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    Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    I know that some owners here who went with the A7R were also Nikon D800/E owners, did any of you say Goodbye to your DSLR, I'm curious to know if it did or relegate to lesser use despite the current lack of native lenses for the Sony?
    And mostly why?

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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    I sold everything else apart from my RX100 and RX1 - My Leica M240, D800E, 5DII, Pentax, nearly all the lenses for all the above (kept some for use with adaptors) and all the 'bits' such as flashguns etc.

    The only thing I can't do now that I used to be able to do was tracking focus. Time will provide that to something that takes FE lenses, I hope...
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    I completely sold out of my Nikon gear and went Sony. Why many reasons but maybe the biggest was far better live view with focus peaking that just about beats anything out there. Its far more accurate to nail focus but in the end I still have some of the same lenses just in Sony mount. My Sigma 35mm for instance was just a switch in mounts same with my Zeiss 25. I did get the 85 1.4 and 135 1.8 in ZA mounts which resembled my Nikon kit so no loss there at all. I also picked up the Rokinion 14mm which I had similar in Nikon. My only real addition end of day is the 55mm FE and with money saved I was able to pick up the A7. End of day the A7r replaced the same D800e and I got a Nikon 610 in the A7. Many other side car reasons as well, size, weight, mirrorless and things of that nature and more important I like the color better out of the Sony's. In the end I feel i did okay and I enjoy the Sonys more. In the end in the industry please tell me what the hell Nikon is doing as far as growing. Zero, Ziltch , Nada. Im not waiting 3 years for a change in technology while they sit on there *** and Canon is worse. Sony is at least making a push and I like that. Does not mean you have to keep upgrading but the system is growing that you can turn too if you want or need. Seriously I like Nikon and always liked there ergos but I see no growth and that bugs me a lot. D4s yes but its not really in my wheel house and the DF is really nice but I need a vertical grip and without it than a no go. 15k images in 4 days all portrait mode than i need a vertical grip. So that got me out as well of Nikon. Sony seems to be making everyones sensors today and I feel they are on the leading edge and it spilled over to at least 3 Medium Format backs and bodies as well.
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    It's making me think about using my film cameras less.
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    I don't own or shoot with Nikon, and when i read a lot about Nikon D800/E i was like so tempting to get it to have highest mp on those 35mm DSLRs, but then i was worry about lenses to buy.

    But, suddenly, it was like a miracle or my pray was answered, and that was with Sony brining out A7R, i did read some reviews and impressions and even comparisons between it and D800/E, i didn't think long and bought A7R last month just by second or third day of my mom death, and now all what i am waiting is the lens and adapter to enjoy this camera, i am sure it will be my travel camera when i plan to travel this year somewhere and i will leave behind my MF.
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    Sold my D800e and the M9, Ricoh GXR system, and NEX6 are now on consignment. Just going with the A7r and Fuji X100s. I still have 3 film cameras that I use occasionally (Rolleiflex 2.8 Planar, Contax G, and Shen-Hao 6x9).
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    Carl,

    Did you sell your lenses along with your D800e and M9 or did you keep them for the A7r?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    Carl,

    Did you sell your lenses along with your D800e and M9 or did you keep them for the A7r?

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    I kept some of the M lenses, but sold the Nikon lenses.
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    I am a passionate photographer shooting everything that appeals to my sense of "fine art." That includes everything from Dance to sports to nature and landscape. The sony A7R is sufficient for some of the aforementioned pursuits but not all of them. In many cases I find fine art when using my 500mm lens and very often my 180 macro lens where the Sony doesn't present any options.
    For the time being my Nikon 800E and Hasselblad H5D50 are my cameras of choice
    I have access to the Sony through a friend and personally I don't see how it can replace my other cameras
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    Sold my 5D3 and 5D, bunch of lenses, flashguns, etc. Albeit the A7r was the excuse to sell a wedding kit that I was still holding onto a year after retiring from event photography. It was the perfect excuse. Tiny, fun and IQ beyond anything I've ever had before.
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    I am not parting from my D700 with 70-200/2.8 VRII and Nikon flashes. My A7R can't replace that for me.

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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    Got a GH3 and an EM-5 and sold my M9 and most of my Leica gear. Just kept a couple of old film bodies and lenses.

    Got an A7 and sold all my m4/3's gear.

    But nothing available yet to replace my D4. Since I have to keep that I also still have most of my Nikon glass and a D800.

    I hoped the new A7s would be a sports camera but it clearly is not. A low light beast yes, but not a sports camera.

    I now expect that the A99 replacement will be more sports oriented. Who knows if it will be enough though. The combination of very fast tracking focus with a high frame rate and a deep buffer is unusual.

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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    Im expecting something great in the A mount. Its just a matter of time. They have the tech just need to get it all sorted out in a A mount cam.
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    Yes it did. Although I moved from a 5d2 to the a7 I've been waiting for full frame mirrorless ever since m4/3 hit the scene. In the film days I ditched the slr for rangefinder and high end compacts. When I went digital apsc slr was the only real option and I was very thankful when full frame arrived but still a little bummed about a mirror box. When the m8 became affordable I was thrilled but I still needed a full frame slr for an occasional assignment. I was a little hesitant to embrace the a7 because of my troubled history with sony but I finally cut the cord with slrs for the 2nd time in my photographic timeline. Sorry for the ramble. Btw I just made the final switch this week, wish me luck.

