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    Cmon, guys. Do you really sell off all that lovely, but not quite perfect gear, or just push it to the back of the closet where it can still call out to you from time to time? Tell me, which one of these should I let go, or wrap up for long term storage?



    All four, as well as the M9/SEM21 that took the picture, have been working hard in the past month or two.

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    I'm with Scott - sell NOTHING and keep it ALL!!! Sellers remorse is terrible and every dog has his day.



    Scott: keep the M and the SWC/M
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I'm much older than you Godfrey. Contact lenses is the answer
    Different dioptre in each eye. The 28 Framelines are as clear as anything
    Please define "much" ... It'll make me feel good. ;-)

    I haven't as yet been able to deal with contact lenses. Tried several times. Either my vision gets worse or my eyes complain by going dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Cmon, guys. Do you really sell off all that lovely, but not quite perfect gear, or just push it to the back of the closet where it can still call out to you from time to time? Tell me, which one of these should I let go, or wrap up for long term storage?



    All four, as well as the M9/SEM21 that took the picture, have been working hard in the past month or two.
    I don't know about that odd looking one in the middle. I didn't see it in your descriptions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I don't know about that odd looking one in the middle. I didn't see it in your descriptions...

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    It is a prototype Rubic's OrigamiCam. The odd thing is that it only shoots B&W...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    I'll have an A7 in my hands again tomorrow, then I'll likely spend the weekend agonizing over whether to keep the A7 or A7r. I know the resolution on the A7r makes me weak in the knees, but for whatever reason I remember enjoying using the A7 a bit more. Silly little things can tip the scales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I don't know about that odd looking one in the middle. I didn't see it in your descriptions...

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    It's a Hasselblad MarsRover DekatesseraCam, product of the new owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post

    Anyway - I wouldn't dream of selling the M camera - because it's my favourite squeeze.
    Seriously, then why did you include it in the dilemma discussion to begin with? Seems there are really then 2 of 3 cameras you need to dump...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Seriously, then why did you include it in the dilemma discussion to begin with? Seems there are really then 2 of 3 cameras you need to dump...
    I think I know the answer Jack; it is to emphasize that Leica is king for Jono.
    Am I right or am I right

    If I were Jono I would sell all three of them and buy the A7r and use it when a clunky shutter doesn't really matter and enjoy the sheer quality of that sensor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    I think I know the answer Jack; it is to emphasize that Leica is king for Jono.
    Am I right or am I right

    If I were Jono I would sell all three of them and buy the A7r and use it when a clunky shutter doesn't really matter and enjoy the sheer quality of that sensor.
    I think it was more so people could interject logic/opinion on his future kit based of the shortcoming or lens gaps (perceived or real) the M has.
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    The M stays . . . . but 2 of the others must go . . . .
    I make this kind of decision so poorly myself, I've learned not to advise at all. Fun thread, interesting read, and good luck with your decision, Jono.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Seriously, then why did you include it in the dilemma discussion to begin with? Seems there are really then 2 of 3 cameras you need to dump...
    Well I did say under the picture "the M stays but two of the others must go"
    And yes Michiel has it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCTuomey View Post
    I make this kind of decision so poorly myself, I've learned not to advise at all. Fun thread, interesting read, and good luck with your decision, Jono.
    Thank you. Still haven't decided!

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    Probably better to decide deliberately. I'm the opposite - have a knee-jerk reaction, sell something, then half the time end up buying it back. I'm a boomerang consumer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Cmon, guys. Do you really sell off all that lovely, but not quite perfect gear, or just push it to the back of the closet where it can still call out to you from time to time? Tell me, which one of these should I let go, or wrap up for long term storage?
    Oh, don't sell any of them if they're worked hard.
    I do sell off lots of gear, but I do still have favourites who have earned their place at the back of the cupboard (my E1 for instance, and several Leica bodies).

