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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Am just wondering if anybody has any experience with using this device?

    I do not see much information about it. As far as I can tell, it is a tilt/shift Mirex adapter that is a Canon Eos - Sony Emount. From this, I assume you can just use other medium format lenses via simple dumb adapters.. ie Pentax 645, Hasselblad etc etc

    Can anyone please explain what the purpose of the 360 degree rotating collar is?

    Is it more than parallax free stitching? How big of an image are you able to stitch with this setup? As far as I know, the Mirex also offers parallax free stitching as it has a tripod collar, which means the camera is being shifted and not the lens..

    I am possibly interested in purchasing one but am struggling to see what the difference is between buying the Mirex tilt/shift adapter and this one by Hartblei?

    From what I understand, the Mirex costs 340 Euros (plus postage and handling) and I think the Hcam Master tilt/shift adapter with 360 rotating collar is something like 740 Euros + shipment..

    The only example photo I can find is the one pictured above and that just seems to be an image with some swing/tilt applied..

    Anybody get any better idea?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Just saw this link to some examples shot with the Hcam Master..

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/hartbl...n/photostream/

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/HCamde/122001131245665


    What do you guys think?

    I would love to see some stitched images that are done using parallax free stitching of the adapter, using a lens with appropriate coverage..

    If it can produce an image that is 6cm x 4.5cm which I think has been previously claimed, I would be interested..

    What do you guys think?

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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Well, i bought this T/S adaptor with the tripod foot..and return it.
    Planned to use it with my a7r and mainly to use it with my already ts lenses, as to make a versatil small techcam ...(I don't care using stop down eos lenses, as i always use them at8 1/2)
    The idea was to be able to put the camera on tripod, and then being able to shift/tilt/rotate(V/h) each way paralax free.

    The adaptor is really well made, nothing to say about this.
    But, with the tripod foot on the adapter then it is impossible to mount tse lenses on, because of a small mart of the tripod foot on the way, so you have to unscrew the foot from the adapter with a srcew driver first, mount the lens then put it back (which mean you have to buy a ts adaptor for each lens)....No way for me!

    Then, even when put properly then the adaptator have hard vignet sooner with tse than just a standart metabones, this mean that for exemple i was only able to shift 7mm with the 24tse (Using the adapter shift or lens shift) instead of 12 with the standart metabones ...same goes with the 17, and with all my pentax mf lenses(with additional ts adqptdr)...

    Works ok with my pc35 distagon and it give me the tilt option with this lens,which is good...

    So my guess Is that it has been design for apsc more than for ff.
    Résume:
    - this is a very good t/s adapter for small shift-/+5mm with mainy lenses, and good for tilt with almost all lenses,
    -it is a very good adapter for apsc camera (and i'm thinking to buy one for my a6000 Walkaround cam)
    -it is suppose to allow more shkft with some lenses as the 12-24 or 14-24...but it need to be confirmed.
    -if you expect large shift, this is not the option to go....

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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Its a great idea to offer tilt / shift capability with the A7 range of cameras, but I am very confused about what is being offered, what lenses work with it, and so on. There is a complete lack of clarity. For example, i am not interested in using it with Canon lenses or the Nikon Zoom, but then what other lenses (if any) might be used with it?. It might be ideal with a LF lens with their large image circles, but who knows?

    I would appreciate a lot more info.
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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Hi daf,
    Thanks so much for the response back, is greatly appreciated!

    Like you, I did not have much interested in pairing this adapter with the Nikon 14-24mm but rather use it on the Canon 24mm TS-E lenses and hopefully get independent shift and rise..

    This clearly sounds like it is not the case

    You also mention "with all my pentax mf lenses(with additional ts adqptdr)..."

    I have a Pentax 645 35mm and really love that lens.. Any issues with using that lens? Any idea how much rise can be achieved? Why would you need an additional ts adapter?

