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    Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Hi there
    Once again Tim has done an exhaustive (but not exhausting) review. It's excellently written and has some fine photos

    Worth mentioning that Tim has no advertising and makes no money from his blog.

    Zeiss 24-70 review

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    That really was a thorough review. Kudos! I may have to get that lens. I want to compare it to a Sony a-mount zoom I currently have parked on my A7R (Tamron 28-75 f2.8). It's a cheapo but I get very good results as a walk-around from it. If the 24-70 is as good it'll be a no brainer (OSS, AF etc.).

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Wow... Thorough review but I find the most credible "praise" (or condemnation for lack of a better word) ANYONE could ever give is when their money goes on the counter or when they sacrifice perfectly good gear to go towards the new system. I'm actually at a similar crossroads myself where I'm about to give up the M9-P as my primary 35mm color photography system. I was thinking of going MF but I think a Monochrom makes so much more sense FOR ME.

    This is the Sony forum so yeah just another lens I'll have to add. The best part is fits in nicely with my pursuit of an all Zeiss look kit for the A7 and A7r. I just bought a Contax 85/1.4, 135/2.8, and 180/2/8 in C/Y mount for portraits. I don't do too much long stuff and they weren't terribly expensive compared to buying Leica R lenses.
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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Thanks people!

    As I'm sure you're aware, DXO's results are out and it makes interesting reading.

    HiredArm, my cash is well and truly over the counter on this one as you can tell - and I'm now in the process of selling off a vast array of other stuff. I hate the hit but honestly, most of it I just don't use any more! I'm going to get the Metabones III and the Canon 24mm tilt shift and also the upcoming FE 70-200 and continue to use my Nikon mount Zeiss 21mm F2.8, Samyang 14mm and probably Zeiss Macro Planar 100mm while I wait for more EF lenses to arrive... this is the single biggest system change I've ever made. I just hope that Sony one day does a Mark II with a better shutter, IBIS, and the bloody shutter button in the right place...
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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Thanks people!

    As I'm sure you're aware, DXO's results are out and it makes interesting reading.

    HiredArm, my cash is well and truly over the counter on this one as you can tell - and I'm now in the process of selling off a vast array of other stuff. I hate the hit but honestly, most of it I just don't use any more! I'm going to get the Metabones III and the Canon 24mm tilt shift and also the upcoming FE 70-200 and continue to use my Nikon mount Zeiss 21mm F2.8, Samyang 14mm and probably Zeiss Macro Planar 100mm while I wait for more EF lenses to arrive... this is the single biggest system change I've ever made. I just hope that Sony one day does a Mark II with a better shutter, IBIS, and the bloody shutter button in the right place...
    I know the feeling bud. Right now there is no turning back , I'm all in. Now to buy the zoom. Here we go again. Lol
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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Thanks Tim - very very useful

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Thanks people!

    As I'm sure you're aware, DXO's results are out and it makes interesting reading.

    HiredArm, my cash is well and truly over the counter on this one as you can tell - and I'm now in the process of selling off a vast array of other stuff. I hate the hit but honestly, most of it I just don't use any more! I'm going to get the Metabones III and the Canon 24mm tilt shift and also the upcoming FE 70-200 and continue to use my Nikon mount Zeiss 21mm F2.8, Samyang 14mm and probably Zeiss Macro Planar 100mm while I wait for more EF lenses to arrive... this is the single biggest system change I've ever made. I just hope that Sony one day does a Mark II with a better shutter, IBIS, and the bloody shutter button in the right place...
    Agreed and I'm filling out my "gaps" with adapted lens. The A7 and 55 isn't going anywhere and I have a 35/2.8 preordered and paid for but assuming it's not in when I make it bad stateside I may switch that order to the 24-70 and pay the extra difference. I have the Rokinon 14 as well. I'm leaning towards picking up the 70-200/4 and swapping it for my A-mount one... maybe. I'm good with the Zeiss Contax 85, 135, and 180 combo (with the appropriate Novoflex adapters) for now based off results I've seen from them. Now this all means I may need a new bag with swapping gear like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Thanks people!

    I just hope that Sony one day does a Mark II with a better shutter, IBIS, and the bloody shutter button in the right place...
    Tim: I would bet that Sony will have a new A-X (A-7XYZ or A8 or A9 or all of the above) on the market within the year. The only question is what changes they will make. Sometimes they fix a mistake but then also leave out a feature that you really like. But of late they seem to actually be listening to people's comments so who knows maybe we are at the dawn of a new age of Sony customer satisfaction.