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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    The next Sony we will hear about will very likely be the 'sports camera' in a77 guise: super fast AF, no EVF lag, increased fps. Then something similar in FF, the long awaited a99 replacement with higher Mp and fast AF.

    It's time to take on the few remaining holdouts - sports, event.

    Professional, the a7r is a sublime travel camera, with a killer hit rate when used with care. The IQ I KNOW I'll get gets me out of bed on cold days eager to shoot my stuff each day. So it doubles up as a motivational device, lol.

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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    I view the Sony A7R as a surrogate, a sort of chameleon kit. It can jump from one systems bag to the next and fit in or be useful, but isn't a replacement.

    I still have my A99 and all the FF A mount lenses from 16mm to 500mm. With the LEAE-4 adapter the A7R is part of that kit … however it is an Ersatz, because it lacks the IBIS, dual card capture, and fully articulated LCD.

    The A7R can jump to the Leica M Monochrom bag and most of my M optics can be used for color work, or as a back-up. It falls short because it is not a rangefinder, so not a true substitute for that style of photography.

    I can pop it into my Leica S systems bag with a couple of M or FE lenses as an emergency back-up. FF 36 meg helps mitigate the resolution situation, but is not a replacement for the MFD CCD look and feel, and doesn't offer a leaf-shutter solution when used with lighting. But, hey, it only takes up a slot that one S lens uses.

    In its' own little 3 lens FE bag the A7R offers a nice tiny kit that really only needs a f/2 portrait focal length to be done for me. Nice travel option or general carry anywhere system.

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    I did switch cameras because I really like the size of a mirror-less full frame that has the ability to shoot so many lens combo's - the color is much nicer OOC too. At this price point you can have a b/u that is not insulting and produces technically, "as good photos" as just about anything else. Some of the magazines I shoot for, require that you start with a good pic with as little editing as possible and using DNG the Sony shows very little editing.The D800 and Leica S are great camera systems, but I just think the A7 is a better camera for OOC pics to start with. Leaf shutters and strobes are certainly the Leica S and Hasselblad's domain, but with HSS and the A7 not as exclusive anymore. I choose the 24mp for it's faster, quicker shutter and the ability to shoot wides. Thinking about the As too.

    As far as sports is concerned, the A7 is pretty good too. Batteries have been excellent in airplane mode and the weather sealing, well...sealed the deal.

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    If Guy thinks Nikon is lagging behind, what about Canon? I remember when Canon had such a lead that Nikon did not even make a ff camera. I have had three flagship Canon bodies at $7k each. I don't mind paying as the cameras make me money, but I do expect them to make some kind of major upgrade. They have not. Love the live view on the Sony. Done with optical viewfinders. Focus peaking is great. Using all my Zeiss glass from the Canon on the A7R. Not the fastest thing in the world but the IQ is fantastic. The best tool I have ever had for the way I work. I'd like more of a pro body but that's about all it is lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnygoesdigital View Post
    As far as sports is concerned, the A7 is pretty good too.
    Maybe if you're shooting just the spectators ...
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    I have had a different experience. Loved the A7, but ultimately felt slightly disconnected from the camera, as well as missing the RF experience...I have back to shooting my MM more, picked up the Fuji X-T1 for AF/tracking/etc, and now have an M240 for use with my M lenses. If I were starting fresh and didn't care for the RF experience, an A7r and A7s combo could do nearly everything.

    I plan to revisit the fray once Sony releases a body comparable to the A7s, with phase detect AF and a leaf shutter....Sony's sensor tech is incredible, and I am waiting for the system to mature with lenses and some added features, as listed above....I have no doubt that they will get there soon enough...
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    What Sony has started here is a gamechanger, no less than that.

    I can use all my Canon EF Glass, I got some nice additional bright FD lenses, can use my Hartbleis and even go for other stuff from about ANY maker.

    Image quality is spectacular, after some initial trying I found my settings now.

    I still have my 5DMK2 because it is modified for IR/UV and no Antiaiasing filter, but I use this only when I can´t go Sony, so it gets less and less.

    And yes I also believe they will do an A9 one day.
    Whatever the pixelcount will be, or what that will use to focus or transfer data, I still could live with that A7r for the next years and be very happy with it.

    Much more camera than this is rarely needed, if ever.

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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    I held it first and found myself almost allergic to it.
    Nevertheless I borrowed one for a week and liked it even less.
    No, I am shooting my D800/e and appreciate it more than ever.
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    Interest came from everywhere.

    Down-shifters from MFD/D800/5D3, cross-shifters from RX1/a99 and up-shifters from NEX and m43. It sometimes seems everyone finds something to dislike, in a glass half empty way. Sony will however feel heartened by all this, it shows they are close to having universal appeal in overall design and performance terms.