    And Godfrey, if you want to know How Much older I am than you. You'll have to tell me how old you are

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
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    And Godfrey, if you want to know How Much older I am than you. You'll have to tell me how old you are
    Well, President Dwight D. Eisenhower was only 18 months into his first term of office when I was born... My first Rolleiflex was an Automat Model 2, and it was five years older than I was when my grandfather gave it to me at age 13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Well, President Dwight D. Eisenhower was only 18 months into his first term of office when I was born... My first Rolleiflex was an Automat Model 2, and it was five years older than I was when my grandfather gave it to me at age 13.

    ;-)

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    Okay Godfrey, if your dates are accurate you can revel in the fact of being 22 months younger than I am. I hope it makes you very happy

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    Geez had to look that up. I was born right after He was elected. Damn I'm old as ****. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Geez had to look that up. I was born right after He was elected. Damn I'm old as ****. Lol
    When you "worry" about your age you are not old enough...when you are thankful for your years you truly are getting there.....


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    Continuing the topic excursion. Roosevelt (the second one) was very much alive when I was born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Okay Godfrey, if your dates are accurate you can revel in the fact of being 22 months younger than I am. I hope it makes you very happy
    Ah, you youngster! You're only as old as Guy.

    Actually 19 months into Ike's first term. I was off by a month: August 26, 1954 ... So you've got another month on me. I get younger and younger.

    When my older brother turned 60 last Summer, I told him that I could revel in being two years younger than him for 38 days and nights. He got a kick out of that. ;-)

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    Some time before Eisenhouwer became president I was born and our Dutch queen Juliana was crowned. I must be getting somewere.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Continuing the topic excursion. Roosevelt (the second one) was very much alive when I was born.

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    You dear young things Richard Nixon had been in office for just one year
    (Edward Heath had just become prime minister here in the UK) when I received my first cheque from a magazine publisher for some photography.

    Gosh ....... It's way past my bedtime, where are my slippers
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    Yes, I agree with what he said...

    I have an E-M5 which is a keeper because, I love using it with the 60mm f2.8 macro and the 9-18mm. Therefore, I don't feel like these focal ranges are missing from the Sony.

    The Oly and the Sony just feel like they are from the same family, and it is so easy to carry both and switch between them. They both fit in my Think Tank bag, and I continue to carry and use both.

    Didn't Sony release both the A7/A7r shortly after Sony made a significant capital contribution to Oly and agreed to partner in future photo developments? I guess the are both from the same family and related.

    PS. I used to have several "I Like Ike" t- shirts in many different colors. Guess I'm older than some of you.
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    You don't get too many folks joshing around about their age if they have reached three score and ten....because they are shocked to their bones, and buying every new camera they can before they croak

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    Well, the A7 finally showed up. For whatever reason, I just prefer the A7 in use. The A7r certainly wins on raw horsepower, but I think the A7 just clicks more with me (pun intended).

    If anyone is interested in a lightly used A7r body, let me know. I can't rationalize having both, especially since I get to write a $5K+ check to the IRS. Getting married is not financially advantageous
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    Jono & Godfrey you are both young. I had to look it up as well but I have Jono beat by 2 months. Now I'm feeling old

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Thank you. Still haven't decided!
    I would wait until Lightroom 5.4 is available before you make any final choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave92029 View Post
    Yes, I agree with what he said...

    I have an E-M5 which is a keeper because, I love using it with the 60mm f2.8 macro and the 9-18mm. Therefore, I don't feel like these focal ranges are missing from the Sony.

    The Oly and the Sony just feel like they are from the same family, and it is so easy to carry both and switch between them. They both fit in my Think Tank bag, and I continue to carry and use both.

    Didn't Sony release both the A7/A7r shortly after Sony made a significant capital contribution to Oly and agreed to partner in future photo developments? I guess the are both from the same family and related.