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Tim: I would bet that Sony will have a new A-X (A-7XYZ or A8 or A9 or all of the above) on the market within the year. The only question is what changes they will make. Sometimes they fix a mistake but then also leave out a feature that you really like. But of late they seem to actually be listening to people's comments so who knows maybe we are at the dawn of a new age of Sony customer satisfaction.

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    Hi there John........ Although Sony replace their entry level cameras with startling rapidity, it's not so true of the top of the range: How long was it between the A900 and the A99.... Between the A700 and the A77. Between the A77 and the ........ Between the NEX 7 and the ....... You see what I mean. I think the big hope is that there is a 'professional' build A7 camera to come soon, hopefully with a quieter shutter. EFC and more convincing weather sealing.

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    I think they know they're starting to eat Canikon's lunch and what with them scaling back on some produce areas such as TVs, they have given much more emphasis to imaging products in future. If they get the Fujii mojo right in terms of being responsive and providing timely FW updates, we'll all be happy.

    One thing's for sure: I never again want to shoot with something with the size, weight and appearance of the Battleship Potemkin, unless I really really have to!
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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    One thing's for sure: I never again want to shoot with something with the size, weight and appearance of the Battleship Potemkin, unless I really really have to!
    What's this "really have to" thing Tim?
    I thought you could do as you like?

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    I largely can, thank God. But sometimes I need, for whatever reason, to use a camera that can 'do' tracking well. They're all huge!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi there John........ Although Sony replace their entry level cameras with startling rapidity, it's not so true of the top of the range: How long was it between the A900 and the A99.... Between the A700 and the A77. Between the A77 and the ........ Between the NEX 7 and the ....... You see what I mean. I think the big hope is that there is a 'professional' build A7 camera to come soon, hopefully with a quieter shutter. EFC and more convincing weather sealing.
    Jono:
    It is true that Sony has stalled out on several lines of equipment (as you say, the DSLRs and the SLTs). I guess I'm being optimistic in assuming that the A7s have been successful enough to encourage Sony to proceed full speed in the mirrorless arena. If the A6000 really does prove Sony capable of building competent mirrorless autofocus cameras then I wouldn't be surprised to see that "pro-level" full-frame appearing at the end of the year. Of course I'm exposing my unbridled enthusiasm (read Sony fanboy optimism) but it's starting to feel like spring and that is when a young (!) man's fancy lightly turns to thoughts of love (of gear). Sony has suckered me in again. As the poker players say, "I'm all in."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Worth mentioning that Tim has no advertising and makes no money from his blog.
    Enjoy!
    Haven't read it yet, but I will for sure.

    But, what I really want to highlight and point out is in the quote from Jono. That is rare these days and should be appreciated and applauded. How often do you get a chance to read any kind of good/thoroug information in the web these days, without getting hammered by ads?

    Also, working with infosec I know all too well that it's quite common to get the nasty on your computer from these ads. And this even from well known sites like the new york times, because they have zero control over advertising servers from 3rd parties... could rant about this for hours!

    But anyway, thank you Tim!

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    I enjoy it Juha, and I hate advertising popping up while I'm reading too. In fact what I doubly hate is subscription sites with advertising...
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    Tim: Great stuff! I'm keeping mine.

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Just read it through and it was a really nice piece!

    The killer bit was Tim stating that Leica M & lenses are gone.. wow, who would have thought so? I did the same for my M9, but we're talking different league here.. Some photo gods are turning in their grave! :-)

    Just goes to show how exceptional system Sony has managed to develop. The tides are changing in the world of photography and old giants need to up their game or they'll vanish into margins.

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Quote Originally Posted by jlindstrom View Post
    Just goes to show how exceptional system Sony has managed to develop. The tides are changing in the world of photography and old giants need to up their game or they'll vanish into margins.

    //Juha
    I agree with the reality in how good the Sony system is beginning to be. I would like to see more from them (consistent support for the higher end bodies, more lenses of excellent quality, etc.) We are in a different enthusiast category from the majority of consumers. So while I agree I also know the average consumer associate dSLR as "pro" and anything else is just not - case in point I have a family member tell me at Christmas that I should get a Canon Digital Rebel (over my A7 and A7r) because it was professional... I kinda of laughed on the inside because the lenses on either one of my cameras costs more than his kit and lenses combined (not to mention he had no idea of how to work anything on the camera so it was constant AF mode in AUTO.) That being said that's the attitude and mentality that has to be overcome in the long run.

