a decent sports setup as well in many situations.

    The only cam that might be better is not announced yet but if a A79 rumored that takes FE might be a answer but that's a rumor and I can't shoot rumors. Lol

    Obviously the A7 is not the holy grail but we will never see the holy grail anyway. I gave up on that years ago. Lol

    I sit here and watch what the 55FE lens can do and I see the answer. Just need longer glass
    Guy, same issue with some wedding shots … like the must have Bride being escorted down the aisle by her dad … gotta get a number of takes on it to assure the right expression on their faces for the keeper shot … and focus/recompose hasn't been exactly a stellar technique when all you have is either all black or all white fabric, in light that is hardly ideal.

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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    Yea wedding dresses are the same big focusing issue, totally agree just a big white nothing to focus on. Nightmare.

    Focus / recompose we been using for years and works most of the time but not in areas like we been chatting about. Its a kludge fudge way to do it.


    Glad I started this thread and hope it helps others if a critical need for AF solutions are needed I'm just not sure I see a better solution in any system for that matter. We need to get to the edges.
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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    In some situations, focus and recompose can work but it can be cumbersome but as Guy pointed out when shooting verticals tripod mounted, it almost becomes essential that the focusing points reach the subjects face, especially when getting the shot is fleeting and fast paced.

    Unfortunately the sensor spread is a major shortcoming of many of the current Nikon DSLR offerings below the large Pro level cameras such as D3's and D4's and D800 and to make matters worse, the large Pro cameras that have sufficient sensor spread (barely) don't afford me enough resolution and the D800 is too slow for these applications.

    That's why I read these Sony thread with interest, in order to see if their system for these applications is more workable.

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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    T - thanks for the info. Since I shoot primarily center weight focus, I do not want the camera choosing the subject of my photo for me. However, if it can still track faster than my a900 when the subject is coming towards me, it may be worth getting, although I would want a vertical grip.

    I shoot swimming photos of my son and his teammates. Since the a900 AF-C is pretty useless, I have become accustomed to shooting a bit in front of the subjects. Here are three photos: the first two were with the a900 and 70-200/2.8G and the third was with the a900 and R 50/1.4 focused about 10 feet in front of the starting block. All three are heavily cropped.


    ivanbreaststroke1 by MikalWGrass, on Flickr


    alkfly1 by MikalWGrass, on Flickr


    backstart4 by MikalWGrass, on Flickr

    Guy, how did the A mount 70-200/2.8G work on the A7 or A7R and would the E mount 70-200/4 give you better picture quality or would it just be better because the adapter mounts won't rock, the lens is designed for the body, and the carrying weight is less?

    Marc and Guy, I hear you both when you say it is tough to nail focus in low light when the material is all white or black and there is no contrast. Are you guys getting more keepers with the new system than you did before with your previous systems or is it all just a matter of ergonomics and the cameras assisting your eyes?

    I searched far and wide, maybe not far and wide enough, but I have yet to see someone shoot sports with either the A7 or the A7R. Maybe there is a reason but I also think the increased contrast in athletics would make the camera a breeze to shoot in those situations.

    Sorry for rambling. Thanks for your posts and insights.

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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    I actually did pretty good with the 70-200 2.8 G lens but it is more the fact of using the Sony adapter that just slows it down. I'm guessing and given the speed of the FE 55 the new 70-200 F4 will be much faster and more accurate at tracking over using a adapted lens. Sharper will have to see but given 70-200 F 4 zooms in Nikon and Canon it could be as equal to those. The Nikon F4 is really a solid lens with performance . Just easier to build for lens designers. So until we actually get a FE long zoom in our hands it's still a educated guess. Now as far as sports it may do pretty good on some sports and my bet is some folks are just waiting to see how the 70-200 fares when it comes out. Just have to see how the A7 ,70-200 combination works out.
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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    Guy, when you say tracking, do you mean tracking a subject that is moving parallel to you or coming at you?

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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    For me it is coming at me . Like on the front page here on the forum. Models walking down the runway right at me.

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    Guy, you should really try the A7 (not sure with the A7R) with the facial recognition turned on and on AF-C with any native lens, it has been working really well for me. The tracking is really crazily good! I know you are thinking about using with tele-zoom, but until the FE70-200mm arrives, the camera has been really useful at tracking subjects. So if it works for you the IQ will always be better on the A7 than on the A6000.

    Seriously, just try locking it to a subject and see it move around the whole LCD screen, pretty amazing really!
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    Certainly worth a test for sure
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    My take on this stuff is likely a bit different from others as my needs/desires are different.

