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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Will do. I might go out Saturday morning with the 1.4 and run a battery of tests. But corners are excellent . For such a extreme wide I'm very impressed by that.
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    I certainly like to know when Tucson became Phoenix according to UPS. Im delayed till Monday now on my 1.4 extender. Dang it ill just have to test it in San Diego next week.


    BTW I can't find a lens profile for this lens in LR, C1 and even PT lens. Anyone have any info on that it would be nice. It has very little distortion which is amazing by itself. I may go play in my little western town of Cave Creek this morning. Do my standard wall test
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Guy, automatic profiles for TS lenses are tough, because you need to know the center of the lens to apply it. Thomas (PTLens) used to have them in his stand-alone tool where you entered amount and direction of shifts, so you might check that out. Of course this requires you save notes as you shoot and we all know how good you are about that!

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    BTW I can't find a lens profile for this lens in LR, C1 and even PT lens. Anyone have any info on that it would be nice. It has very little distortion which is amazing by itself.
    I researched that question just after getting the 24mm TS-E. Adobe doesn't provide profiles for the tilt-shift lenses. This from another forum:
    Correction profiles won't work for these lenses as the software has no way of knowing where the centre of distortion is. Tilt or shift movements aren't recorded, so any values would only work with the lens centred, which kind of defeats the object.

    You can find some home-brew profiles on the Web but they only work for the lenses in a fixed (no tilt or shift) orientation.

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    I had a feeling you guys would come back with a answer like that. Now it makes sense. I'm out playing with it as we speak. I'm kicking myself for not thinking about this lens in my pee brain. It's simple amazing the effects you can do for one for the creative side and more important how you can get extreme DOF. I'll post these today but shot one image from 5ft to infinity at 5.6 and sharp all the way out with just 1 degree of swing. I use the term swing when it's a horizontal tilt and the word tilt when it's a vertical. Technically that could be worded wrong but that's just how I think about it. Anyway there is not a lens that can get that DOF plus I had 6 degrees of rise in it.
    The fun part is just throwing stuff completely out if focus.

    For my A7r type work I could honestly get away with all TSE lenses
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm kicking myself for not thinking about this lens in my pee brain.
    I think you meant "pea" brain, not "pee" brain. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time.

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Heck I would love to do a workshop on just these type of lenses with 35 tse glass and MF tech cams. Jack oh Jack. Lol
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    I think you meant "pea" brain, not "pee" brain. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time.

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Joe,

    Give him a break. Guy relies on his iPhone for all spelling choices.

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Lol. Than I have a great excuse. I maybe dumb but I ain't stupid.
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    what was the distortion you were seeing?

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Just a slight bend , not much and it may have been me since what i shot today looks even better. Might have been first day set up. The A7r has a nice level but its no IQ 160 Back level if you know what I mean. I almost can eyeball it better.
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Im just going to say it i never seen a 15,16,17,18, 19,20,21 and maybe even a 24mm this bloody sharp in the extreme comers. Tim Ashley THIS IS THE LENS YOU WANT. LOL

    This is my test bed image as we have all seen before and this is wide open no less

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Watch this in the center . I stopped at 5.6. let me add this is my normal sharpening that I have done on every lens i have tested , nothing new here.



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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    If this don't make you run not walk to a canon dealer not sure what the hell would. Im totally blown away.





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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    I never seen anything that good in a extreme wide that good at 5.6 and dead perfect at F8. F11 is about equal but I can see maybe some defraction.

    Oh heck let me post it

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Here is the scary part they say the 24 TSE Version II is even better.
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    well you would think you need F8. Apparently not so. shot wide open

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    You can see the natural lens vignetting here.
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    same shot but whacked out the swing which I call it when going horizontal

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    The real power of a TSE. that corner is 15 feet from the lens big rise here and 1 degree of swing towards the right. Im sharp all the way to infinity

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    still 5.6 and about 5 ft now. I might have gone 1.25 degrees of swing. I forget now

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Here is the one thing I need to work on when I do more than a half a degree of swing or tilt looking at the above image on the right wall its bending back a little. This in C1 is a easy fix with the keystone tool on just that one side. LR does not work like that, it corrects the total vertical. Little hard to explain but C1 you can tweak just one side of the image
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Okay I fixed it in LR but you have to be paying attention to this when you tilt when you are processing. In this case it was a easy fix but LR is tougher to fix this type of distortion or out of whack vertical lets call it.

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Okay another better example when you do a heavy tilt you can see the converging of lines pretty heavy here

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Now this is the fix. Really good to discover this and this is why you test stuff. Little vertical in LR along with a touch of rotation

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    With the proper amount of tilt on than you get the whole DOF effect. Why these type of lenses are so valuable to have.


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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Okay this is a keeper. Now I want the 24. LOL
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    End of todays tests

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Just follow up on my decision for filtering this lens. I decided that I was going to shift over to the Lee 100mm system. Now with that decision it does limit before vignetting sets in to instead 12mm the limit is 5mm limit on rise or fall or shift depending on what your doing. Now my reasoning was to try and keep the system small with filters plus I can easily slap this on any other lens in my system with just changing the correct mm ring.