    PS. I used to have several "I Like Ike" t- shirts in many different colors. Guess I'm older than some of you.
    Thanks. To me it feels the same way.
    E-M5 and especially E-M1 seem to have a UI that's built on some of the same principles as that of the A7r.
    I have those three cameras and an M9 for the rangefinder fix and don't feel the urge to sell any of them.
    Same for my NEX-5N and NEX-7.

    Some of those cameras are very handy when paired more or less permanently with a specific lens, for example the Olympus cameras with the 12-40/2.8 and 75-300 II lenses, or the Leica Telyt-R APO 280/4 with either A7r or with NEX-7 for extra reach/more detail. The WATE 16-18-21/4 works nicely on A7r or on the NEX-5N. Of course the A7r works also well in AF mode with the native 35/2.8 lens. Just to mention a few. What's not to like?
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    All this age-related-comparison-camera-owning stuff only goes to underline Pete Townshend's famous song:

    "Well a young man
    He ain't got nothin' in the world these days
    I said a young man
    Ain't got nothin' in the world these days

    In the old days
    When a young man was a strong man
    All the people stepped back
    When a young man walked by

    You know nowadays
    Well it's the old man's
    Got all the money
    And a young man
    Ain't got nothin' in the world these days

    You know nowadays, if you're the young man
    You ain't got nothin' in the world these days"

    (I prefer the 'Live in Leeds' rendition where the last line is somewhat more robust in it vocabulary...)
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    Jono,

    I've enjoyed this thread, here is some more to ponder from yet another opinion...

    Keep the Leica. You clearly like it to use and I can understand it holds a certain style of use that you like. With the M9 IF you parted with it, the cash will no doubt quickly be absorbed elsewhere and it will be hard to pony up the $$ later to buy another, if you get my drift. You have it, want it, don't lose it - there will be regrets.

    Back to the question of whats to go F, do you consider the optics in the equation? Are you likely to want or add other lenses. For example, I lament the lack of native m43 10mm (21mm equiv) but there is a beautiful example of the 14mm (21mm) for the Fuji. Could the optics drive your choice?

    IF are you just sticking with the zooms, then perhaps the best zoom here could then decide your choice of which body?

    One little thing to remember is the A7 can use the APS-C lenses, so that kind of covers what the Fuji/Olympus offers in sensor size. You don't have to always use the A7 at full sensor size. Although there is always the handling of each camera to confuse the issue. Consider also where the "extra" system will be used. If horseback the EM-1 would be essential for that 5 axis stabilizer.

    I do believe "less is more" with regards to equipment, but that's easy for me to say as I am not making a living from mine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Well I did say under the picture "the M stays but two of the others must go"
    And yes Michiel has it.
    Okay, then you're suggesting you probably should have asked this question in the Leica forum instead of the Sony forum?

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    My friend made it real for me yesterday when he told me that my students (18) are closer to my daughters age (8) than mine (33). That said most of you here are old enough to be my father...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    My friend made it real for me yesterday when he told me that my students (18) are closer to my daughters age (8) than mine (33). That said most of you here are old enough to be my father...
    Agreed most are around my parents age but it's all good.
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    I've owned the M9, Xpro 1, and tried to use the A7. It's funny the one I like to hold most is the Sony A7 - however, it won't even turn on! The Xpro1 was amazing, but the lens chatter and the video record button was not. The Xt1 seems to have the same video button, and the M9, while nice images and lenses, was overpriced for what it did. I hated the M9 shutter sound too. The M9 never captured the essence of the film bodies, imo, but the rangefinder experience was satisfying. As soon as I held the A7 i liked it. I was excited to mount the lens and pack it in my little clik elite bag, as I've never held such a tiny FF camera. Alas, that won't happen either as the camera won't take a charge or power up. If it did, I would probably keep it because of its form factor, FF and the endless lens choices. The A7 has been said to make better use of some Leica lenses too.