    I am perfectly happy shooting with the Olympus E-M1 for anything where autofocus and speed, or LONG telephoto reach, are required. To my eye, the E-M1 is a far more sophisticated camera system, with many more options, than the A7/A7r is at present. The FourThirds and Micro-FourThirds lenses I've got are great quality. Files out of the E-M1 up to ISO 6400 are near identical to the A7 files. And the whole system, lens by lens, is just that much lighter, tighter, easier to carry than FF. As well as more ergonomic, more responsive, etc etc.

    I bought the Sony A7 specifically to use with my Leica R lenses with, along with a few of my favorite older Nikkors. I went with the A7 on the notion that it would give an easier compatibility ride for these old lenses than the A7r does, and it saved me a thousand dollars since I got a deal on the body. I wanted a FF sensor for these lenses as I believe that their very specific design intent is only expressed best on the format they were designed for ... Leica is like that. I'll never buy a Sony/Zeiss lens for this camera, and I'll only ever use manual focus, manual or aperture priority exposure mode, etc.

    So ... If I want a backup of something, I'll simply buy another of the same body in the same system I want to backup. To me, there's NO point to calling it a backup unless that's what you're doing: the point of a backup is that you have an identical replacement in case your primary goes down. In the case of the E-M1, I'll buy another E-M1. In the case of the A7, I *might* buy an A7r simply because the two bodies work identically, use identical power and accessories, and I get the option of the higher Mpixel sensor, everything else the same (modulo the shutter difference)—as it seems to be a proven thing that the Leica R lenses work just as well on the A7r as they do on the A7.

    Right now I'm completing my lens kit for the A7, the lens kit for the E-M1 is already complete. The 19mm should be here tomorrow and I have a line on a Summicron-R 35mm f/2 that I might push the button on today. That will mean I finally have a complete set of lenses from 19mm to 180mm, all top notch, most designed by the same person. I like that.

    A garage sale of other equipment I no longer use/want is going up to help empty my equipment closet's excess within a week, as these two cameras, the Hasselblads, and the Polaroids are the equipment base for the photography I want to be doing for the next while. I have several book ideas to start working on, it's time to stop mucking about with equipment and get back to doing photography ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikalWGrass View Post
    T - thanks for the info. Since I shoot primarily center weight focus, I do not want the camera choosing the subject of my photo for me. However, if it can still track faster than my a900 when the subject is coming towards me, it may be worth getting, although I would want a vertical grip.

    I shoot swimming photos of my son and his teammates. Since the a900 AF-C is pretty useless, I have become accustomed to shooting a bit in front of the subjects. Here are three photos: the first two were with the a900 and 70-200/2.8G and the third was with the a900 and R 50/1.4 focused about 10 feet in front of the starting block. All three are heavily cropped.


    ivanbreaststroke1 by MikalWGrass, on Flickr


    alkfly1 by MikalWGrass, on Flickr


    backstart4 by MikalWGrass, on Flickr

    Guy, how did the A mount 70-200/2.8G work on the A7 or A7R and would the E mount 70-200/4 give you better picture quality or would it just be better because the adapter mounts won't rock, the lens is designed for the body, and the carrying weight is less?

    Marc and Guy, I hear you both when you say it is tough to nail focus in low light when the material is all white or black and there is no contrast. Are you guys getting more keepers with the new system than you did before with your previous systems or is it all just a matter of ergonomics and the cameras assisting your eyes?

    I searched far and wide, maybe not far and wide enough, but I have yet to see someone shoot sports with either the A7 or the A7R. Maybe there is a reason but I also think the increased contrast in athletics would make the camera a breeze to shoot in those situations.

    Sorry for rambling. Thanks for your posts and insights.


    I tried to shoot a Kite boarding competition with it and to put it simply - NO WAY. It was great for the final ceremony, shots of the crowd & judges, but it went right back into the bag for the sport work. My D4 had to do the job. AFC just was not up to speed. It would start tracking then get behind and grab a wave top. The frame rate is sufficient but focus tracking is not even close.

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    After dumping all my nikon stuff I bought the a99 and the a7 to try them out. I ended up keeping the a99. Amazing camera. It just felt more flexible to me than the a7. Oh I just bought the new 70-200 G II. Will post som epics eventually when the weather clears up here.

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    After dumping all my nikon stuff I bought the a99 and the a7 to try them out. I ended up keeping the a99. Amazing camera. It just felt more flexible to me than the a7. Oh I just bought the new 70-200 G II. Will post som epics eventually when the weather clears up here.

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    My take on this stuff is likely a bit different from others as my needs/desires are different.

    I am perfectly happy shooting with the Olympus E-M1 for anything where autofocus and speed, or LONG telephoto reach, are required. To my eye, the E-M1 is a far more sophisticated camera system, with many more options, than the A7/A7r is at present. The FourThirds and Micro-FourThirds lenses I've got are great quality. Files out of the E-M1 up to ISO 6400 are near identical to the A7 files. And the whole system, lens by lens, is just that much lighter, tighter, easier to carry than FF. As well as more ergonomic, more responsive, etc etc.