    These are paradigm shifting cameras that attracted attention on a huge scale but they really force users to reassess what they want in a camera, deep down. So many of us saw them as appealing but a lot of people realised they were after a different experience - that the photographic experience is more to them than super image quality in a small package.

    In Sony's accelerated release cycle, it is easy to overlook that this is an entirely new kind of camera, an entirely new full frame system, the first in...how long? The photo world is resistant to change, tradition counts, people are relatively happy with their current systems, they are disturbed by the newness and the strangeness of this odd little camera that takes almost all lenses and transforms images from them. Even the maker's name is a four letter word.

    That will all change in a year or so as the system gains legitimacy, fleshes out accessories and flash (OEM and aftermarket), more top end lenses appear, new FE cameras appear. It's likely many will be back at some stage, and it is up to Sony to demonstrate they are ready to do the extra things well to address the complaints that are authentic and not mere pretexts to not buy in.

    Offering super image quality, value for money, engineering and build quality is not a bad place to start though is it?

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    Time and technological change is on their side. If they get this next phase right, the catch up for the others could become a mountain to climb. Sony are already up at advanced base camp.
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    I actually sold my Leica M9 and most of my lenses awhile back when I was shooting with the Sony NEX7. But if that camera hadn't convinced me to switch, the A7 would have.

    I think that the older I get, the more I need to to challenge myself by trying new things and new ways of doing things, even if they seem a bit alien at first.

    For better or worse, Sony is still a relative newcomer to cameras, compared to manufacturers that specialize in this field. We are less bound by a regard for camera heritage or traditions. We maintain the attitude that we should innovate, in a positive sense.
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    I just shot a big food job where focus stacking was the order of the day. The Sony tethered to capture one with a hot folder setup. What's nice is live view stay on so I started my focus with focus peaking at the beginning of my subject shot than just watch the focus peaking mask get to my next point of focus. I do this for about 4 or 5 diffrent focus points than blend them. The Sony is a cake walk like this.
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    Sold my beloved Canon 5DMKII and 100mm macro for the A7R with 50mm and 24-70. I am very pleased with the outcome and the way the Sony fits in my hands, but wasn't unhappy with the Canon. Weight and dimensions made me switch.

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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I held it first and found myself almost allergic to it.
    Nevertheless I borrowed one for a week and liked it even less.
    No, I am shooting my D800/e and appreciate it more than ever.
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    it takes all types - certainly, my experience with it is now over (although I'm keeping the 24-70 and 55 in case Sony bring out a body which is nice to shoot with (instead of just making nice images).

    Recently gone back to shooting the M(240) and it's such a relaxing pleasure.
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post

    it takes all types - certainly, my experience with it is now over (although I'm keeping the 24-70 and 55 in case Sony bring out a body which is nice to shoot with (instead of just making nice images).

    Recently gone back to shooting the M(240) and it's such a relaxing pleasure.
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    I can fully appreciate that Jono. When I did a job earlier in the year, I was shooting with the A7R with the 35 and 50, and then decided to do a portion with the M Mono … and it was a vivid reminder of the difference … I much preferred the M shooting experience.

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    Got to agree with Jono & Mark. I've sold the Sony A7/A7R gear, as I just didn't enjoy the experience.

    For where I can use them, my favorites are the M240/0.95 Nocti & RX1r.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCTuomey View Post
    Maybe if you're shooting just the spectators ...
    This skier was moving and turning pretty fast because of the steep grade, but the Sony was able to capture the moment with ease. Much faster than my D800 and much better AF too. Actually for sports the A7 is my first choice for remote hiking and ski sports. Perhaps you haven't used the settings specifically for fast action. The Sony A6000 is even faster...
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    Re: Did the Sony A7R make you say goodbye...

    After a lot of soul-searching, because I really like Leica, I sold my M9 and all my M lenses.

    But the reasons are complex. First, I shoot MFDB whenever it's practical, so the M was a second system. (Well, actually third, as I have an a99 for wildlife.) The Leica was my go-to system when I wanted light weight and speed without a tripod. I love the feel of the M and the lenses are just flawless, but at heart I discovered I'm not really an RF guy and I wasn't actually using the system much.

    When the a7r came along I bought it out of curiosity and because I already had a bunch of A mount lenses. The epiphany came when I tried the EF 55 f1.8 - the first standard lens that matched the IQ of my 50 'Lux - and gave me AF. The longer M lenses worked on it beautifully but the wides sucked unless I used an LCC plate.

    Then the FE 24-70 OSS debuted and suddenly I had a truly lightweight system with (for my purposes) more versatility than the M, though not yet with decent WA lenses. (I'm waiting for those!)

    So I sold the M and 6 M lenses for about what I paid for them and have downsized to two systems - although one could argue that the A7r and a99 are one and a half systems!

    I still mourn the M to a small degree but then I go shoot with the a7r and feel really good.

    And of course I am a member in good standing of Gear Sluts Anonymous...

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    One of the best and we love ya for it.
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