    I don't think that Canon or Nikon are going anywhere and I'd argue that mobile phones are the largest threat to them. I think whoever decides to come out with a dedicated "large format" sensor in a cell phone (between Apple, Google, or Samsung) that emphasizes IQ (and no I'm not talking about jamming 41MP on a standard cell phone sensor) will be able to make major waves in mobile photography. Sony actually has a great product with the QX10/100 accessories. I've seen many people with them for the sole purpose of taking better Instagram and VSCO selfies...
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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    The title of this thread says it all. Well done Tim.

    I have been testing my own copy of the 24-70mm and have discovered first-hand much of what Tim reports. In fact, I did a big smile and nod of concurrence when I read his "one golden rule" for use of the lens because I had just employed the same technique while shooting the day before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    One thing's for sure: I never again want to shoot with something with the size, weight and appearance of the Battleship Potemkin, unless I really really have to!
    You're lucky if you can be satisfied with the Sony system after having been a medium format user. The A7r does offer a lot of advantages for sure. Probably the best current DSLR IQ.
    But don't you miss the MF look/IQ ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Gowin View Post
    The title of this thread says it all. Well done Tim.

    I have been testing my own copy of the 24-70mm and have discovered first-hand much of what Tim reports. In fact, I did a big smile and nod of concurrence when I read his "one golden rule" for use of the lens because I had just employed the same technique while shooting the day before.
    Thanks Mark - I try quite hard to discover the stuff that a lab don't tell - and it is great to hear that other people have found the same phenomena!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anGy View Post
    You're lucky if you can be satisfied with the Sony system after having been a medium format user. The A7r does offer a lot of advantages for sure. Probably the best current DSLR IQ.
    But don't you miss the MF look/IQ ?
    Honestly, a properly shot A7R file with a really good lens loses nothing to most MF other than resolution for the higher pixel count backs. It has very slightly less colour depth, maybe risks ultra-mild posterisation with some extreme scenes, but has better noise characteristics at anything over 100ISO and slightly better DR.

    But I keep an IQ 180 for when I want the full sugar rush
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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    My right brain agrees with you, my left brain fully disagree.
    All tech data are in favor of the little Sony but I simply can't find the natural look of the S2 I'm now using in the Sony A7r.
    Equalized raw files can give very close print results technically but, still, everything is more present and alive with the S2. (Tried the A7r with the Zeiss 55mm f1,8, 50mm Sonnar, 35mm Zeiss and 24mm Canon T/S).
    This tiny left brain difference makes the Sony lose any interest to me (casual and low light shots apart).
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    Quote Originally Posted by anGy View Post
    My right brain agrees with you, my left brain fully disagree.
    All tech data are in favor of the little Sony but I simply can't find the natural look of the S2 I'm now using in the Sony A7r.
    Equalized raw files can give very close print results technically but, still, everything is more present and alive with the S2. (Tried the A7r with the Zeiss 55mm f1,8, 50mm Sonnar, 35mm Zeiss and 24mm Canon T/S).
    This tiny left brain difference makes the Sony lose any interest to me (casual and low light shots apart).
    Same thing I've experienced. The S2 stands alone in its' own place as far as look and feel, and nothing I've had the pleasure of working with challenges it based on that subjective visual criteria.

    Frankly, I think that's a good thing. A place for each tool.

    The A7R is a nice portable, very versatile and fun kit for a lot of different types of photography. But, if I'm doing a portrait, or want to delve deeply into some subject matter and explore it I always use the S2. It is a matter of "creative trust" the Leica S2/S lenses never seem to disappoint.

    It's all a very personal point of view.

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Thorough and great review, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    The A7R is a nice portable, very versatile and fun kit for a lot of different types of photography. But, if I'm doing a portrait, or want to delve deeply into some subject matter and explore it I always use the S2. It is a matter of "creative trust" the Leica S2/S lenses never seem to disappoint.

    It's all a very personal point of view.

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    You know, I have zero experience with Leica S-system and/or any MF system for that matter. And same goes for pro works or requirements. But I think I can understand where you're coming from, especially with the creative trust thing.

    With my humble shooting, I always get the best pictures with system I trust and enjoy.

    Currently the A7r is that system with the few lenses I have. But would be sure interesting to try something like Leica S sometime.