    I bought the Sony A7 specifically to use with my Leica R lenses with, along with a few of my favorite older Nikkors. I went with the A7 on the notion that it would give an easier compatibility ride for these old lenses than the A7r does, and it saved me a thousand dollars since I got a deal on the body. I wanted a FF sensor for these lenses as I believe that their very specific design intent is only expressed best on the format they were designed for ... Leica is like that. I'll never buy a Sony/Zeiss lens for this camera, and I'll only ever use manual focus, manual or aperture priority exposure mode, etc.

    So ... If I want a backup of something, I'll simply buy another of the same body in the same system I want to backup. To me, there's NO point to calling it a backup unless that's what you're doing: the point of a backup is that you have an identical replacement in case your primary goes down. In the case of the E-M1, I'll buy another E-M1. In the case of the A7, I *might* buy an A7r simply because the two bodies work identically, use identical power and accessories, and I get the option of the higher Mpixel sensor, everything else the same (modulo the shutter difference)—as it seems to be a proven thing that the Leica R lenses work just as well on the A7r as they do on the A7.

    Right now I'm completing my lens kit for the A7, the lens kit for the E-M1 is already complete. The 19mm should be here tomorrow and I have a line on a Summicron-R 35mm f/2 that I might push the button on today. That will mean I finally have a complete set of lenses from 19mm to 180mm, all top notch, most designed by the same person. I like that.

    A garage sale of other equipment I no longer use/want is going up to help empty my equipment closet's excess within a week, as these two cameras, the Hasselblads, and the Polaroids are the equipment base for the photography I want to be doing for the next while. I have several book ideas to start working on, it's time to stop mucking about with equipment and get back to doing photography ...

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    A backup that sits does not do me much good but a backup with slightly different functions that can be a faster AF cam is very useful to me. The Oly simply is not in the cards and you need to try the A7 with a FE lens as it's pretty darn good. Now will it function faster than a D4 designed for sports no but that's not what I do either. The A7 is perfectly capable of doing runway but it needs FE glass to be more effective. But we won't know that till the lens hits the streets if its better than the Sony 4 adapter and a zoom G lens. We can only assume it will.
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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

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    A backup that sits does not do me much good but a backup with slightly different functions that can be a faster AF cam is very useful to me. ... you need to try the A7 with a FE lens as it's pretty darn good. ...
    Different perspectives, that's all. I fully expect most things I buy as "backup" to sit on the shelf for most of the time I own them. I only buy backups to ... back up ... essential equipment I cannot do without. ;-)

    If I need a different kind of camera to do something different, I buy that. But that's not a backup, that's an extension to my kit for another purpose.

    Probably our difference is all semantics.

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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    Yes its a backup plus a extra tool in the bag. It's serving two purposes. Nice thing is they share everything which is the best part.
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    Guy, just wondering how many perfect focus hits enough? I know if differs from photographer to photographer. Let's say that the new Zeiss 70-200/4 will focus a tenth of a second faster than with the A mount adapter. That will allow you x number more shots per model, and another y number of shots depending upon how many more models there are walking. How many more keepers do you expect, or is it more like the law of diminishing returns?

    I am asking you as a way of figuring out if the a900 is good enough or do I really need something else.

    I will NOT go Nikon or a99.


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    Sorry, didn't mean to use the term diminishing returns. I was thinking about something I was working on and typed it instead. What I meant to ask you is that will the extra shots make that much of a difference or is the photographer just chasing the perfect shot and hoping that in the extra shots the magical, perfect shot will materialize?

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    Well interesting question and the short answer they go up on smugmug for the model to buy . So given that and I have witnessed it sometimes they buy every shot but mostly if I shoot 6 to 7 on there walk they will most likely buy 3 if there pose or look is good as well. So in short more more when I get more keepers . Now this is a money venture so maybe not as important to others. Now most models will be in about 5 runway events. Jeans, swimwear, runway and than some talent events when on stage. Plus awards , red carpet events, fashion shows. So its big and why I shoot about 15k. The more than the more potential sales. Now having said that I just load them up but printing costs and smug mugs cut out of it which is pretty darn good for them than yes the more the merrier. Also a biggy I don't get time to edit so even the so so images get loaded up. I catch the blanks and stuff is there is one but editing is really time consuming as after each event I have images up in about 2 to 3 hours. I have a second shooter and a third one doing some other shooting as well. Big show my wife produces twice a year. And I work 18 hour days for like 5 days straight. Its killer plus I also do all the multi media stuff that goes on the big screens in the ballroom. So very time consuming and I need to just nail everything. I should say WE here, my second shooter and I break each other often.
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    Ah, thank you. Now I understand your need for speed. My swimming and sports shots are done for me, my family, and maybe a few others. No money making venture here, unfortunately. Maybe if I put my cameras away and wasn't so "accessible" with my photos, it might change.

