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    Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Mark Weir from Sony hinted at "Something Wicked This Way Comes." when he mentioned that Sony will announce camera(s) that have never been made before.

    I think Sony smells blood in the water, and is ramping up their juggernaut for more industry shockers.

    Just for kicks and giggles, what do we think that could be?

    My initial thoughts just based on known or strongly rumored info:

    1) There has already been info that suggests an A99 replacement that will modularly take both A and FE mount FF lenses. Probably 36 meg. Meh, not a conquest camera IMO.

    2) Also, a 50+ meg 35mm sensor has been on the rumor circuit for some time. Could this be the first time Sony uses a new higher res 35mm sensor first instead of selling it to Nikon like with the D3X and D800? That'd get my attention.

    3) Then we have their new 50 meg MFD CMOS chip being employed by Phase and Hasselblad. A MFD mirror less camera could shake things up quite a bit … and it isn't like their pal Zeiss doesn't know how to make MF lenses.

    Your thoughts?

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    I've got a feeling we're talking about more niche openers like the rumoured B&W sensor.

    Can't stop feeling that I wish they would be like Fuji and improve their current cameras but that doesn't seem to be Sony's way.
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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I've got a feeling we're talking about more niche openers like the rumoured B&W sensor.

    Can't stop feeling that I wish they would be like Fuji and improve their current cameras but that doesn't seem to be Sony's way.
    Yeah Ben, Sony's way forward seems more of a conquest strategy against entrenched competition. Pour on the innovations like a Gatling Gun, and see what sells. Must be interesting to work in their R&D department.

    Although, I must say their DSLR and SLT cameras have been stalwarts … I've now used Sony 35mm longer than I ever did Nikon or Canon systems.

    B&W sensor wouldn't be "never before made" … Leica MM did that already.

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    I'm just anxious to see what the next FE lens offerings will be.

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    My recent outing with an A7 convinced me that size does matter. (it's not the size, but how you use it!) I hope Sony R&D's more native lenses such as 18mm or 200mm f/2, or even an OVF option for the A7's. Their products are innovative enough to capture a good market share and I think a higher MP FF camera will appeal to many because of the trend to be the first.

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Interesting stuff - to be fair to Sony, it's their consumer stuff that changes every ten minutes - their high end kit (A77, A99, A900 etc.) seems to have a long shelf life.

    If they're making something that's never been made before, the only thing I can think of is a larger than full frame EVF camera - which explains the new 50mp CMOS chips as well.

    Personally I wouldn't mind an A99 type camera which takes both sorts of lenses - especially if it were A77 sized.

    But what I really want is a camera with the A7r sensor and a quiet shutter with no lag.

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Interesting stuff - to be fair to Sony, it's their consumer stuff that changes every ten minutes - their high end kit (A77, A99, A900 etc.) seems to have a long shelf life.

    If they're making something that's never been made before, the only thing I can think of is a larger than full frame EVF camera - which explains the new 50mp CMOS chips as well.

    Personally I wouldn't mind an A99 type camera which takes both sorts of lenses - especially if it were A77 sized.

    But what I really want is a camera with the A7r sensor and a quiet shutter with no lag.
    Yep, as I noted, I've stuck with their A mounts now longer than any other brand.

    Not that those "quite/no lag attributes" haven't been seen before … again, Leica is there with the M240 (as a rangefinder).

    If Sony provides quieter/no lag, we'll have to buy a new camera to get 'em. I'm already thinking of the A7R as my back-up to what is sure to come next … the rumored higher-end A7(?) version (what-ever higher-end means).

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Mark Weir from Sony hinted at "Something Wicked This Way Comes." when he mentioned that Sony will announce camera(s) that have never been made before.

    I think Sony smells blood in the water, and is ramping up their juggernaut for more industry shockers.

    Just for kicks and giggles, what do we think that could be?

    My initial thoughts just based on known or strongly rumored info:

    1) There has already been info that suggests an A99 replacement that will modularly take both A and FE mount FF lenses. Probably 36 meg. Meh, not a conquest camera IMO.