    For that matter, I'm getting R8 on monday.. another interesting trial :-)

    Anyway, back to topic. I shot the 24-70 in Tallin earlier this week. Was a real joy to use, but in dimly lit inside shots I think I bummed the focus. I'll see when I have time to process the shots. In many ways ran into what Tim was talking about.

    Would have had the need for a fast 90 or even fast 135 for sure, preferably with OSS. A 135/2 OSS would be the killer

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    I have to accept your experiences on the S2 - mine were less positive but I had one of the first copies and there were 'issues'. The files sure were lovely but I tend to feel for my own use that by the time I've tweaked to my satisfaction, I don't see any substantive differences with the IQ180 other than pure resolution and in some limited types of scene, a slightly better subtlety of tonal graduation that would be lost on most viewers.

    I know I have a reputation for being fairly picky but in truth I'm all for "easily good enough" - what I really hate is "should be good enough but isn't"...

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    I have to accept your experiences on the S2 - mine were less positive but I had one of the first copies and there were 'issues'. The files sure were lovely but I tend to feel for my own use that by the time I've tweaked to my satisfaction, I don't see any substantive differences with the IQ180 other than pure resolution and in some limited types of scene, a slightly better subtlety of tonal graduation that would be lost on most viewers.

    I know I have a reputation for being fairly picky but in truth I'm all for "easily good enough" - what I really hate is "should be good enough but isn't"...
    My initial experiences were similar Tim in fact, I did a test demo in Florida while on vacation, and rejected it. Later I tried it again and went for it based on the images.

    I think it may be a matter of using a particular tool until you don't just understand it, but have a feeling for how it matches up with how you see things . I'm serious about the whole "Creative Trust" aspect not trust as in it reliably works, but that you like the way the images look on a consistent basis to the point that you come to intuitively trust it'll be there. I think it takes time for that to happen.

    I'm sure what it is that I'm seeing would be lost on most viewers, but I'm not all that interested in someone else's take on the things of photography I personally enjoy. Content being the same, if it's missing others may still like the image, but I feel robbed of that little joy derived from those subtitles.

    I've only had two recent tools that I enjoyed that way the M9/MM and the S2 and no amount of "tweaking" and fussing with other cameras has produced the same results in a consistent manner. That I sold my M9P in anticipation of the M240 turned out to be one of my less than astute moves. If something clicks with you, stick with it.

    Yep, it's all so very personal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    ...(snip) I'm not all that interested in someone else's take on the things of photography I personally enjoy.
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    I totally agree but, truth be known, I'm more asymmetrical than a kit lens on this one: I'm very interested during the pre-purchase and learning phase, thereafter extremely interested if they agree and totally indifferent if they don't...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I've only had two recent tools that I enjoyed that way the M9/MM and the S2 and no amount of "tweaking" and fussing with other cameras has produced the same results in a consistent manner. That I sold my M9P in anticipation of the M240 turned out to be one of my less than astute moves. If something clicks with you, stick with it.

    Yep, it's all so very personal.

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    Indeed Marc - I still have my M9 and my MM, love them, but never use them, because I much prefer the M240 in every way.

    I'm becoming increasingly enthusiastic about the A7 . . . . but I'm only getting useful competence rather than passion. Maybe that'll change!

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    Indeed Marc - I still have my M9 and my MM, love them, but never use them, because I much prefer the M240 in every way.

    I'm becoming increasingly enthusiastic about the A7 . . . . but I'm only getting useful competence rather than passion. Maybe that'll change!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    That's because you need an A7R and 55 1.8
    I can't feel passion about anything with a second class EVF and a shutter that sounds like someone stamping on a tin can . . .twice! But I should have the 55 1.8 soon enough.

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Marc, well put. If one's interest is in making great images, its foolish to spend too much time learning new gear. Its much more important to spend as long as possible in the 'I know my kit backwards' phase.

    I agree re the MM. It just does what its supposed to do, every time and with suuuuch ease. part from when the thing locks up in discreet mode once in a blue moon

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    The S2 is massive compared to the A7R, so the two are not really in competition. That the A7R comes 'somewhere close' is one heck of a compliment. Lets not forget Zeiss has said it will produce manual focus lenses in E mount. It will be very interesting to see if they deliver a higher level of micro contrast and general 'image presence'. Even if not, I'm just not going to use a Leica S2 in the same way, so there i no comparison to be made (neither could I afford one anyway!).