    Or are you just referring to a simpler "dumb" adapter? Pentax 645 to Canon Eos?

    Thanks so much, these comments are very helpful

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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Hi Quentin_Bargate,
    I also agree that there is very little information available

    I think it is somewhat safe to use this page of the Mirex website as a reference..

    MIREX-Adapter fr die besondere Fotografie

    There is no information with regards to the Mirex Canon - Sony tilt/shift adapter but I have been in contact with Mirex and it does exist..

    The page I referenced shows Pentax 645, Mamiya 645 and Hasselblad lenses all working on a Canon Eos, so I do not see why there would be any issue with them working on a mirrorless Sony..

    The Hcam tilt/shift component is basically just using a Mirex adapter..

    My confusion comes from what the rotating part of this setup does? Mirex does not sell this as part of their adapter but I am still unsure as to what this does?

    In a previous post (referring to use with the Nikon 14-24mm), Stefan Steib states "Even shifted and stitched at 14mm you will get about 34x46mm or if used on an HCam-B1 (or an FPS) with an IQ250 a full shot with 14mm focal length.

    So my question is, are you able to effectively stitch to a 34mm x 46mm area with this adapter? If this was the case, then yes, I would be interested.. If this was the case, surely you would provide sample images of this being done.

    As you have mentioned though, there is a serious lack of information and that is what has prevented me buying one..

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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by wallpaperviking View Post
    You also mention "with all my pentax mf lenses(with additional ts adqptdr)..."
    Or are you just referring to a simpler "dumb" adapter? Pentax 645 to Canon Eos?

    Thanks so much, these comments are very helpful

    Hi, I have a Pentax to eos shift adpater, so i can use the 55 and 90 mm for shift using the metabones inbetween (camera+metabones+shiftcanontopentax+pentax lens) ... You should be able to do that with your 35.
    No idea about the 35 pentax (i have a PC35contax, which is great), but regarding the 90 and the 55mm i can reach 10/12mm of shift on both using the eos to pentax adapter + metabones and then limited to about 7mm/8mm when using the mirex insteed of the metabones (both trying to shift on the the pentaxto eos TS adaptater or on the mirex).

    It is hard vigneting before ... the need...
    If you can deal to work with nikon or with MDf lenses, and leave the canon tse aside then ZOERk have a nice version shift/Rotate version of Sony E to Nikon...and with tilt for mediuml format lenses....
    Or it is suppose to come a Eos lens mount version for the Cambo actus...

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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    @ Daf

    Your statement that this only works for APS-C is nonsense.
    The Nikon 14-24mm at 20mm has full 15mm of shift horizontal and 12mm vertical shift. There are many more lenses which can be used on 24x36 with plenty of movements.

    And: the statement that the Canon TS-E doesn´t mount to the HCam Master TS is simply WRONG !

    Used prestopped down with the TS-E you can even combine Movements.
    I tried both the 17 and 24mm TS-E recently.

    Sp please don´t state things that are simply not true.

    as posted before here are some full res images from the Sony A7r with the cut 14-24mm.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/hartblei/16038687857/

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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Hi stefan,
    Dont make me said what i haven't said, regarding the nikon 14-24 i said "-it is suppose to allow more shkft with some lenses as the 12-24 or 14-24...but it need to be confirmed."... so what ?

    Regarding the tse problem i'm not the only one with the same experience look at the review on onlandscape and the comment!
    I know you don't like to hear this, but it is a fact, sorry.

    Please reply to this 3 questions In public, it would clarify everything:

    -As you said that you try the 17and 24 tse...please tell us how many mm you were able to shift whitout vigneting

    -could you affirm that you can mount a 17 Or 24tse lens when the mirex tripod foot is screw on the mirexadapter? Without having to unscrew first the tripod foot ?

    -then show us a list of lenses And shift capacity...

    Best wishes
    David

    Ps: if it was working well For my needs, make sure i would have loved to keep it !!
    And believe me, i'm actually thinking to buy one again for my a6000..