    2) Also, a 50+ meg 35mm sensor has been on the rumor circuit for some time. Could this be the first time Sony uses a new higher res 35mm sensor first instead of selling it to Nikon like with the D3X and D800? That'd get my attention.

    3) Then we have their new 50 meg MFD CMOS chip being employed by Phase and Hasselblad. A MFD mirror less camera could shake things up quite a bit … and it isn't like their pal Zeiss doesn't know how to make MF lenses.

    Your thoughts?

    - Marc
    I was thinking a combination a mirrorless MF camera that also accepted and supported AF for A and E mount lenses (FE and E) through the use of adapters. Maybe we can get a cropped 24-36 MP solution using the A and FE lenses while E mount would probably give 12-18 or so. Maybe Sony developed a modified version of the MF sensor that they're selling to Phase, Hasselblad, and Pentax that has a 3:2 ratio. I'm thinking a reasonably priced Leica S direct competitor. There's clearly a $3000+ market Sony hasn't tapped into. Smart and dumb adapters would be made for it. People would've had plenty of manual focus practice with the other mirrorless systems.

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Mark Weir from Sony hinted at "Something Wicked This Way Comes." when he mentioned that Sony will announce camera(s) that have never been made before.

    I think Sony smells blood in the water, and is ramping up their juggernaut for more industry shockers.

    Just for kicks and giggles, what do we think that could be?

    My initial thoughts just based on known or strongly rumored info:

    1) There has already been info that suggests an A99 replacement that will modularly take both A and FE mount FF lenses. Probably 36 meg. Meh, not a conquest camera IMO.

    2) Also, a 50+ meg 35mm sensor has been on the rumor circuit for some time. Could this be the first time Sony uses a new higher res 35mm sensor first instead of selling it to Nikon like with the D3X and D800? That'd get my attention.

    3) Then we have their new 50 meg MFD CMOS chip being employed by Phase and Hasselblad. A MFD mirror less camera could shake things up quite a bit … and it isn't like their pal Zeiss doesn't know how to make MF lenses.

    Your thoughts?

    - Marc

    Marc:
    Sony saying something like "never made before" is surely worrisome for their competition (and their present customers!). They tend to be hyperactive. My wishful thinking is that they are coming up with a version of option 1. What I'd like to see is a full sized (DSLR shaped body) mirrorless camera with the e-mount and a robust A-mount adapter that supports all the old lenses (screw drive too). And most importantly it can compete head to head with a Nikon or Canon pro camera (think D4S). Good AF (sport), good high ISO (occasion), good programming options and rugged (water proof). In other words a real honest to goodness pro camera. Well I can dream can't I?

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    "Never been made before" from Sony would probably be a bridge between the smartphone and pro cameras.

    Everywhere I go I see people using their Smartphones to take photos. I would bet that Sony would want to capture a part of that market. Maybe a way to use the smartphone as the camera body and connect it to an existing or new professional lens system.

    Device manufactures of cameras and GPS' are getting their markets eroded by the smartphone. Camera makers like Sony will need to find a way to include smartphone users in their circle of customers in order to thrive in the future. A device or accessory that utilizes the smartphone would have a tremendous potential market, and "never been made before".

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by dave92029 View Post
    "Never been made before" from Sony would probably be a bridge between the smartphone and pro cameras.

    Everywhere I go I see people using their Smartphones to take photos. I would bet that Sony would want to capture a part of that market. Maybe a way to use the smartphone as the camera body and connect it to an existing or new professional lens system.

    Device manufactures of cameras and GPS' are getting their markets eroded by the smartphone. Camera makers like Sony will need to find a way to include smartphone users in their circle of customers in order to thrive in the future. A device or accessory that utilizes the smartphone would have a tremendous potential market, and "never been made before".
    Great thinking . . . . but haven't they already done this?

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    I for one, loved the Mamiya 6 camera, and would absolutely love a slightly larger sensor mated with leaf shutter lenses, but not in a RF format; use a EVF like the A7 cameras.

    If someone could figure that one out, I'd be a very interested person, and that certainly has not been done yet.