    Now I would mostly be doing filters in landscape work which with a lens this wide doing shifts would be rare very early in the morning shooting water movement for instance and more important I still get full tilt which for me being really low to the ground would be normal and this setup would be fine. So in essence I lost 7mm worth of rise/fall or shift. I consider that not too bad a setup. Now if this was a 24mm TSE I would be more concerned about the missing 7mm but with the 24TSE the 100mm works without this MM limitation so I just be just fine when I get that lens. I got the special made adapter ring for the 17 today and just waiting on the rest of the parts. I bought Haida neutral density filters as they are glass with no color shift, Sigma 105mm CPL and the Lee Foundation holder are all on there way.

    The Haida ND filter does have the foam on it but I read somewhere this was causing problems with the big stopper filter from Lee which I'm not buying, Haida has a 3.0 which I'll get next, I bought the 1.8 for now. If anyone has more info on that issue please let me know. Im thinking I may have to trim the foam down. I'll see when I get the holder what's up
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    In hindsight I should have started a whole thread on its use with the A7r as it is this may get lost in time.
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    i'll send you a snap of the wondafilter/150mm on the 17 tomorrow; cartoonish big
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Yea I was a little worried about that.
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Surprised no comments on image quality here. But fair warning with this lens if your kind of sloppy with your gear. Not sure I recommend this lens the front element is out there and you could damage it if your not paying attention. Its big and its heavy but for me this really does not bother me much. I'm after image quality first and foremost, not to mention having the ability with a lens to do a lot of creative shooting. I can't wait to get this in the field for some creative shooting. I know my little town the images are boring but from guy that try's a lot of lenses for me this little town becomes a standard to shoot and helps me a great deal on comparing lenses that I shot before. I have a very good memory on lenses and what they can produce anything outside lenses I can't remember anything. LOL old man disease.

    But this is a very exciting lens and I am hoping the 1.4 extender will work well for now at least until I get the 24TSE. My issues for years have always been wide angles be it MF DSLR type cams or 35 mm FF type shooting they have always been a kludge on corner and border image quality. The only thing out there that is not had been a tech cam and those outstanding lenses from Rodenstock and Schnieder. But that's a very expensive solution and not in everyone's budget or way of shooting. I have never seen any super wide this good in the extreme corners, so yes you need a adapter and its manual focus and its big, delicate and heavy. But to get this type of quality than it's something to consider. I can tell you right out of the gate it's better than my Leica 19R and Zeiss 18 ZF.2 which I regard both those lenses very highly. This thing smokes them by about 2 stops in the corners. That's pretty powerful. But again this takes some care to work with. For me its a exciting challenge which I love to do is challenge myself.
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Here is the scary part they say the 24 TSE Version II is even better.
    I have both, and the resolution of the 24 II on the A7r is absolutely stunning. Even better than the 17.

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Dang that is scary and makes me want it even more.

    Chris on the 17 does this test pretty much follow your experience with it.
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    from this morning; 17mm, 150mm polarizer, max shift, single image, handheld
    this lens sees a lot!

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    above shot merged with a shot to the left in apgiga


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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    another, hand held over a fence at arm's length

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    last one; all have max shift and are handheld with polarizer trying to darken sky


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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Sky looks good John with the CPL
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    the 17mm with 150 polarizer; on my little gitzo
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Having even the hood only would be nice when working in the field .The front element does make me nervous.

    Have not completely ruled this out. Even just shooting interiors with strobes it would be a huge help as a hood from stray light
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    the unit does protect the lens and has a lens cap (shown) it has the potential to apply some leverage to the lens front as it is so large. i did not see any sign of vignetting and used max shift in both directions most are full frame shots; (panos had a bit of trim)

    there is also another Wonderpana eattachment i may pick up tomorrow that will take 6 x 8 rectangular glass filters (size of a mini I-pad!)

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    I was real close on getting it John. I still may as I know it gives full movements. Are you getting the ND as I am curious if it does or does not have any color shift.

    The nice thing also John is the 6x8 glass filters you can use Lee and Formatt Hitech filters but need to look at that for sure to see if they fit correctly
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    I'd do this in a heart beat if I could only find IR filters that were that large! In the end it looks like the Hartblie will work better for me and allow me 2-seperate syatems for it to work on....
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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    Here just a example . They say they are 5.9x5.9 which should fit I would think

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

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    I'd do this in a heart beat if I could only find IR filters that were that large! In the end it looks like the Hartblie will work better for me and allow me 2-seperate syatems for it to work on....
    Yea but the Hartblie is not as wide as this Canon 17mm. Also Don do you think it maybe better IQ wise. I have my doubts honestly.

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    Re: A7R with TSE 17 and 24 color shift question

    for my cambo rig i use the Lee wide angle compendium bellows with a variety of adapters to fit my lenses. polarizer is 105mm B+W and i use Schneider 4mm thick 4" sq glass filters, 4 x 5.6" GND); will figure a way to fit that to the 24mm lens next (looks like an 82mm wide angle Lee adapter would work, but this setup is too small for the 17mm

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