    As a general point, I believe that Sony will be smart. These cameras have made such an enormous splash that I would be amazed if the very young system is not expanded upon and diversified within 12-18 months. By this, there could be higher spec 'pro' bodies and all sorts. The Nex was successful, but this has potential to be something else entirely. Sony will be smart and reinforce success. It would make no business sense not to do this.

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I can't feel passion about anything with a second class EVF and a shutter that sounds like someone stamping on a tin can . . .twice! But I should have the 55 1.8 soon enough.
    But the EVF IMHO is better than good enough - and the shutter, well, you get used to it. It's ages since I even noticed it. But I honestly think that until you've spent a week or two at least with an A7R and the 55, the amazingness of the combo just won't have fully sunk in. Really really.
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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    The construction of the lens is mostly metal, this quality of the lens is pretty good. I purchased this lens because I need the constant F4, plus the 24 mm on the wide end, which compare to the kit lens, the wide end is at 28mm. The review is based on using this lens with Sony A7. I am sure most of the photographers who are looking into buying this lens had done their homework from different website already. We all understand that, the edge performance is not as good as Sony's 24-70 f2.8 A mount lens. The edge performance only got better at F5.6 and higher, till F16. There are some hint of purple fringe in heavy contrasting background, but they can be easily fixed with Adobe Lightroom.
    This is a great walk around lens, I am just not 100% sure if the picture quality gain is up to twice the price of the 28-70 kit lens.
    Low light focusing is not as good as the kit lens or the 55mm f1.8. and the focusing speed is not fast either. 1 or 2 out of 10 shots the focusing just refuse to focus.
    Focusing speed is okay during the normal daylight. But it is still not as fast as the 55mm 1.8 or the kit lens.

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Tim, thanks for a great review!

    I did some tests, when i got mine and was very much surprised and disappointed about the severe distortions at all focal lengths.
    You seem to get the same results.

    For comparison I loaded images from RAW (LR5 developed) and the OOC in full resolution of different focal lengths and apertures.
    You find the them here at my flickr album

    I did not get it for landscape or architekture, but I found it very good for portraits and i like the close focusing. Samples are in this album
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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Seems a nice lens, but so much distortion !!

    How does AF speed on A7R ? Is it comparable to DSLR AF speed acquisition ?

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    Regarding the distortion, it was absolutely to be expected and I am surprised that you were surprised! Distortion has shown itself in recent times to be one of the easiest compromises to make in complex, compact zoom design - the fantastic Olympus 12-40 has a lot of it too - because it is one of the most easily fixed in post. Purists don't like this and they are very welcome to that view: I prefer to assess the overall quality of the finished image.

    In any event, no one is going to shoot these lenses for architecture unless they are very confident with corrections in post. In fact the wide angle Rodenstock lens I use on my Alpa tech camera with IQ180 back, my preferred solution for architecture, requires lens corrections. Nearly all lenses do, if you want perfect rectilinearity. And given that fact, the only issues AFAIAC are 1) the quality of the files after the correction... and 2) how much of the FOV do you lose by making corrections.

    An advantage with the A7R is that you see in the finder the 'after' FOV and that the lens seems a touch wider than advertised at each focal length so as to allow for the post corrections FOV to be about right. You don't get that on a Rodenstock.

    I will by buying a Canon 24 TSE to use for architecture on the A7R. You need the right tool for the right job. But in the meantime the 24-70 with corrections can be used for most work without problems.

    Regarding AF speed: to me it seems fine, and generally very accurate. It isn't as fast as the very fastest DSLRs or the Oly E-M1 but it is usually least fast enough - however, lenses with slower maximum apertures can get a bit stressed out in low light.

    For me the focussing systems on the A7r are good enough and flexible enough to meet my needs very well and in fact I get a higher keeper rate than I do with a D800E, though YMMV according to your style and subject matter!
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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    After much soul-(lens)-searching I just sold what remained of my fuji gear to cover the cost of this lens. I have never been a great lover of zooms but I think this lens will have it's place on the the A7. the Leica M and 28 summicron will still be my main lens for nearly all my work plus the FE55 on the A7 but I can see me doing landscape work maybe with the 24-70 on the A7 and the WATE on the M. Anyway time will tell and since buying the A7 the fuji kit hadn't been out of the safe. Have tried using the FE28-70 lens profile in LR5.3 which does an OK job until the update arrives

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Regarding the distortion, it was absolutely to be expected and I am surprised that you were surprised! Distortion has shown itself in recent times to be one of the easiest compromises to make in complex, compact zoom design - the fantastic Olympus 12-40 has a lot of it too - because it is one of the most easily fixed in post. Purists don't like this and they are very welcome to that view: I prefer to assess the overall quality of the finished image.