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    Jono and other GASaholics, do you sell off whole systems freely when they are obsoleted by the grand march of photographic progress, or hold the lenses and pass along the bodies? I've deaccessioned M bodies (but not the M2), but kept the lenses. Burglars replaced some nice E-1 gear with an insurance payment a few summers back, so that amounts to a system replacement . I notice that good lenses are holding their value or appreciating, while perfectly useable digital bodies quickly drop to 50-60% of their new prices, so they contribute more to the gear pool if sold than if they sit back in the closet waiting their turn in the sun.

    Another wonderful thing about lenses, is that the older ones develop character, while the newer ones come with more "clinical" scientific observing power, so there is plenty of use for each.

    As for the complaint about "old guys having all the money," according to Thomas Piketty's "Capital in the 21st Cenmtury," we are entering into a world dominated by immense dynastic fortunes, the Buffets or the Borgias, I guess. Economic and political forces all reinforce this. So watch out!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    Well, the A7 finally showed up. For whatever reason, I just prefer the A7 in use. The A7r certainly wins on raw horsepower, but I think the A7 just clicks more with me (pun intended).

    If anyone is interested in a lightly used A7r body, let me know. I can't rationalize having both, especially since I get to write a $5K+ check to the IRS. Getting married is not financially advantageous
    I'm certainly enjoying the A7 too, and don't feel much deficit from its "only 24Mpixel" resolution.

    Trying not to buy anything further here. For a little bit at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnygoesdigital View Post
    I've owned the M9, Xpro 1, and tried to use the A7. It's funny the one I like to hold most is the Sony A7 - however, it won't even turn on! The Xpro1 was amazing, but the lens chatter and the video record button was not. The Xt1 seems to have the same video button, and the M9, while nice images and lenses, was overpriced for what it did. I hated the M9 shutter sound too. The M9 never captured the essence of the film bodies, imo, but the rangefinder experience was satisfying. As soon as I held the A7 i liked it. I was excited to mount the lens and pack it in my little clik elite bag, as I've never held such a tiny FF camera. Alas, that won't happen either as the camera won't take a charge or power up. If it did, I would probably keep it because of its form factor, FF and the endless lens choices. The A7 has been said to make better use of some Leica lenses too.
    Just trade it for one that works.. ;-)

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    i remember running around the schoolyard, 3rd grade, with kids wearing "I Like Ike" buttons. my parents were democrats, so Adlai was their man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    i remember running around the schoolyard, 3rd grade, with kids wearing "I Like Ike" buttons. my parents were democrats, so Adlai was their man.
    I'm ashamed to say that my parents sent me out to the streetcorner to sell those buttons.

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    Just trade it for one that works.. ;-)

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    First impressions are important and if a camera doesn't work for me when opening the box it doesn't instill confidence. I need a small FF camera for remote, snowy climates and thought the A7 would suffice, albeit, with several batteries. Like my Hasselblad H4D/40, when it arrived new, it didn't work, after the third replacement, I decided the QC was not up to my standards and would never purchase a Hasselblad digital again. So, it may be simple to trade a camera back for one that hopefully works, the turnaround can take a week or so. I want to take photographs, not exchange cameras, but might try again later after others have tested a (beta version), 1st gen. camera

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnygoesdigital View Post
    First impressions are important and if a camera doesn't work for me when opening the box it doesn't instill confidence. I need a small FF camera for remote, snowy climates and thought the A7 would suffice, albeit, with several batteries. Like my Hasselblad H4D/40, when it arrived new, it didn't work, after the third replacement, I decided the QC was not up to my standards and would never purchase a Hasselblad digital again. So, it may be simple to trade a camera back for one that hopefully works, the turnaround can take a week or so. I want to take photographs, not exchange cameras, but might try again later after others have tested a (beta version), 1st gen. camera
    Just one thing to check: Did you plug the camera in and charge the battery?

    I've heard of several of these cameras being received with the battery too low on charge to even power the screen on. Mine was. I plugged it in and charged it up, nothing wrong with the camera at all.