    Their upcoming dual EA/A mount camera has been revealed already at some level of detail, so there is no reason to be oblique about a reference to that camera I don't think? Must be something else.

    Does anyone remember the hype surrounding the Segway before it was publicly introduced? Had people talking about flying cars, blah blah blah... turns out it was a two wheeled scooter. I hope Sony is serious about those types of claims, otherwise it becomes a bit of a joke "The best... EVER!".
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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Let's go crazy with guessing... RX2r with MF sensor and 50mm equiv lens. Size around A7 twins, fixed lens.

    Now that would be something!

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Nobody else is suffering from GAS pains from this?

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    It got to have IBIS!
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    Oh and maybe this thing will or could take Hasselblad lenses too. It probably wouldn't cannibalize Hasselblad saleas it would be a "closed" system.
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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    I still have my A900 and lenses, and also the A7R. I am in the minority (left eyed...I have trouble with the A7R viewfinder in bright sun light), but I much prefer OVF of the A900 over the EVF of the A7R, so I would like to see a OVF 36 MP replacement for the A99.

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    An A7R that with leaf shutter, no AA filter, and a sensor comparable to the RX1R would do me very well.....but ideally, more diversity in lenses would be best.....

    I suspect that an affordable Sony Branded camera with MF sensor might be interesting, if it competed at a price point with high end SLR's from Canikon....but once again, what lenses to be used.....this type of camera would effectively complete with the 645D, which reportedly houses that Sony sensor...probably at the 645D's price point....

    Maybe this is where Sony and Hasselblad's partnership blossoms for the better...no more Lunars, Solars, or Buggars, please....
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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    You could make a larger square sensor and still use 35mm format lenses (most of them, anyway).


    Sort-of a mini MF format.

    Or, move up to something really MF, put a shutter in the camera, but also permit leaf shutters in the lenses. It wouldn't need to be 6x6 or 6x9 or anything, more like the Leica S sensor would be sufficient.

    In fact, what Sony needs to do is buy Leica and fire all of the electronics people over there. Then, make some SoLeicas with 36MP Sony sensors inside, and also power froward with the mirrorless format. Hahaha... just kidding.
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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Yeah, perhaps full-frame Foveon sensor. Will it be mirrorless? Hmm.

    How small could they make a MF RX-1 I wonder? Would it be worthwhile with a fixed 50/2 lens on it? The RX-1 has huge IQ improvements over anything else that size, could they make a medium-format fixie good enough to be another such leap?

    There has certainly been a lot of talk about "hybrid" cameras and perhaps square formats from the rumor mill over the past couple years.

    Do the FE lenses have rectangular baffles on the back? That would kinda rule out them going with a MF mirrorless that lets you use FE lenses in square crop.

    There's that whole "Z-shift" thing too. That would certainly be new.

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    The a7/a7r are the products of getting on to a year's market development lost to the A DSLRs, so 2014 will see them charge back on that front, probably with a bigger, better sensor and associated developments that they will hopefully never sell first to Nikon. There might be anything on this 'black ops' camera and it will very likely feature a high end variant to raise the image quality bar. At least one with super fast/accurate AF, high fps, and with other factors to ensure niche development of each model. One a studio focused model?

    DSLRs are now quietly settling to a reduced standard size, as the DF, a77, a99 and 6D are all around 750 grams. Maybe a set of models (50Mp-36Mp-24Mp) stabilised and standardised re tech and with other factors to ensure niche development. The new a77 is out soon, it is the next look at their 'product test bed' model.

    In RX land (a parallel team), a high Mp model (or more likely models) is almost inevitable, as the 2/35 Sonnar is good for 36Mp and more. They either need a range of them (24mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm) or some form of zoom. Users are increasingly looking for quiet cameras, maybe something there in an ILC RX, differentiated from the a7/r?