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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    First of all:

    You did not buy the new HCam master TS and give it back.
    Maybe you bought a Mirex some time ago, but not the new HCam Master TS.
    not from me and I am the exclusive seller of this !

    If you insist on "facts", then please keep by the truth.

    There has also not been a review of the new HCam master TS online, the test you referre to, is with the old version (back from April 2014 when the HCam Master TS didn´t even exist !!!) with the short foot, no rotating collar.
    https://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2014/0...-sony-e-mount/

    And third: the new version has a larger Opening inside (the standard Mirex has a round one, also changed now to a sqaure with a larger diameter!)which incase allows full movements of the TS-E´s either with the Master TS or with the Canon movements, depending on the angle and combination it will even surpass the Canons single movements.

    I´m sorry but your allegations bare ANY substance and I think you should apologize for posting such stuff !



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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Just for clarification:

    HCam Master TS was first released on Photokina 2014.
    All images and setups before that were conceptual and only to show the progress of the work in advance.
    I have postet the final images already here on GetDPI in another thread here - so posting untrue stuff in an old thread is even more nonsense:

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/sony/511...s-14-24mm.html


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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Come on Stefan !

    Nobody has never been talking about the new version !!!
    (in fact probably nobody knows that there is a new version) reedit I DO nOt know of the last version

    Take a look at the all post from the begining to now(page 1 and 2) !!!!
    this post is only showing picture of the first version, and only speaking about this first version.

    You're right i bought (directly from you) the version which is shown and which this post is all about ! and return it directly to YOU ...

    Should i apologyse:
    -because, at time when i were explaining to you alll those fact regarding the first version, you were enable to accept the truth ?
    -Or because you bring a new product on the able, which has nothing to do with the actual forum post ?
    Sorry i'll not!

    But being honnest and clear, i confirm that i was speaking about the first version and not the last one... i have no opinion on the last one, has i have never tryed it...

    And if it solve the problem of the first version:
    - possibility to switch lenses in field (going from 17tse to 24tse), without having to screw or unscrew anything.
    - don't limit the shift cappacity of canon tse lenses, or not by much.
    - allow large shift with many lenses

    Then make sure i will buy one from you today !!!

    But please, help us to make things clear, and tell us all what we need to know about this NEW adapter:
    Which lens for which amoutn of shift (not image circle, but sharp image circle)

    David
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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    We cross posts... i had a break during the writing!

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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    David

    the new version has been posted in GetDPI. There was a pressrelease.
    I was on the Photokina with it showing it, the HCam.de FB Page is showing it and the German Website has it online, with all photos and Pricelist (I apologize for the english site, I am short of time, I´ll do it as soon as i can !!!).

    I have posted this already several times, but here again:
    14-24mm modified by HCam - usable sharpness in 24x36 Landscape mode
    14mm: 2-3mm horizontal, 4mm vertical shift
    17mm: 8mm " , 10mm "
    20mm: 12mm " , 15mm "
    24mm: 10mm " , 12mm "

    You can get combined and usable Shifts with a second Mirex EOS/M645 or P645 or Blad-V of up to 30mm !! Depending on the lens. example: Mamiya 645 120mm Macro 28mm of shift- Pinsharp as this is not the border of the image circle but the opening in the adapters limiting the shift.

    I use my remounted Canon FD L 1,2/85mm for shifts up to 10mm vertical !
    Otus 1,4/85mm has also 10mm vertical !

    And so on. Take a look at the lenses which work for HCam B1 or Alpa FPS and you will very well see which are good to go or which won´t.
    I had published a list some years ago here as a pdf

    http://www.hartblei.de/downloads/LensList-HCam.pdf

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    Re: The new HCam TS Master 14-24mm

    Ok Stefan let's stop talking about the discontined product ...
    Lets' moove to the positive New talk:
    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/sony/511...s-14-24mm.html

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