    Thank you for taking the time to answer our questions and concerns.

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    My pleasure and I think its really good to hear about the really tough stuff we deal with as others can use that as a base to go by and hopefully learn the pitfalls and needs out there. Sports shooters for instance are up against a lot of walls as well for speed both in shooting, processing and uploading really fast as to beat the competition. A lot of these guys work on pay for image used. If you miss than no dinner. Lol
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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

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    T - thanks for the info. Since I shoot primarily center weight focus, I do not want the camera choosing the subject of my photo for me. However, if it can still track faster than my a900 when the subject is coming towards me, it may be worth getting, although I would want a vertical grip.

    I shoot swimming photos of my son and his teammates. Since the a900 AF-C is pretty useless, I have become accustomed to shooting a bit in front of the subjects. Here are three photos: the first two were with the a900 and 70-200/2.8G and the third was with the a900 and R 50/1.4 focused about 10 feet in front of the starting block. All three are heavily cropped.


    ivanbreaststroke1 by MikalWGrass, on Flickr


    alkfly1 by MikalWGrass, on Flickr


    backstart4 by MikalWGrass, on Flickr

    Guy, how did the A mount 70-200/2.8G work on the A7 or A7R and would the E mount 70-200/4 give you better picture quality or would it just be better because the adapter mounts won't rock, the lens is designed for the body, and the carrying weight is less?

    Marc and Guy, I hear you both when you say it is tough to nail focus in low light when the material is all white or black and there is no contrast. Are you guys getting more keepers with the new system than you did before with your previous systems or is it all just a matter of ergonomics and the cameras assisting your eyes?

    I searched far and wide, maybe not far and wide enough, but I have yet to see someone shoot sports with either the A7 or the A7R. Maybe there is a reason but I also think the increased contrast in athletics would make the camera a breeze to shoot in those situations.

    Sorry for rambling. Thanks for your posts and insights.
    Mikal, I do not know how the A7 does with its' dual AF solution … but I don't think the A7R has the over-all speed needed for true AFC Tracking like you are looking for.

    What Guy and I are talking about is the ability to place the AF point high enough in the frame to cover the face of a subject coming toward you.

    In my case, I still use AFS single shot and shoot a sequence at intervals to get 3 or 4 images as the subject comes closer … I normally use a 24-70 zoom for this type work and zoom from 70mm back to 30mm or so as they approach me keeping the heads in the same place. The ability to place the AF point higher eliminates the constant focus recompose issue which takes time, and sometimes can go wacky.

    Even if I had a camera that could do AFC and track extremely well, I wouldn't use it because I shoot these type shots in light that requires flash … which can't recycle quick enough to keep up with sports type tracking anyway.

    Different needs = different take on any given piece of gear pro or con.

    From what I saw in video demos of the A6000, it looks like it'll do exactly what you are looking for. Durability for you is probably vastly different from what it is for Guy. Whether the right lens exists for your application I couldn't say … yet.

    BTW, looks like you are doing okay using skill in place of technical aids … nice shots.

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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    Marc, I can confirm that unless you're shooting a race between two geriatric snails, the A7R's tracking might be challenged. I tried to use it for shooting my dog yesterday and it failed miserably. But I might try it on some slow-ish moving people next. Runway model work in dim light, I wouldn't risk personally!

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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    Hi Tim
    I did some experiments with the A7, which can manage geriatric snails with panache, but is equally useless with dogs! I think I would trust it on a runway though.

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    Marc, thank you for the compliments on the photos and the explanation of the necessity of the focus points being high enough on the frame so the photographer can get both the face and the clothing. Now I understand why some photographers focus high then move the camera a bit lower to shoot. Thank you.

    I am seriously thinking about the a6000 even though it does not allow spot focusing on the fast AFC, if only because it can also double as a travel camera. The only thing that would make the a6000 more enticing would be the availability of a Sony or third party battery / vertical grip., and an A mount adapter that would give me the same AF speed that E mount lenses may. Thank you again for the explanation.

    Jono, were the snails moving towards or parallel to you?

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    Re: The final backup answer to the A7r

    The a6000 might not even be a decent back up the A7R if SAR is correct: 1) no vertical battery grip planned, and 2) fast AF with A mount lenses and adapter will probably be faster than E mount lenses but slower than with A mount lenses.

    The dog and bird focus shots on Youtube are laughable.

    Can someone please tell me why Sony doesn't seem to get real photographers to put the camera through its paces instead of the usual suspects shooting pics of their dogs and feeding birds? The Youtube videos do this camera and Sony absolutely NO FAVORS.

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