    More FE cameras have been signalled already, different to the a7/a7r. How? No idea. The smaller 'NEX' series might head slowly towards redundancy, evern Zeiss are featuring an article of the Touits and longer ZMs being used on an a7r:

    Touit and ZM lenses on the Sony Alpha 7R

    Trying to anticipate Sony is like dancing with an 800 pound gorilla - you don't stop when you want to. They never stop. 2014 for Sony users is a case of:

    Buckle up bonehead, you're going for a ride!

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    The smallest Medium Format camera with an EVF would be awesome!
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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    The smallest Medium Format camera with an EVF would be awesome!
    Agreed. A smaller non-645 based system in the "spirit" of a Mamiya 7 or a MF Zeiss Ikon would be very appealing to many who are alright with a closed MF system... Provided it's highly portable with high quality lenses. Given Sony's track record they don't usually put significant R&D into their "halo" models without it trickling into other products be it SLT technology, IBIS, cutting edge sensor tech, etc. Maybe a system like this with a leaf shutters option a la the RX1 is a possibility.
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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Hmmm...it's on his way. :dh2:

    So it will have no Foveon type of sensor but the same sensor as Hasseblad and Pentax.

    Because it will have no mirror, would it be possible to mount numurous MF lenses on it with adapters because it will have a shorter flange distance?
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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Hi Michiel,

    what do you mean with 'MF lenses' : manual focus or medium format ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by f6cvalkyrie View Post
    Hi Michiel,

    what do you mean with 'MF lenses' : manual focus or medium format ?

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by f6cvalkyrie View Post
    Hi Michiel,

    what do you mean with 'MF lenses' : manual focus or medium format ?

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    Hi Rafael, I mean Medium Format in this case, preferably with Manual Focus possibilitys as well. That would mean cheaper adapters.
    I like manual focus with a good EVF.
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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Agreed. A smaller non-645 based system in the "spirit" of a Mamiya 7 or a MF Zeiss Ikon would be very appealing to many who are alright with a closed MF system... Provided it's highly portable with high quality lenses. Given Sony's track record they don't usually put significant R&D into their "halo" models without it trickling into other products be it SLT technology, IBIS, cutting edge sensor tech, etc. Maybe a system like this with a leaf shutters option a la the RX1 is a possibility.
    I'm sure you meant to say "Mamiya 6" there... Hahaha!

    Man I loved that camera. Not the original one (with the collapsing bellows), but the second one with the collapsing hard mount.

    It sounds like we all agree, though. We need a MF camera in a rangefinder format, ala Mamiya 6 or 7, with an EVF and focal plane shutter.

    Then, give me a cropped mode for 35mm lenses with adapters, and get this, you wouldn't have to rotate the camera to shoot verticals, you just rotate the sensor crop area.

    Plus, with an appropriate adapter, you could shoot the Canon 17mm and 24mm TS lenses and fully cover the sensor, depending on the size (if it's the 44x33 as mentioned in the rumor link, it should cover).

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by mjm6 View Post
    I'm sure you meant to say "Mamiya 6" there... Hahaha!

    Man I loved that camera. Not the original one (with the collapsing bellows), but the second one with the collapsing hard mount.

    It sounds like we all agree, though. We need a MF camera in a rangefinder format, ala Mamiya 6 or 7, with an EVF and focal plane shutter.

    Then, give me a cropped mode for 35mm lenses with adapters, and get this, you wouldn't have to rotate the camera to shoot verticals, you just rotate the sensor crop area.

    Plus, with an appropriate adapter, you could shoot the Canon 17mm and 24mm TS lenses and fully cover the sensor, depending on the size (if it's the 44x33 as mentioned in the rumor link, it should cover).

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Hired,

    The biggest difference between the 6 and the 7 (other than the change in lens mounts and focal lengths, they were not interchangeable) was the collapsing mount on the 6, which made the kit smaller in a bag, so it traveled a bit better than the 7.

    I suspect they got rid of the collapsing mount from the 6 to increase the performance with a fixed, rigid mount on the 7 and 7II.

    My M9 is just about out the door for me now because of the a7r, but I'm still struggling with the lenses to keep/sell. Must test more before making a decision.