    (One of the true annoyances with the A7 is that Sony packages it with only a USB power supply, you have to charge the battery in the camera. It's such a dumb idea—I immediately bought three more batteries and a pair of external battery chargers.)

    I wouldn't worry too much about it being a "version 1" camera. A lot of folks have been using it quite a lot with very few real difficulties. It's not like the Hasselblad, which is manufactured in far smaller quantities and has generally a more difficult startup ramp as they cannot make a couple hundred and just test them like Sony does.

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    Mine, too, came with a dead battery. Putting a charged battery in, did not help, because the internal battery was dead. Once charged, all was good. I've had mine since November without any problem.

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    It's an easy thing to overlook but does affect a few users.

    Lol, I have been a perpetual Sony camera 'beta tester' for five years now...not once has any of these five cameras failed in tough field conditions.

    The trouble with waiting for the next version is that Sony is so manic in releasing new and even better cameras you might be waiting a while. ;-)

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    Someone asked about video (can't recall if it was this thread). Here is a clip from tonight that my wife shot with the A7 (because I was playing bass). 24-70/4 lens, shot program mode, straight out of the camera and upload to youtube - no post. In addition, this was using the onboard mics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnygoesdigital View Post
    I've owned the M9, Xpro 1, and tried to use the A7. It's funny the one I like to hold most is the Sony A7 - however, it won't even turn on! The Xpro1 was amazing, but the lens chatter and the video record button was not. The Xt1 seems to have the same video button, and the M9, while nice images and lenses, was overpriced for what it did. I hated the M9 shutter sound too. The M9 never captured the essence of the film bodies, imo, but the rangefinder experience was satisfying. As soon as I held the A7 i liked it. I was excited to mount the lens and pack it in my little clik elite bag, as I've never held such a tiny FF camera. Alas, that won't happen either as the camera won't take a charge or power up. If it did, I would probably keep it because of its form factor, FF and the endless lens choices. The A7 has been said to make better use of some Leica lenses too.
    The X-Pro 1 I had must be faulty as it does not have a video button, thankfully. The X-T1 does however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Just one thing to check: Did you plug the camera in and charge the battery?

    I've heard of several of these cameras being received with the battery too low on charge to even power the screen on. Mine was. I plugged it in and charged it up, nothing wrong with the camera at all.

    (One of the true annoyances with the A7 is that Sony packages it with only a USB power supply, you have to charge the battery in the camera. It's such a dumb idea—I immediately bought three more batteries and a pair of external battery chargers.)

    I wouldn't worry too much about it being a "version 1" camera. A lot of folks have been using it quite a lot with very few real difficulties. It's not like the Hasselblad, which is manufactured in far smaller quantities and has generally a more difficult startup ramp as they cannot make a couple hundred and just test them like Sony does.

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    Charge the camera/battery before use = Standard Operating Procedure. Not reading the manual is such a "Guy Thing"

    Given the battery consumption, I would have preferred a standard 2 battery charger with the A7/A7R plus the USB cord … because I can charge the camera using my cars' USB port, or from my laptop when traveling light. So, I like the USB cord, and see its' value … but not at the expense of a regular overnight plug-in the wall charger. Makes you wonder what other corners they cut to bring "Mighty Mouse" to market at this price point?

    Luckily, after using it for some time now, I haven't found any other cut corners. I'm thinking of adding the A7 to the A7R so I have a quieter camera when desired, and a back-up using the same lenses when traveling. Prices and packages are falling already, so it's getting more attractive.


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    The M stays . . . . but 2 of the others must go . . . .
    Jono, I just saw and commented on your A7 flower shot with the M50/0.95.

    I'm such a visceral animal when it comes to making decisions about gear, that if I took that photo, I'd have listed the other two cameras for sale immediately.

    One picture is worth a thousand words intellectually and rationally discussing this stuff.



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    I know what you are trying to do here, Jono, keep this thread going so long that you never have to decide :-)
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