    In any event, no one is going to shoot these lenses for architecture unless they are very confident with corrections in post. In fact the wide angle Rodenstock lens I use on my Alpa tech camera with IQ180 back, my preferred solution for architecture, requires lens corrections. Nearly all lenses do, if you want perfect rectilinearity. And given that fact, the only issues AFAIAC are 1) the quality of the files after the correction... and 2) how much of the FOV do you lose by making corrections.

    An advantage with the A7R is that you see in the finder the 'after' FOV and that the lens seems a touch wider than advertised at each focal length so as to allow for the post corrections FOV to be about right. You don't get that on a Rodenstock.

    I will by buying a Canon 24 TSE to use for architecture on the A7R. You need the right tool for the right job. But in the meantime the 24-70 with corrections can be used for most work without problems.

    Regarding AF speed: to me it seems fine, and generally very accurate. It isn't as fast as the very fastest DSLRs or the Oly E-M1 but it is usually least fast enough - however, lenses with slower maximum apertures can get a bit stresses out in low light.

    For me the focussing systems on the A7r are good enough and flexible enough to meet my needs very well and in fact I get a higher keeper rate than I do with a D800E, though YMMV according to your style and subject matter!
    Tim, I am also not troubled about the lens designers/manufacturers relying upon post-processing software being used to correct for lens distortion and other imperfections. However, while Adobe is quick to provide dedicated lens profiles for a multitude of lenses and will no doubt soon provide one for the Sony/Zeiss FE 24-70 zoom, Phase One is in another world when it comes to providing lens profiles for lenses in Capture One. (They still don't have lens profiles for most of the Hasselblad H series lenses.) That prevents me from using Capture One 7 with the zoom, even though it might otherwise offer a better raw conversion in certain other respects.

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Phase are rather lacklustre in that - but I think DXO can probably do it to TIFFs exported from LR? For most of my use, corrections are really needed but I do really want to know that they're available when they are, like you!

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    I posted somewhere here (and certainly in my review) a link to a Custom Profile I found that does a good job in LR for the zoom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    I posted somewhere here (and certainly in my review) a link to a Custom Profile I found that does a good job in LR for the zoom.
    Thanks but I maybe going blind as I can't seem to find it

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    Thanks Tim. Unfortunately for me it is a windows file so I can't use it

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post

    I will by buying a Canon 24 TSE to use for architecture on the A7R. You need the right tool for the right job. But in the meantime the 24-70 with corrections can be used for most work without problems.
    I am not telling you anything new, Tim,
    but if somebody is interested in the Canon 17mm TS-E on the A7R, you may find my post at Steve Huff on this combo:.
    The Sony A7R with Canon 17mm/4 TS-E. Architecture Dream Team | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

    and all 17mm TS-E images in my 17mm TS-E album at flickr

    and here is this lens on the Leica M9!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viramati View Post
    Thanks Tim. Unfortunately for me it is a windows file so I can't use it
    Mine works on a mac...

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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    Quote Originally Posted by dierk View Post
    I am not telling you anything new, Tim,
    but if somebody is interested in the Canon 17mm TS-E on the A7R, you may find my post at Steve Huff on this combo:.
    The Sony A7R with Canon 17mm/4 TS-E. Architecture Dream Team | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

    and all 17mm TS-E images in my 17mm TS-E album at flickr

    and here is this lens on the Leica M9!
    That was fascinating. Thanks for the link and the work!
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    Re: Excellent review of the Zeiss 24-70 f4

    As an a900 owner with a huge investment in A mount high quality glass, my perspective (and optimism) regarding the A7 cameras and Sony in general is a bit jaded. I'm not buying into the FE system. I'm afraid of being cliff-hung yet again. I'm hanging in just long enough to see if this sensor makes it into an A mount body w/ IBIS. The a99 had zero appeal for me, though I tried hard to love it. EVF is flat out lousy compared to the OVF in the 900. It seems actually weird (and a bit irritating actually) that Canikon users can more easily opt for the A7r than Sony A mout users via the clunky SLT adapter. Argh!

    OK, pout-rant over :-)

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