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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by mjm6 View Post
    Hired,

    The biggest difference between the 6 and the 7 (other than the change in lens mounts and focal lengths, they were not interchangeable) was the collapsing mount on the 6, which made the kit smaller in a bag, so it traveled a bit better than the 7.

    I suspect they got rid of the collapsing mount from the 6 to increase the performance with a fixed, rigid mount on the 7 and 7II.

    My M9 is just about out the door for me now because of the a7r, but I'm still struggling with the lenses to keep/sell. Must test more before making a decision.


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    Oh okay. Good to know. I'm good on portability with the A7 series really but it would be nice to have something smaller than a 645 body or a Phase body to carry around. I also have large hands so there is only so small I'm willing to go as well. I thought the Mamiya 7 was a great size for a MF camera though personally. Not too big but not too small.
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    I will sit on the sidelines and watch what goes past for a while, I think. Whatever it is. I need to find time to exercise the gear I already own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I will sit on the sidelines and watch what goes past for a while, I think. Whatever it is. I need to find time to exercise the gear I already own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Godfrey, you never sit on the sideline to long, so that's no problem.
    LOL! Oh so damn true.
    Maybe things will be different this time.

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    B&W sensor wouldn't be "never before made" … Leica MM did that already.

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    A B&W sensor in a mirrorless camera body would be "never before made" however....and that's what I'm hoping for now. The Leica MM has tempted me ever since it came out, but I just don't think I could get used to 35mm rangefinder focusing. I have a hard enough time focusing my Mamiya 7II.

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    Even if they could I can't see why Sony would release a MF model. It is hardly a mass market product. Maybe they would do it for reasons of reputation but they are not exactly tapping into a market as lucrative as displacing either Nikon or Canon.

    I'll probably have to eat my words but does anyone except for a specialised niche of professional photographers actually need a 50mpx MF camera in this day and age?

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Even if they could I can't see why Sony would release a MF model. It is hardly a mass market product. Maybe they would do it for reasons of reputation but they are not exactly tapping into a market as lucrative as displacing either Nikon or Canon.

    I'll probably have to eat my words but does anyone except for a specialised niche of professional photographers actually need a 50mpx MF camera in this day and age?

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    My guess is that it would be a MF with fixed lens like RX1 series...rest of the ecosystem will work with Sony E mount system, and it will be one MF grade addition to the kit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post

    But what I really want is a camera with the A7r sensor and a quiet shutter with no lag.
    I'm with you on this one. The thing that most attracted me to the RX10 was the possibility of having the option to choose a noiseless shutter (save the price). Can't see why this option isn't available on a mirrorless body or indeed why Sony doesn't offer their equivalent to Pentax's pancakes for that matter; they produce small bodies but stick to standard sized lenses, me no understand ...

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Sad but true, you need a degree of complexity for lens performance. Some people don't like the size of the FE55 which is a mere 280 grams, and is 7 elements in 5 groups. [BTW, FE35 is 7/5 also but of course too slow for many users.]

    What Sony is saying to the market might be: we will make fine lenses but they cannot be truly tiny without compromises in lens speed and/or complexity/quality.

    Put another way, go with us in FE for higher image quality with small-medium sized lenses (non-telezooms)...or if you want really small lenses, there are excellent APS-C and m43 camera systems which are 'good enough' for most users. Choose!

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    OK. I have heard Hasselblad is coming out with a mirrorless RF type camera. My prediction is that it will be DMF camera with a EVF and will take current MF Hasselblad lenses. So, it could be that Sony will introduce their model simultaneously with the Hasselblad version, and the Hasselblad camera could be simply a rebranded Sony camera. Sony may even introduce adapters for several MF lens manufacturers to make it available and attractive to more customers.

    The question about why Sony would venture into the DMF market is easily understood given the fact that they introduced the new 50 megapixel MF sensor. The question about "something that's never been made before" is answered since I don't remember hearing about any other MF mirrorless digital camera.

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Even if they could I can't see why Sony would release a MF model. It is hardly a mass market product. Maybe they would do it for reasons of reputation but they are not exactly tapping into a market as lucrative as displacing either Nikon or Canon.

    I'll probably have to eat my words but does anyone except for a specialised niche of professional photographers actually need a 50mpx MF camera in this day and age?

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    Yes.

    I think a heck of a lot of photographers would get into MFD image quality … IF … the price is "relatively" reasonable, and it's not a brick to carry around.

    Mirror-less could help both of those wishes come true.

    Such a camera wouldn't have to even be as big as the Mamiya 7 which had a 6X7 film gate. The Sony 50 meg sensor is much smaller than that.

    The only question I would have is … what lens system it would use?

    The Mamiya 7 was cool because the lenses were small compared to most any other MF camera.

    Hassey V lenses are bricks, my Leica S lenses are mostly bricks, Hassey H lenses are like carrying around lead pipes … but given the association with Sony it'd be more likely than not it'll take H lenses.

    A high performance fixed lens is possible … a big brother to the RX1? (although, I'd probably pass on something like that).

    What would frost the MFD landscape is if the thing took view camera lenses

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Yes.

    I think a heck of a lot of photographers would get into MFD image quality … IF … the price is "relatively" reasonable, and it's not a brick to carry around.
    I am one of the "heck of a lot".
    Give me a big sensor, with fat pixels that is mirrorless with a basic operating system. No face detection or video mode etc is necessary, trim the fat to keep the price down. Choose a Lens mount that has lenses that can handle the sensor. It seems lenses that deliver to give justice to the sensors is where its at now. Make it weather resistant but include some use for indoors like tethering and flash control. Trim its size and weight so I can carry it with one, two or a max of three HQ compact lenses.

    Build it so I can afford it and we will come.
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    I'm not sure if the pixels will be "fat" exactly. Isn't the 50MP Sony sensor roughly equivalent to a 30MP full-frame sensor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by philip_pj View Post
    ...or if you want really small lenses, there are excellent APS-C and m43 camera systems which are 'good enough' for most users. Choose!
    Indeed, 'good enough' were the 21 f/3.2 and 70 f/2.4 Pentax pancakes. My NEX-6 is ideally suited to lenses of this type. The 'fast lens' desire is just that; we don't need that extra light to see through a pentaprism any more, the EVF system and good sensors nowadays solve that drawback - f/1.4 'upmanship' is another thing. I'm using Voigtlδnders, but autofocus would be useful sometimes. Come on Sony - You Know it Makes Sense ...
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    could do what fuji (hassey) did with their X-pan series (note, im not referring to x-pro). use the same 35mm FF lens but limit the aperture. this will be the stop-gap then launch some medium format size lens later on. since sony already have deal with hassey, may be they can make x-pan-3 using a square medium format sensor.

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Even if they could I can't see why Sony would release a MF model. It is hardly a mass market product. Maybe they would do it for reasons of reputation but they are not exactly tapping into a market as lucrative as displacing either Nikon or Canon.

    I'll probably have to eat my words but does anyone except for a specialised niche of professional photographers actually need a 50mpx MF camera in this day and age?

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    Ah, how times change. I still remember cringing as I handed over a cheque for 9000€ to pay for a 1Ds when we switched over to digital and got peanuts for our Mamiya 645 bodies ...

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    Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes.

    If the MFD rumor is true, it could be part of the Sony end-run around the entrenched 35mm DSLR stone wall called Nikon/Canon they have not been able to breach with their DSLR/SLTs.

    Shrink the size and pump up the resolution with the FE mount system on one end, gain street cred for Image Quality with a MFD kit on the other end. Both at reasonable price points.

    They seem to have gotten the message about AF speed (a6000), and how they managed to allow focus points over the entire sensor is a game changer … now, the next generation of Sony EVF will be of paramount importance … it must get better … and the lag reduced or eliminated.

    IBIS should be part of their planning for these mega meg cameras. Plus, they have to jettison all the consumer junk from their higher end cameras. They started out right with the A900 which was lean and mean and had suburb ergonomics and control placement … then reverted back to a "paint-by-numbers" Swiss army Knife mentality with the A99.

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